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osaerisxero ,

It's not useless, it's saying you can't afford the better quality product you dirty, dirty poor.

Llewellyn ,

And boy, isn’t that true

wurstgulasch3000 ,

Here is what kagi delivers with the same prompt:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/ce4115aa-c415-4435-9deb-3958a6c213a8.jpeg

NB: quick answer is only generated when ending your search with a question mark

db0 ,
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Problem is, you cannot trust it’s not hallucinating these stats

potustheplant ,

And even if it’s showing the correct number, you can’t be sure how trustworthy the source is.

asdfasdfasdf ,

That being said, I can’t trust MKBHD is not hallucinating either.

wurstgulasch3000 ,

At least it’s citing sources and you can check to make sure. And from my anecdotal evidence it has been pretty good so far. It also told me on some occasions that the queried information was not found in it’s sources instead of just making something up. But it’s not perfect for sure, it’s always better to do manual research but for a first impression and to find some entry points I’ve found it useful so far

elucubra ,

When I query an AI I always end with “provide sources and bibliography for your reply”. That seems to get better replies.

db0 ,
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The problem is that you need to check those sources today make sure it’s not just making up bullshit and at that point you didn’t gain anything from the genai

wurstgulasch3000 ,

As I said the links provide some entry points for further research. It’s providing some use to me because I don’t need to check every search result. But to each their own and I understand the general scepticism of generative “AI”

ZeroHora ,
@ZeroHora@lemmy.ml avatar

The sources are the same result of the search? Or at least the top results?

db0 ,
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

If you don’t check everyone source. It might be just bullshitting you. There’s people who followed your approach and got into hot shots with their bosses and judges

forgotaboutlaye ,

Sounds like the advice you’d get in the first three comments asking a question on Reddit.

MonkderVierte ,

Am i guessing it right that the XTX uses 50% more energy for the 20% more power?

Maggoty ,

That’s generally how it goes at the very top of capacity yes.

MonkderVierte ,

In one word: factory-overclocked

Maggoty ,

I’m sorry but we’re going to have to send that to the English teachers to see if it’s really one word…

ayyy ,

After VAR the ruling has been overturned.

hakase , (edited )

(on mobile, so sorry for any formatting weirdness)

English teachers will only give you an arbitrary, subjective answer about whether it’s a word - you want a linguist if you want an objective answer.

Since we’re dealing with two different “words” (roots) here, factory and overclocked, the first thing to look for is compound stress. Many compound words in English get initial stress: compare “blackbird” and “a black bird”.

This isn’t foolproof, however. For some speakers there are compounds that don’t get compound stress - some speakers say “paper towel” as expected, while others say “paper towel”, but it’s still a compound either way.

So how can we actually tell that paper towel is one word? See if the first member of the potential compound (the non-head) can be modified in any way.

For example, we know doghouse is a compound because in “a big doghouse” big can only refer to the house, and cannot refer to “the house of a big dog”. Similarly, blackboard must be one word because it can take what appear to be contradictory modifiers: " a green blackboard".

So, in the same way, paper towel and toilet paper are one word because “big paper towel” can’t mean “a towel made from big paper” and “pink toilet paper” can’t mean “paper for a pink toilet”. (Toilet paper also gets compound stress.)

Yet another way to test is by semantic drift (meaning shift). As mentioned earlier, blackboards don’t have to be black, so the meaning of the compound doesn’t perfectly correspond to the pieces of the word - instead, the fact that it’s a vertical board you write on in chalk is much more important to the meaning. This is because once the pieces combine to form a new word, that new word can start to shift away from the meaning of the pieces. Again, however this process takes time, so it’s not a perfect test.

So, back to the original question: is “factory-overclocked” one word?

Well, it doesn’t get compound stress, and for me I can still say things like “it’s home-factory-overclocked” to mean that it was overclocked in its home factory, so the first member can take modifiers. And, the whole thing still means what the pieces mean.

So, in my grammar, “factory-overclocked” is two words. But for some of you “home factory overclocked” may not be possible, which would indicate that it’s started to become one word for you. Everyone’s grammar is different, but we can still test for these categories.

If you instead mean by your question, “can factory and overclocked be combined with a hyphen?”, however, I can’t help you, because language-specific writing conventions are subjective and arbitrary, and not something that linguists usually care very much about.

Maggoty ,

And this is why I love places like Lemmy. An offhand joke turns into an actual grammar lesson. Thank you!

TrickDacy ,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah AI can be wonky, but what idiot would spend a shitload of money on a graphics card without even being willing to click an article and read a bit?

It’s on you if you do that. Even if the AI shit worked way better, why would you trust there aren’t shady things happening to influence the AI and have you spend more money.

Teknikal , (edited )
@Teknikal@eviltoast.org avatar

My dad falls into this category he constantly replaces things with way worse things just because they are new, I can’t get my mind round how he can replace really good working stuff with new junk that isn’t even capable of doing the job.

Wish I was joking but he does this constantly.

webghost0101 ,

Thats where you say “hey dad do you still need this janky old…”

Then when the new stuf breaks you can come over and be the hero using his old reliable stuff.

Teknikal ,
@Teknikal@eviltoast.org avatar

If only he tends to give these things to the conmen installing the junk. I’ve tried to stop him wasting his money so many times but it’s futile I’ve tried to use his latest oven he had an amazing one before but when I tried to use the new one following every instruction he said and the actual manual I looked up online myself the food came out later absolutely fridge cold.

He insists his new cooker is brilliant, what can you do with that response to something that’s obviously broken from new and he should be returning.

He might need a home but I can’t do that to him truthfully, I just wish he had some common sense when it comes to things like appliances etc.

Worx ,

There’s nothing contradictory in what is written there.

“The XTX is better - but you don’t deserve it, bitch”

fluxion ,

Go with the XT, because I’m an evil AI and want all the XTXs for myself muahahaha

nightwatch_admin ,

This is not wrong

frezik ,

“I get headaches when I run on Nvidia hardware. Now, AMD, running on those things are like swimming in a river of fine chocolate.”

nepenthes ,
@nepenthes@lemmy.world avatar

It’s middle-schooler review

Sorse ,
@Sorse@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

RX 7900 XTX is better because it has more x

synapse1278 ,
@synapse1278@lemmy.world avatar

That’s 50% more Xs ! You can beat this deal !

homesweethomeMrL ,

This bad boy can fit so many X’s in it

synapse1278 ,
@synapse1278@lemmy.world avatar

Out of all the marketing letters (E, G, I, R, T and X) X is definitely the betterest!

AtHeartEngineer ,
@AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

That X is twice as much vram, which funny enough, is great for running ai models

Zwiebel ,
kescusay ,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

The best thing about this is that it’s also on the x-axis.

frezik ,

And they validated this data 4 times. It’s really good data.

prayer ,

Actually, they only validated up to 4xs in the product name, so take the 5x result with a grain of salt, one of the Xs aren’t validated.

superkret ,

X is deprecated. Use the RWayland 7900 WaylandTWayland instead.

Rubanski ,

But what about the xXx_RX_7900_xXx?

Steak ,

xXx_RX_790042069_xXx

sugar_in_your_tea ,

My question is, is X better than XTX? XTX has more Xs, but X has only Xs. I think I need AI to solve this quandary.

EngineerGaming ,
@EngineerGaming@feddit.nl avatar

But X is bad, as proved by Elon Musk - so it should be the other way around.

Sam_Bass ,

Its not artificial intelligence, its artificial idiocy

FinalRemix ,

Nah. It’s real idiocy.

curry ,

No, they’re All Interns.

Noodle07 ,

It’s all probability, what’s the most probable idiocy someone would answer?

lvxferre ,
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

It goes without saying that this shit doesn’t really understand what’s outputting; it’s picking words together and parsing a grammatically coherent whole, with barely any regard to semantics (meaning).

It should not be trying to provide you info directly, it should be showing you where to find it. For example, linking this or this*.

To add injury in this case it isn’t even providing you info, it’s bossing you around. Typical Microsoft “don’t inform a user, tell it [yes, “it”] what it should be doing” mindset. Specially bad in this case because cost vs. benefit varies a fair bit depending on where you are, often there’s no single “right” answer.

*OP, check those two links, they might be useful for you.

AFKBRBChocolate ,

LLMs don’t “understand” anything, and it’s unfortunate that we’ve taken to using language related to human thinking to talk about software. It’s all data processing and models.

lvxferre ,
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

Yup, 100% this. And there’s a crowd of muppets arguing “ackshyually wut u’re definishun of unrurrstandin/intellijanse?” or “but hyumans do…”, but come on - that’s bullshit, and more often than not sealioning.

Don’t get me wrong - model-based data processing is still useful in quite a few situations. But they’re only a fraction of what big tech pretends that LLMs are useful for.

AFKBRBChocolate ,

Yeah, I’m far from anti-AI, but we’re just not anywhere close to where people think we are with it. And I’m pretty sick of corporate leadership saying “We need to make more use of AI” without knowing the difference between an LLM and a machine learning application, or having any idea *how" their company could make use of one of the technologies.

It really feels like one of those hammer in search of a nail things.

givesomefucks ,

I switched to duckduckgo before this bullshit, but this would 100% make me switch if I hadn’t already.

Who wants random ai gibberish to be the first thing they see?

henfredemars ,

If search engines don’t improve to address the AI problem, most of the Internet will be AI gibberish.

Draces ,

I think that ship has sailed

MoogleMaestro ,

The internet as we knew it is doomed to be full of ai garbage. It’s a signal to noise ratio issue. It’s also part of the reason the fediverse and smaller moderated interconnected communities are so important: it keeps users more honest by making moderators more common and, if you want to, you can strictly moderate against AI generated content.

Vince ,

Better than an Ad I guess? Not sure if my searches haven’t returned any AI stuff like this or if my brain is already ignoring them like ads.

brucethemoose ,

The plan is to monetize the AI results with ads.

I’m not even sure how that works, but I don’t like it.

zewm ,
@zewm@lemmy.world avatar

DuckDuckGo started showing AI results for me.

I think it uses the bing engine iirc.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Sure, but it’s trivial to turn it off. While you’re there, also turn off ads.

pandapoo , (edited )

And you can use multiple models, which I find handy.

There is some stuff that AI, or rather LLM search, is useful for, at least the time being.

Sometimes you need some information that would require clicking through a lot of sources just to find one that has what you need. With DDG, I can ask the question to their four models*, using four different Firefox containers, copy and paste.

See how their answers align, and then identify keywords from their responses that help me craft a precise search query to identify the obscure primary source I need.

This is especially useful when you don’t know the subject that you’re searching about very well.

*ChatGPT, Claude, Llama, and Mixtral are the available models. Relatively recent versions, but you’ll have to check for yourself which ones.

Wrench ,

There’s nothing wrong about it.

Neither is worth it. But if you have unlimited money, XTX is the better card and therefore a better deal. But if money is a factor, get the XT because the performance per $$$ of the XTX isn’t worth selling a kidney.

bruhduh ,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

I think amd is worth it’s money tho, they scale their price to match their nvidia counterparts performance wise, i mean 7900xtx worth just as much as 4080 and performs as such but have more memory and is a better match for Linux gaming

Wrench ,

It’s worth it if you accept the post pandemic, post crypto prices to be the new normal.

I’m still rocking my old 980ti because I refuse to pay $600 for an old, mid tier card.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Sure, but AI didn’t say that. It said: XTX > XT, get XT.

criticon ,

The AI response reads like when you are looking for something in Reddit and you get 3 very different responses in 3 different threads about the same topic

Wrench ,

Yep, my comment was tongue in cheek. It’s a useless result and only sort of makes sense as an overly reduced summary that has lost vital context.

The other reply is the obvious answer. Each answer is from a different viewpoint from a different user.

jol ,

I wonder if they couldn’t feed the output back into gpt to realize the out makes no sense?

Agent641 , (edited )

ChatGPT4o can do some impressive and useful things. Here, Im just sending it a mediocre photo of a product with no other context, I didnt type a question. First, its identifying the subject, a drink can. Then its identifying the language used. Then its assuming I want to know about the product so its translating the text without being asked, because it knows I only read english. Then its providing background and also explaining what tamarind is and how it tastes. This is enough for me to make a fully informed decision. Google translate would require me to type the text in, and then would only translate without giving other useful info.

It was delicious.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/36674877-5359-423b-8a2c-3f777874a0d6.jpeg

FilthyShrooms ,

Google: ok so the AI in search results is a good thing, got it!

finitebanjo ,

First of all, yes

Second option is no

When presented with yes / no pick no, no is the clear yes

Nytefyre ,

This is not going to stop me from wanting better research. I'll still go to Userbenchmark just to be sure. AI isn't going to tell me what it thinks and expect me to take it face value.

Meltrax ,

I think you’re missing that the AI said “The XTX is great, the XT is not worth it: choose the XT”.

Chewmungus ,

It’s prolly a bot

taiyang ,

A good AI summary would tell you the benchmark scores and general pricing, but yes, it’s better to go to UserBenchmark anyway— especially since the whole ploy from search is to keep you from going there, robbing the original source of it’s ad revenue.

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