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Facebones ,

I’m going to start pirating again and if I ever get caught up I’ll just inform them I’m training AI models.

FLP22012005 ,

Just training Natural Intelligence…

whyalone ,

Yeah, but you are not rich, so you will suffer the consequences

pyre ,

oh good. then fuck off. who knew copyright law would eventually be the good guy in a story.

xelar ,

Unregulated areas lead to these type of business practices where the people will squeeze out the juices of these opportunities. The cost of these activities will be passed on the taxpayers.

endofline ,

Good artists copy, great artists steal. If I think even Steve Jobs mentioned having in mind their visit in Xerox Parc research lab

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

Now now, I am sure what he meant was they can’t make enough profit to bring billions for its shareholders

Lucidlethargy ,

Fuck OpenAI. I hope they fail.

TheReturnOfPEB ,

so this is just like napster except now I don’t get to listen either ?

blackfire ,

You can if you pay them for the pirated material.

RagingRobot ,

Also you make the content

EarthShipTechIntern ,

If it can’t figure out how to produce its own power, it’s not doing anything but parasitism.

More Market control doesn’t make us a healthier or better planet

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

It’s parasitism if it’s for their own benefit only.

Now, if openAI actually opened their AI (weights and models, not just access) then maybe the argument would be stronger.

kn0wmad1c ,
@kn0wmad1c@programming.dev avatar

Cool. If OpenAI gets a pass, then piracy should be legal, right? I mean what good is a trademark or copyright law?

Edit: “I can’t make money without stealing other people’s work” is definitely a take

IphtashuFitz ,

No, see, piracy is just you downloading movies for yourself. To be like OpenAI you need to download it, put it in a pretty package with a bow, then sell it over and over again. Only when it’s piracy for profit do you get to beg and plead for a pass.

chonglibloodsport ,

You skipped a crucial step: first you gotta raise a few hundred million in VC funding from Silicon Valley bigwigs!

bamfic ,

For profit that you can kick back a chunk of as campaign donations

Frozengyro ,

But I’m an aspiring artist, without pirating thousands of movies and TV shows, I’ll never make my ‘highly profitable’ magnum opus!

xavier666 ,

“I can’t be at financial peace if I have to pay for every movie I want to watch”

dyathinkhesaurus ,

You’re not repackaging and selling it on for profit tho. That’s different and thus illegal because reasons

headset ,

Sam Altman has the same creepy vibe as Elon Musk.

filister ,

Copyright regulations for thee but not for me

magnetosphere ,
@magnetosphere@fedia.io avatar

In every other circumstance I can think of, “I can’t make money doing a thing unless I break the law” means don’t do that thing.

Why should AI get special treatment?

rothaine ,

Because they already raised hundreds of millions from investors

100_kg_90_de_belin ,

Because black numbers going up make shareholders happy

Hackworth ,

The more the original work is transformed, the more likely it is to be considered fair use rather than infringement.

Nurgle ,

Well in almost every other circumstance, you’re forgetting Uber and Airbnb.

solomon42069 ,

Ah yes, the original unviable silicon valley businesses! I love how they used their VC money to undercut and kill small businesses all over the world.

slaacaa ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b2f00f71-3202-46aa-aae4-1ea4c4597382.jpeg

rottingleaf ,

Now about that fake money for criminals - it was quite useful for me when I needed to send money to my sister, with me being in Russia and her being outside, and it was year 2022. Also with the way ruble sank after the war, buying BTC hours after seeing news of it starting was probably a bargain. Would be twice as expensive the next day.

I haven’t used Uber (Yandex Taxi) and Airbnb (asocial type and have responsibilities), and I agree about the plagiarism machine.

meliodas_101 ,

What kind of a pathetic statement is that ?

MyOpinion ,

Then it sounds like your business is a failure and should be shutdown.

Lost_My_Mind ,

WHO is the one guy who downvotes you???

“NO! UNPROFITABLE BUSINESSES DESERVE TO THRIVE!!! MUST FEED THE BILLIONAIRES!!!”

Maybe OpenAI learned to downvote…

Buelldozer ,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

WHO is the one guy who downvotes you???

That’s the bot that ChatGPT operates here on Lemmy.

masterspace , (edited )

Lol how about every pirate who fundamentally opposes the copyright system?

How about everyone who uses Google and doesn’t want to see it shut down for scraping copyrighted content to provide a search engine?

Seriously, explain to me what’s different at a fundamental level about OpenAI scraping the web and transforming the data through an LLM and Google scraping the web and transforming the data through their algorithms (which include LLMs)?

running_ragged ,

Google (used to) scrapes the specific details authorized by robots.txt and uses it to make your content visible.

OpenAI scrapes everything it can technically see, ignoring robots.txt and feeds i to a black box and regurgitates it claiming it’s something new, that it deserves to be paid for.

Quite different actually.

masterspace ,

So if OpenAI complies with Robots.txt files then there’s no issue right?

Because then they’re identical. Open AI spent a bunch of money building a powerful system they feed those results to, as did Google.

_bcron , (edited )

No, the issue is that anything AI creates is by definition derivative. Google doesn’t whip up generative content, it points you to content.

OpenAI is claiming that they can’t do shit without scraping copyrighted works and we all know that’s a load of BS because we’re adrift in a sea of royalty-free text. Critical mass happened well over a decade ago. The amount of new random crap hosted on the internet in the past 30 days would probably take 500 years for one person to digest. Bear at a stream watching an impossibly large amount of salmon jumping

masterspace ,

Literally every page Google shows you, where it also shows you those ads it makes money from, is Google’s content and it is derived from the data it gets scraping the web.

grue ,

What the fuck are you even talking about? Making a list of website identifiers (names and URLs) so that people can go to them isn’t even slightly the same as making a derived work of the websites’ contents.

masterspace ,

That is not how Google operates.

breadsmasher ,
@breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

ok thanks google ceo. please explain

masterspace ,

Google has to scrape and process the entire webpage and analyze the content to figure out which links to provide you. The end result of them presenting you with those links is from them copying and processing all your site’s data, including when you aren’t listed in the search results.

_bcron ,

No, anything Google shows you is kosher and totally symbiotic. A website being shown on Google is at the site owner’s discretion - if they allow search engines to crawl they get the benefit of exposure, and the search engine gets the benefit of having relevant hits and ad revenue and all that. Most sites want click-throughs so it’s usually in their best interest to let search engines list their sites.

Google isn’t exploiting anyone, kinda the opposite, since site owners don’t pay for any ads or exposure (but that exposure has so much value that they’ll pay for SEO). Site owners can decline and Google abides. Anything on Google is on Google with consent.

Zarxrax ,

Actually Google tries their hardest NOT to point you to content. They scrape the data from sites and display it directly in the search results so that you don’t need to visit any site except Google. Their new AI answers that they are pushing on users are just another step in that direction.

Z3k3 ,

Which is why Google is no longer my default browser. I’d be quite happy if it reverted Back to don’t be evil or just ceased ro exist

solarvector ,

Web search used to be about scraping the web to find and present other people’s work as just that… their work. Now the handful of websites claim ownership of the contributions of everyone, and at this point it’s just corporations arguing about who owns your stuff. Pirates will not win out in this argument, except maybe in the very short term.

muntedcrocodile ,
@muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee avatar

I dont see why why being downvoted you make some very good points.

Id actually like to see google shut down on copyright grounds. The innovation of necessity would drive foss search alternatives that just ignore said restrictions and most likly we would end up with a better product.

masterspace ,

I appreciate the defense of the blind downvotes, though I can’t say I necessarily see how Foss search engines would even be allowed to exist in that case?

muntedcrocodile ,
@muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee avatar

There is a difference between allowed and what people do. Piracy isnt allowed u can still pirate literally anything if u want to tho.

masterspace ,

You’d probably end up back with AI at that point. A lot easier to distribute a trained model then an entire web index.

muntedcrocodile ,
@muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee avatar

Yep but at least the weights would be free

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

Search engines provide source, they scrap for indexing, but your search gives a list of websites that matches that you will then likely visit. That’s a big fundamental difference.

Boozilla ,
@Boozilla@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve seen threads where every single comment, no matter how anodyne, has 1 downvote. Don’t bother yourself over it. That way lies madness.

Orbituary ,
@Orbituary@lemmy.world avatar

Downvoting for the use of an uncommon word.

Lost_My_Mind , (edited )

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Edit: 10 people here didn’t grow up with Mary Poppins…

Mozingo ,
@Mozingo@lemmy.world avatar

Lmao the down votes on this are really funny to me

teft ,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

What I get a kick out of is the down and upvotes mean basically nothing and yet people still get super sensitive about them. They only move your comment up or down the thread. It’s not like reddit where there is a karma count for all your posts and comments. Hell you don’t even get auto hidden like the way reddit would do. You just get downvoted.

Some people downvote to show disapproval. Others downvote if the comment doesn’t add to the conversation. Still others are just trolling. No one should worry about the downvotes.

Lost_My_Mind ,

See I look at it differently.

An upvote means:

You’re the coolest person that’s ever lived, and I’m desperate for you to put your baby in me, even if that’s not biologically possible! You should be supreme ultimate being of the universe, and all shall cherish your existence until the end of time!

And a downvote means:

You sack of shit! You human garbage! Nobody loves you. Everyone hates you. The world has a better time when you’re not around, you waste of human skin! Your parents should have used a condom, and the world regrets they didn’t every day. Go live under a bridge, homeless, dirty, and alone, you genetic waste of space.

casmael ,

Just imagine baron bomburst and the child catcher furiously downvoting this comment lol

Poppa_Mo ,

You spelled it wrong you brick.

thanks_shakey_snake ,

Sound was quite atrocious, downvoted 👎

can ,

It’s also really easy to mis-swipe on a comment on some apps.

bobs_monkey ,

Some people also suck

jabathekek ,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

anodyne

anodyne /ăn′ə-dīn″/ adjective

  1. Capable of soothing or eliminating pain.
  2. Relaxing. "anodyne novels about country life."
  3. Serving to assuage pain; soothing.

tanks fer noo werd dae fren

saltesc ,

I always figure it’s someone whose life has become so pathetic, they bitterly downvote every single comment to try feel some control. And as a result, they feel like the Phantom of the Socials. Alone, but the true master of the place.

“Everyone must wonder, ‘Who keeps downvoting us?’ It is I! The true Master of Lemmy and- No, mother!.. Yes, mother!.. I tried but nobody wants to talk to me!.. I don’t want to!.. Yeah, she’s cute!.. I don’t want you to do that!.. Mother put the phone down!”

can ,

Ask an mbin user lol

Lost_My_Mind ,

I’m unclear on context. Are you saying Mbin users can see who upvotes/downvotes?

mp3 ,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

Votes aren’t private on the fediverse, it’s just a that some interfaces won’t display them. Also, instance admins can see who voted too.

But like @Boozilla said

Don’t bother yourself over it. That way lies madness.

It mainly useful for admins to detect if there is some vote manipulation going on.

paraphrand ,

The guy who wants their AI girlfriend yesterday.

AbidanYre ,

There are some hardcore “copyright shouldn’t exist” folks out there.

norimee ,

Sam Altman lurking around…

rsuri ,

To steel man the downvoters, maybe there are other solutions besides killing off every business that can’t afford to comply with copyright. After all, isn’t the whole point of copyright to enable the capitalist exploitation of information?

avidamoeba ,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

If not, The Pirate Bay would like a word.

Kowowow ,

I’d love to see how scared some big companies would be if we could decriminalize piracy

Petter1 ,

I can not up or downvote this (it shows a score of 420 right now 😂)

subtext ,

Written January of this year

JAN 8, 2:29 PM EST

paraphrand ,

they’ve played us for absolute fools

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