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NeoNachtwaechter ,

The company has cautioned that cars equipped with the system cannot actually drive themselves and that motorists must be ready at all times to intervene if necessary.

This describes a level 2 system…

And in less than two months, the company is scheduled to unveil a vehicle built expressly to be a robotaxi.

…but this would require a level 4 system.

“It’s not even close, and it’s not going to be next year,” said Michael Brooks, executive director of the Center for Auto Safety.

And so I tend to agree, fully.

Ilovethebomb ,

This will be the reason Tesla falls behind the rest of the automotive industry, wasting money on vanity projects instead of developing better vehicles.

The 3, Y, and the huge number of Chinese EVs being sold around the world have shown there is a huge market for affordable, practical electric vehicles, and what are they developing? A vehicle that won’t be able to fulfill it’s intended role for a decade almost everywhere.

Peter1986C ,
@Peter1986C@lemmings.world avatar

When I see EVs (southern Netherlands) they are mostly model S or non-Teslas from mostly VW. Autonomous vehicles aren’t even allowed here AFAIK.

Edit: I am agreeing with you, for clarity’s sake.

harrybo93 ,
@harrybo93@lemmy.world avatar

Questions are growing? Haven’t they been out already for fucking years??

dan1101 ,

Tesla keeps promising things are fixed in the next update, then the next update, and so on. I don’t think Tealas have the proper sensors to avoid collisions and their algorithms don’t think like an attentive driver does.

endofline ,

Everybody knows that tesla sacrificed lidar sensors with cameras because it was cheaper. Yes, lidar can do it easily

ContrarianTrail ,

It’s not seeing that’s the problem. It’s what to do with the information about what you see.

chakan2 ,
@chakan2@lemmy.world avatar

It’s both. Imagine being half blind flying a jet and you don’t understand what the instruments do.

That’s a typical Tesla engineer these days. (He’s fired the whole team at least twice now. The guys that are left are the most inept I desperately need a job engineers out there).

Passerby6497 ,

Yes growing. They were birthed years ago, and Elon has done his best to nurture them so they grow big and strong

istanbullu ,

It’s not safe

ContrarianTrail ,

Humans are not safe. 40k of them get killed in vehicle accidents every year in the US alone. Self driving doesn’t need to be flawless. It only needs to be safer. If perfection is the only thing we’ll settle for then that’ll cost us hundreds of thousands, if not millions of more lives untill we get there.

If we replaced every vehicle on US roads with self driving cars that were twice as safe of an driver as average human is, there would still be 50 deaths every single day. That’s 50 daily news articles on Lemmy about how “not safe” self driving cars are despite them saving additional 20k lives every year.

istanbullu ,

There is no independently verified data that shows Tesla self driving is actually better than humans.

ContrarianTrail ,

I never claimed it is.

zero_spelled_with_an_ecks ,

Let us know when it even gets to half as good as a human.

ContrarianTrail ,

About a year ago probably. Humans suck at driving so that’s a low bar to reach.

zero_spelled_with_an_ecks ,

Citation desired.

sunzu2 ,

Is the self driving in the room with us right now?

667 ,
@667@lemmy.radio avatar

Shhhh! I accidentally opened this thread while my phone was connected and EVERYTHING IS FINE RECALCULATING ROUTE.

gimmemahlulz ,
@gimmemahlulz@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Honestly there’s so much shit about Tesla’s software on the Internet. I own a model y with “FSD” and I can confidently say that the current version (12.5.3) is a 90% solution. Is it perfect? No. Can it do everything? No. Can it drive me to work and back, to the grocery store, and whatever else I need without me intervening? Yes it can, and has no issues 90% of the time. Obviously for it to be considered level 5 or whatever it needs to work 99.999% of the time, but it’s good enough right now for me to not only use it regularly, but to also enjoy using it.

It’s an awesome piece of software and it still blows my mind to watch my car drive me around. We are living in the future.

Bell ,
@Bell@lemmy.world avatar

Same. I love my FSD and I’ve watched it go from 80% a few years ago to around 95% now.

SoleInvictus ,

I recently rode in a Tesla on FSD for over 26 hours of freeway travel. It was flawless the entire time.

On city streets? 90% was about right. It once took too sharp of a turn at a double right turn and spooked the driver next to us (although it didn’t cross into their lane, just got close), and another time decided to only change lanes halfway into the left turn lane.

I agree that it needs to be near 100% on city streets before it’s ready for launch because that 10% difference is HUGE when it comes to safety. If their “level 5” taxi isn’t using some vastly improved software, it needs to be kept off the street.

ContrarianTrail ,

To every even slightly educated person on the matter it’s immediately obvious that the majority of people commenting on these threads don’t have up-to-date information about how far FSD has come and their opinions are based on how bad it used to be and / or how bad they wish it was.

Everyone is free to go to YouTube and watch videos of people intentionally pushing the limits of this system. Like you said; it’s not flawless, but damn it’s good.

breadsmasher ,
@breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

but guyz musko said tesla is an ai company now

/s

nivenkos ,

At least they have it. It’s incredible to see videos of the FSD on highways, and Waymo robot taxis in the USA.

I wish we had technology in Europe.

NeoNachtwaechter ,

I wish we had technology in Europe.

European cars are better. They just leave away the bragging.

paf0 ,

YouTube videos of FSD make it seem way better than it used to be (if they’re real) and it’s surprising that no one was paying attention until now.

Buffalox ,

I suppose the ones where people die are never uploadet.
But other than that, feel free to judge on anecdotal data.

Joelk111 ,

There was an story a while back where it was discovered that Tesla focuses their efforts on the routes taken by creators (and other influencial people), to intentionally make self driving look better than it is.

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