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AlphaOmega ,

Welcome to 2010

cmnybo ,

Considering that RAM is shared with the GPU, it’s still not enough.

floofloof ,

It’s OK - for an extra $400 they’ll sell you one with an extra $50 worth of RAM.

JohnDClay ,

It doesn’t even cost that for them.

scottmeme ,

$800 for $30 of ram

PoopMonster ,

“yeah but that’s like having 32GB on a lame PC”

Pantsofmagic ,

It’s really sad that this needs to be an actual headline.

eager_eagle ,
@eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

for the same price other laptops sell for 64GB

what a bargain

mechoman444 ,

Oooo a whole 16 gigs! It can run Firefox with more than four tabs open!

Nomecks ,

Golly, thanks Apple. It’s not like I can go buy a 256GB DIMM right now. 16GB what a joke.

Omgboom ,

Linux requirements: CPU (optional)

potentiallynotfelix ,

And it probably won’t be able to be upgraded by the user, which should be the bare minimum.

forgotaboutlaye ,

I know it’s not a like for like comparison, but the Pixel 9 Pro that launched this month has 16gb of RAM.

stoy ,

I remember back in the early 2000s when I saw a PDA with a 232mhz cpu and 64mb ram, and I realized how far technology had come since I got my computer with a 233mhz cpu and 64mb ram…

Obviously different architechtures, but damn that felt strange…

narc0tic_bird ,

Yup, while the current iPhone 15 Pro is the only model which has 8 GB of RAM, with the regular iPhone 15 having 6 GB. All iPhone 16 models (launching next month) will still only have 8 GB according to rumors, which happens to be the bare minimum required to run Apple Intelligence.

Giving the new models only 8 GB seems a bit shortsighted and will likely mean that more complex AI models in future iOS versions won’t run on these devices. It could also mean that these devices won’t be able to keep a lot of apps ready in the background if running an AI model in-between.

16 GB is proper future-proofing on Google’s part (unless they lock new software features behind newer models anyway down the road), and Apple will likely only gradually increase memory on their devices.

filister ,

Pretty much what NVIDIA is doing with their GPUs. Refusing to provide adequate future proof amount of VRAM on their cards. That’s planned obsolescence in action.

tankplanker ,

If you were being cynical, you could say it was planned obsolescence and that when the new ai feature set rolls out that you have to get the new phone for them.

daddy32 ,

…in 2030.

masterspace ,

Let me know how many multiple thousands of dollars it’s going to cost for a MAX variant of the chip that can run three external monitors like it’s 2008.

SteveFromMySpace ,

Wasn’t that only the M1 specifically that lacked that feature?

Not saying it was acceptable but pretty sure all chips after have supported 3+ monitors

carleeno ,

My last job issued me an M2 air that could only power 1 external monitor. Was annoying as hell.

masterspace , (edited )

Nope. All base Mx Series Macs can only support a single external monitor in addition to their internal one.

Pro Series are professional enough that Apple deems your work worthy of using two (2) external monitors.

Max Series are the only ones that have proved their Maximum enough to Apple to let them use 3 monitors.

It’s honestly absurd. And none of them support Display Port’s alt mode so they can’t daisy chain between monitors and they max out at 3, whereas an equivalent Windows or Linux machine could do 6 over the same Thunderbolt 3 connection.

Windows and Linux machines also support sub pixel text rendering, so text looks far better on 1080p and 1440p monitors.

I have to use MacOS for work and while I’ve come to accept many parts and even like some, their external monitor support is just mind numbingly bad.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

I guess you could get an eGPU. Probably not cheaper than just giving Apple their pound of flesh, though.

brbposting ,

sub pixel text rendering, so text looks far better on 1080p and 1440p monitors.

Why would you need that? Buy an Ultra Pro Retina Max Display and please get the stand if you don’t want Apple to go out of business.

narc0tic_bird ,

What you’re describing as “DisplayPort alt mode” is DisplayPort Multi-Stream Transport (MST). Alt mode is the ability to pass native DisplayPort stream(s) via USB-C, which all M chip Macs are capable of. MST is indeed unsupported by M chip hardware, and it’s not supported in macOS either way - even the Intel Macs don’t support it even though the hardware is capable of it.

MST is nice for a dual WQHD setup or something (or dual UHD@60 with DisplayPort 1.4), but attempt to drive multiple (very) high resolution and refresh rate displays and you’ll be starved for bandwidth very quickly. Daisy-chaining 6 displays might technically be possible with MST, but each of them would need to be set to a fairly low resolution for today’s standards. Macs that support more than one external display can support two independent/full DisplayPort 1.4 signals per Thunderbolt port (as per the Thunderbolt 4 spec), so with a proper Thunderbolt hub you can connect two high resolution displays via one port no problem.

I agree that even base M chips should support at least 3 simultaneous displays (one internal and two external, or 3 external in clamshell mode), and they should add MST support for the convenience to be able to connect to USB-C hubs using MST with two (lower-resolution) monitors, and support proper sub-pixel font anti-aliasing on these low-DPI displays (which macOS was perfectly capable of in the past, but they removed it). Just for the convenience of being able to use any random hub you stumble across and it “just works”, not because it’s necessarily ideal.

But your comparison is blown way out of proportion. “Max” Macs support the internal display at full resolution and refresh rate (120 Hz), 3 external 6K 60Hz displays and an additional display via HDMI (4K 144 Hz on recent models). Whatever bandwidth is left per display when daisy-chaining 6 displays to a single Thunderbolt port on a Windows machine, it won’t be anywhere near enough to drive all of them at these resolutions.

Toes ,

Why are apple products always so anemic on memory?

Munkisquisher ,

Greed, it lowers the advertised price, but once you spec it decently you’ve added a grand in extras

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Price discrimination based on memory loadout is real, but it’s not specific to Apple, either.

luves2spooge ,

Because there are two types of mac users:

  • People that ate buying them with their own money because they’re trendy and just using them as glorified Internet browsers. 16gb is plenty.
  • People using them professionally so their company is paying and Apple can over charge for the necessary memory upgrade
aStonedSanta ,

I have an m2 8 gb. And it’s plenty. It’s just a browsing/discord/stream box basically.

nicepool ,

Isn’t Apple the company that charges $5k+ for 16GB? All while intentionally deprecating the hardware within 2 years. /s

I’ve had to support their products on a professional level for over a decade. I will NEVER buy an Apple product.

cm0002 ,

I’ve had to support their products on a professional level for over a decade.

Their enterprise stuff…can only be described as a quintessential example of an ill-conceived, horrendously executed fiasco, so utterly devoid of utility and coherence that it defies all logic and reasonable expectation. It stands as a paragon of dysfunction, a conflagration of conceptual failures so intense and egregious that it resembles a blazing inferno of pure, unadulterated refuse. It is, in every conceivable sense, a searing, molten heap of garbage—hot, steaming, and reeking with the unmistakable stench of profound ineptitude and sheer impracticality.

Lenis_78 ,

That was…. poetry!

reddig33 ,

“640k ought to be enough for anyone.”

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

i could run wing commander 2, ultima underworld, and lands of lore. who needs any more?

tal , (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

EMACS: Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping

henfredemars ,

It’s amazing that with transparent huge pages in Linux I can have memory pages bigger than that entire 640k.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

My CPU’s L1 cache is larger than that 640K system’s main memory.

M500 ,

It’s because AI needs a not a ram. I think Apple did not expect or plan for ai which shows in the fact that only the latest pro phone can have Apple intelligence. It’s because that phone has enough ram.

Now they will boost ram across the board because Apple intelligence will not run well without it.

Depending on pricing, I may actually buy a MacBook in 2025.

I’ve wanted one since the m1, but I’ve held out until 16gb was the starting amount of ram.

cm0002 ,

Or you could just get just about any other non-mac system that lets you upgrade RAM easily when you need too…

Just stop supporting Apples soldered in BS

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