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Sewer_King ,

People probably aren’t enthused about buying an overpriced tv, fridge, washer, or phone that all come with bloatware and adware.

KneeTitts ,
@KneeTitts@lemmy.world avatar

I might buy a fridge from them if they could make one that lasted more than 10 seconds after the warranty was up.

Sewer_King ,

I’m also in that zone of being in the market for things that Samsung sells, but to me, the brand association is with having all of these issues that don’t seem very worth it to me. I just want something affordable and reliable, things that I don’t associate with Samsung.

Saneless ,

What

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you

talking

about

KillSwitch10 ,

A lot of people here clearly don’t understand how large of a company Samsung is, and what all they sell.

fleetw16 ,

Lol everyone commenting it’s because THEY don’t want to buy a new phone. Samsung supplies screens, electronic internals for other companies, and a fuck ton of appliances. They don’t only make phones…

Corkyskog ,
@Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works avatar

I was just in a vacation rental looking at a Samsung mini-split AC and wondering if it was good or not haha.

ramjambamalam ,

Their washing machines and dryers aren’t great compared to LG, so I would be suspicious of their ACs.

Hyperi0n ,

Samsung and LG are both garbage when it comes to washers, dryers and the worst for refrigerators.

ramjambamalam ,

What do you mean? Consumer Reports ranks LG dryers as the best, so much that you the next best dryer that isn’t an LG is a Samsung in 21st place.

Of CR recommended dryers, 11/11 electric dryers are LG and 20/25 gas dryers are LG.

www.consumerreports.org/products/…/view2/ (requires a subscription)

Where do you get your data from?

Hyperi0n ,

Consumer Reports isn’t a valid source. They have paid reports.

Speed Queen is the top brand in washers and dryers.

LG dryers do not last past their warranty for very long. Anyone who’s owned an LG can tell you that as with appliance repair companies.

LG and Samsung are very poor.

ramjambamalam ,

Consumer Reports isn’t a valid source. They have paid reports

Do you have a source for that? That would be a pretty big deal considering they’re a non-profit that claims to accept no samples and no advertising.

Hyperi0n ,

PeTA claims is doesn’t fund terrorism. Yet they do. They were blacklisted from Walmart donations when I worked there for that sole reason.

ramjambamalam , (edited )

Do you have a source for Consumer Reports having sponsored reports or not?

Are you referring to the $375,000 grant from the Climate Imperative Foundation to sponsor a report (with disclosure) on the impact of gas stoves on indoor air quality? That’s the only instance I’ve been able to find in my searches on the subject.

If that’s what you’re referring to, are you suggesting that because CR once took a single payment to sponsor an article on gas stoves, that their reviews of washing machines are biased by sponsorship, even though they disclosed the former and haven’t disclosed the latter?

Hyperi0n ,

Cumsumer Reports is UserBenchmark of appliances.

balder1991 ,

Yet the article says Samsung attributes that to the phones market?

Samsung attributes this loss in profit to the decline in smartphone shipments due to “high interest rates and inflation.”

Something else that doesn’t seem to bode well is the fact that Samsung believes the boost that came from the launch of the Galaxy S23 series has faded.

And expects a comeback because it’s launching new models…

The manufacturer highlights the launch of the Galaxy Z Flip 5 and Galaxy Z Fold 5. It also believes that the smartphone market will make a return.

This seems to indicate that most variable profit comes from the smartphones market.

marmo7ade ,

They don’t make OLED TVs. LG supplies samsung with the OLED panels for their TVs.

For everything samsung does, they can’t do the hard things. They can’t make OLED panels, they can’t make SoCs like Apple, and they can’t make software like Google.

Samsung does a ton of things…mid. That’s why they supply so many parts. Because the really difficult and innovative things are done by the people they sell parts to.

Saneless ,

They do SoCs. Just no one uses them. Not even Samsung

CADmonkey ,

Because more and more people are using their phones until they quit. Who needs a folding phone?

eran_morad ,

yeah bruh, i have zero interest in a foldable phone or whatever the fuck.

answersplease77 ,

95% is huge. They been releasing too many models and their new phones are too expensive for me. they should follow apple and only release one every year

WigglingWalrus ,
@WigglingWalrus@feddit.uk avatar

They make far more than just phones…

garlic ,

From the article, “Samsung blames the decline in smartphone shipments for its financial troubles.”

KneeTitts , (edited )
@KneeTitts@lemmy.world avatar

yes they also make crappy fridges which are 100% disposable because the compressor dies 10 seconds after the warranty is up, filling up out landfills with perfectly good appliances that could have stayed in place in working condition if they just spent 5% more on better compressors for them. But no.

salient_one ,
@salient_one@lemmy.villa-straylight.social avatar

The chairman of Samsung is a convicted criminal, by the way. Pardoned by the totally not corrupt president. Apparently he’s such a genius that laws don’t apply to him.

EssentialCoffee ,

Not surprising. I’d expect something similar to happen to anyone at the top of any of the chaebols.

itsmaxyd ,

no surprise

JohnOnABuffalo ,

Fuck Samsung, I’ve had the worst experiences in all of tech with their support system. I had a bad ram module on my s22 and even used the Samsung Support app and had a tech point it out to me. Sent it in and apparently the repair center can’t see those notes that the support dev had written. It took 3 tries and countless calls to support, and eventually got in contact with the office of the CEO, and they basically admitted their backend support is so fractured that someone with phone in hand can’t see any notes any other tech had written. They then decided to give me a refund, which was for less than the receipt, and after fighting for another MONTH to get them to give me the correct funds, they finally sent it to me. 3 months in total. Fuck Samsung.

AdamSmasher ,

The CEO directly handles support?

JohnOnABuffalo ,

It’s a gimmick I think, it’s called The Office of The CEO. It’s basically just customer support that actually can do things I guess. You can get to it through the Samsung website. It’s truly the only way to get anything done, but you basically have to send a super bitchy email to get them to respond. www.samsung.com/us/support/…/email-the-ceo/

LazaroFilm ,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

Good. Fuck Samsung.

p000l ,

I don’t even want to buy a new phone. It’s been more than four years. What great productive work are most people doing on them anyway?

Pistcow ,

I’d buy a new phone if they fucking offered a flat oled screen. This rounded edges is complete bullshit.

DangleBerry ,

The S20fe 5g is flat and has OLED. The flat screen is the reason I bought it. Still running as well as day one three years later. I have noticed a slight dip in battery life lately but I can get through a whole day with maybe 35% left. When this one dies, I will probably get another.

Pistcow ,

I have the S22 Ultra and it all started with the shitty S7 which I got after my Note 3 died. Also, the S22 Uktra has a worse camera than my Note 8. They made this camera for selfies and anything other than a selfie comes out blurry

Justas ,
@Justas@sh.itjust.works avatar

You could always get one of those phones with buttons for under 50$

13esq ,

Yep. I run my phones in to the ground and when it’s time to replace it I’ll get one of the cheaper models that’s been out for a year.

If I’m going to pay£1500 for the latest flag ship phone then I’d expect it to do multiple things that a £300 phone can’t do but the only real difference is that the cameras not quite as good.

kalpol ,

Not to mention things like Lineage can get even more life from old phones.

fulano ,

I’m running lineage os on a 7-year-old phone, and I can confirm.

shalva97 ,

Im scrolling Reddit and Lemmy productively

chk232 ,

I bought 1 Samsung phone. Never again.

PancakeLegend ,
@PancakeLegend@mander.xyz avatar

Same. It’s the software. I don’t want your shovelware, Samsung.

obinice ,
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

Exactly, they’re amazing and last forever, no need to ever buy two! I’ve had my Samsung tablet now for 9 years and it’s still going strong (though I’ve replaced the battery twice, but I can’t blame Samsung for the realities of battery chemistry haha), it’s still the best screen I’ve used too, bloody fantastic big AMOLED display.

Until this thing breaks down one day I’ve no need to buy any more Samsung stuff! Though when it does, I can’t wait to see what other amazing tablets they’ve cooked up in the intervening years :-D

profdc9 ,

Yeah, this is the chaebol system at work. The Faustian deal between these megacorps and the citizens of South Korea means that it is impossible for Samsung to fail or to be accountable for their bad business decisions. South Korea is the most developed cyberpunk technofeudalistic society.

A2PKXG ,
@A2PKXG@feddit.de avatar

without any kids. They’re in for huuuge trouble.

They went from one million births in 1960 to just 250k last year.

The birth rate is below 1.

with a birth rate of 1, four grandarents make a single grandchild.

Once we go below 1, most people will never even be grandparents.

The boomers will enter retirement age soon, I’m not really sure how that will work.

They definetely won’t be able to do anything against North Korea. They will either be bedridden or care for someone bedridden.

psud ,

I think boomers are all retired, it’s gen X and Millennials that don’t breed

EssentialCoffee ,

Youngest boomers are 59, so still not all retired.

Likely not having that many kids though.

psud ,

Ok. I guess I live in a wealthier place, they all retired here on generous pensions at age 54 and a half

EssentialCoffee ,

Could be. My dad retired at that age in the 90s. But he was Silent gen, not a boomer.

arc ,

I know personally that I would never buy a Samsung phone again. The budget models are filled with ad/crapware. The premium models are expensive, gimmick laden and bad value.

finestnothing ,

The expensive models also have ad/crapware, don’t forget about that fun feature

arc ,

I didn’t know about the adware but I know they bundle a lot of duplicate shit in the deluded belief that people want to use Samsung’s payment system, or appstore or any of the other parallel universe junk that just stinks up the phone.

Zehzin ,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

You shouldn’t have to do this if course, but if you want to remove all the shit they put on phones it’s very easy and safe to use ADB. XDA usually has a list of the things that are safe to remove and there are tutorials online.

danciestlobster ,

Genuine question: what do you recommend instead? Not really excited to support Google via pixel either and didn’t love my last iPhone. Is there a good choice anywhere?

Prox ,

Not the OP, but I went with Moto instead. They’re slim, with minimal junk (2-3 Moto utility apps that aren’t terrible, no Facebook or similar), they work as well as my Samsung phones (if not better), and my first one outlasted the network it was running on (AT&T older G-series network).

poudlardo ,
@poudlardo@jlai.lu avatar

I installed e/OS/ on my Samsung s8+, best decision of my smartphone user life. Fast os, no ads, no crapware, no tracking, no preinstalled bullshit

MrShankles ,

Does “visual voicemail” still work when using e/OS/? I bought an unlocked Samsung a few years ago, but it’s apparently an issue to get visual voicemail working. Not sure if it’s only an ATT problem, (like they’re just being dicks about me not buying my phone through them), but I gave up cause it wasn’t worth my time. I just don’t really check my voicemail anymore cause I’m too lazy to call it, but I wouldn’t mind having it back if it’s a quick fix

VediusPollio ,
@VediusPollio@lemmy.world avatar

Sony Xperia

Gamey ,

A refurbished Pixel or older refurbished OnePlus, they have great third party software support so you can just throw Lineage or /e/OS on there and never worry about crappy software and/or bloatware again!

drathvedro ,

Whatever is most popular under $200. Unless you game or use your phone to take photos a lot, it will do just fine, there’s not much to be added to justify any additional costs. Ironically, most phones in that category would be Samsungs.

BackStabbath ,

I’ve had several phones under $200 over the years. One thing’s been common. The stuff that sucks is the stuff that’s not clear from the specs. It’s the fact that something or the other just doesn’t work that well. I’ve had bad proximity sensors, bad gps, rather poor ram management (still there on my more expensive Samsung). It’s not the chip or the cameras that bother me, it’s the stuff like the quality of the sensors, wifi, bluetooth etc. After my last $200 phone, I bought a Samsung galaxy s20 FE 1.5 years after it launched. Soooooo much better than anything I’ve had in terms of consistency and not letting me down on the daily. So my motto is going to be old flagship, rather than new mid-ranger. And if I can afford it, new flagship I guess.

boonhet ,

But a more expensive phone will last you longer until it gets completely outdated because of its’ performance, therefore you replace it less often and generate less e-waste.

I know that person said Apple (6-7 years of software updates!) is out of the question, but nearly all higher-end Androids get good custom ROM support and can be kept running for years after the OEM stops supporting it.

For just under $200 (in my country anyway - we have 20% sales tax, you might get something better in the US for the same money) I can get a Galaxy A14 with a Mediatek MT6769, a SoC built on an ancient 12nm node, which might be cheap, but will have much less performance per watt than a 7 or 8 series Snapdragon on a 4nm node.

arc ,

I think OnePlus, Motorola or Pixel but really you’d have to check reviews since any phone of including this shit if they wanted. Networks do it too so it is important to buy a SIM free phone if possible as the first precaution.

boonhet , (edited )

Oneplus has gone to shit as far as software is concerned, but the hardware is still good, so if you’re OK running a custom ROM, they’re good.

I last used the Xperia lineup ages ago, but it was a pretty decent experience, close enough to stock Android and the additions they did add were actually improvements. No idea if that’s still the case, but you could look up some reviews.

Ditto for Motorola, which was nearly stock Android back in 2014.

Murena sells refurb and new phones with /e/os preinstalled if you want to go google-free.

I do miss the early days of Android, when you had players like HTC creating completely unique Android experiences (I mean so did Samsung, but their uniqueness was how slow Touchwiz was).

Edit: Also completely forgot the fact that Nokia makes some good phones, including pretty affordable ones and some higher end ones. But personally the one person I knew with one had issues with the USB-C port and had to have theirs repaired by the warranty and then refunded on the second or third round. But that was a much older model, maybe 5 years now, they likely have fixed the issues on their newer ones.

cman6 ,

I’ve had a Nokia 3.1 and 5.1 and I would advise everyone to steer clear! I won’t be buying a Nokia phone again

boonhet ,

Welp, another brand to avoid, that makes… pretty much all of them.

Out of curiosity, what was wrong with your Nokias? I’d never heard of any other issues besides the USB-C port on the 5.1.

cman6 ,

The 3.1 started to become incredibly slow once I installed at the latest updates. If it’s factory reset then it runs fine. The worst offender on that phone was turning the Wifi on and off. Turning it on (after all updates are installed) causes the phone to freeze for 10-20 seconds.

On the 5.1 the keyboard stops responding to every other key press at times. That’s been my only gripe so far to be honest but it’s incredibly frustrating.

virtualbriefcase ,

I’ve been happy with my pixel. As much as it might be not ideal if you don’t want to support Google, ironically it’s like the only phone you can de-google and still have a locked bootloader and full features

TheCraiggers ,
@TheCraiggers@lemmy.world avatar

Doesn’t that invalidate safety net?

virtualbriefcase ,

Doesn’t that invalidate safety net?

Sorry I’m not 100% sure what your asking. If you’re asking about custom roms, I’d trust many custom roms (Graphene is my favorite) better than a lot of manufacturers’s roms. And a bootloader that can be re-locked is a big boost to security, since it requires that the OS be signed by the devs instead of making it easier for malicious code to be shimmed in and run at the OS level even if I install a custom operating system.

TheCraiggers ,
@TheCraiggers@lemmy.world avatar

SafetyNet is the name of Google’s tamper protection thingy. Basically, if it’s not a trusted chain, safety net won’t pass.

This doesn’t impact phone functionality, but some apps check for this and refuse to work if it’s not passing. Google Pay is one of the more well-known examples. Some other banking apps will also check for it. Oddly enough, Pokemon Go also used to (not sure if it still does).

virtualbriefcase ,

Ah, sorry, yeah potentially. I’ve heard that banking apps won’t work most of the time (but usually just use the web any way so can’t confirm). Though oddly if you wanted to use Google Play on Grapheme it works perfectly fine, so maybe not.

barsoap ,

Have a look at Gigaset aka the Siemens branch that built all those DECT phones aka not Siemens mobile (which was a complete joke and failure). Not part of Siemens any more, anyway. Never really top of the line but also comparatively inexpensive (not as much as China phones but still), and most importantly: Replaceable battery. Always had them, even before the new EU regulation (which isn’t even in force yet). Not really that popular in the mainstream market but definitely among builders etc. who want a rugged phone, they’re quite successful in that niche.

lemmy ,

I used to be a huge fan of Samsung and it was the only things I bought. They aren’t any better than competing brands and looking back now brand loyalty is just really dumb especially when the companies don’t give a flying fornication about you. Buy something that works and in your budget. No more Samsung purchases from me.

snausagesinablanket ,
@snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world avatar

I have a $300 Motorola 5g Ace, and it does everything I need it to for over 2 years now.

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