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Some subreddits could be paywalled, hints Reddit CEO

Reddit CEO Steve Huffman has hinted that in future some subreddits could be paywalled, as the company seeks to devise new sources of income.

He suggested that the company might experiment with paywalled subreddits as it looks to monetize new features. “I think the existing, altruistic, free version of Reddit will continue to exist and grow and thrive just the way it has,” Huffman said. “But now we will unlock the door for new use cases, new types of subreddits that can be built that may have exclusive content or private areas, things of that nature.”

This is another move likely to anger Redditors. While the platform is a commercial enterprise, its value derives almost entirely from freely offered user content. That means Redditors feel at least some sense of ownership in a community endeavour, so the company needs to tread carefully when it comes to monetization at user expense.

LEDZeppelin ,

What a fucking moron

dinckelman ,

Proves yet another time that Aaron died for nothing

Red_October ,

Do it. Fucking do it, man, I WANT it to happen. Mash that self-destruct like there’s no tomorrow, Spez, see how low you can go!

Gingerlegs ,

Wow, fuck absolutely all of that

almost1337 ,

Trying to stop scrapers, I would imagine.

Sludgehammer ,
@Sludgehammer@lemmy.world avatar

If scrapers have anything to do with the decision, I’d guess its not so much “stop” as it is “make them pay to scrape”. However I’d guess this is just Huffman trying to squeeze more money out of Reddit.

e8d79 ,
@e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

If they grandfather existing subscribers in it might work for a few months or years, and what does the current Reddit leadership care if that community survives longer than they stay at the company. They also might make a few sales with paywalled celebrity IAmA threads. In any case I will watch from the sidelines and enjoy the spectacle 🍿.

eeltech ,

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wait, let me catch my breath, turning purple over here

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kemsat ,

I bet it’s for the porn. I bet you he’s going to paywall the porn.

jprice ,

It’s steve huffman so it’s definitely for jailbait porn.

lefty7283 ,
@lefty7283@lemmy.world avatar

Oh no! Where will I go to see OF spam bots now???

TimeSquirrel , (edited )
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Who goes to Reddit for porn when so many other better options exist? I always thought that was weird. That'd be the last place I'd look for it.

Also, commenting about porn is creepy as hell to me. Like, I do not want to read some other person's opinions/fantasies about a piece of media I'm jerkin' it to. It's like the people that try to make smalltalk at the urinal. Get in, do your business, get out, and keep that shit to yourself.

CarbonIceDragon ,
@CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social avatar

Under a few specific circumstances comments can make sense, like if it’s a community for drawn stuff of one variety or another, that’s used by newer artists looking for constructive feedback.

Deepus ,

I use it only to get niche porn that can be a pain to find manually online.

kemsat ,

I don’t read the comments lol

jeena ,
@jeena@piefed.jeena.net avatar

Why not all?

admin ,
@admin@lemmy.my-box.dev avatar

They already are. They put all nsfw content behind a privacy paywall (pay with email and browsing habits). Luckily it can still be subverted through old.reddit.com - but the question is for how long.

conciselyverbose ,

Luckily it can still be subverted through old.reddit.com

Wait, really? That’s hilariously stupid.

MedicPigBabySaver ,

Fuck Spez

TalesOfTrees ,

From the article “helping users dive deeper into products, shows, games” - that right there is their focus. It’s spelled right out that it’s going to be primarily an advertising platform.

tiramichu ,

“I think the existing, altruistic, free version of Reddit will continue to exist and grow and thrive just the way it has,” Huffman said.

There’s nothing ‘altruistic’ about reddit

Vanth ,
@Vanth@reddthat.com avatar

I guess reddit was feeding me all those ads out of the kindness of their hearts and took no money for hosting them. “Altruistic”, lol.

The_Picard_Maneuver ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

If anything, they’re the ones benefiting from altruistic users giving them free labor to profit off of.

pleasejustdie ,

Pretty much, when they removed search engines who wouldn’t pay them was the final straw and I went back to reddit (after not being there since the API debacle) 1 last time and replaced all my 26,000 karma worth of comments with “Comment removed in protest of Reddit blocking search engines.” Took me a while, but meh, if they want to hasten its enshitification, I don’t mind doing my part.

kitnaht ,

Some users have actually reported Reddit going back and restoring those very comments.

pleasejustdie ,

yeah, I had heard of that, I’m hoping that since it was a while ago and most of them were the ones done by automated systems and not going through it comment by comment editing them, but I’ll keep at it, if I have to sneak one edit through a day or something.

Shdwdrgn ,

If it’s an automated system, wouldn’t it be written to just look at the original post date, and if the comment was changed (say a month or a year) later, then the script restores the original post? I mean you could get fancy and have the script check if a user is changing all of their comments to the same message, but that seems like overkill. On the other hand, I’ve been running into quite a few posts lately where it’s obvious a single person has simply deleted all of their comments, and I don’t think those are getting reverted?

Cephalotrocity ,

Can confirm. At least, mass deleting via api no longer worked last I tried.

Fapper_McFapper ,

I did the same thing except I deleted all of my comments instead of replacing them. Not only did Reddit undo my deletion they locked me out of my account and no matter what I tried to do I was never able to gain ownership of the account again. Then they sent me letters asking me to buy into their shitty IPO. Fuck Reddit and a very special fuck you to spez.

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

They have an edit history for every piece of content on the site. All you’ve done is post a giant flagpole on all your content stating “this account was previously owned by a real live human” and increased the value of those comments for AI scraping. Unfortunately your protest has done nothing but help them.

The best way to stick it to reddit these days is to not interact with it at all. Don’t add to their data store, don’t give them traffic, don’t click on them in search results. Don’t protest-edit your content because you’re just helping them separate wheat from chaff.

btaf45 ,

Don’t protest-edit your content because you’re just helping them separate wheat from chaff.

How about just replace some of your content with this stuff from time to time.

loremipsum.io

EnderMB ,

Spare a thought for those that have bought Reddit Gold over the years, only to then discover just how much the CEO was paid, up against how much Reddit actually makes as a platform.

It’s not just free labour. They’re literally paying him.

AutomaticUpdates ,
@AutomaticUpdates@monero.town avatar

The altruistic, free version of Reddit is Lemmy.

Telorand ,

Free*

*Except for very real server costs.

AutomaticUpdates ,
@AutomaticUpdates@monero.town avatar

Free*

*as in Freedom, but you’re absolutely right

Telorand ,

Not saying you meant it that way, but people often forget that the Fediverse costs money to run; unlike companies like Reddit, though, the admins are usually not trying to also turn a profit at the same time.

AbidanYre ,

That dude is really trying to kill his own platform, isn’t he?

Erasmus ,
@Erasmus@lemmy.world avatar

Taking lessons from Elon.

Maybe they need to charge users a monthly fee and add blue check marks. Lol

Technofrood ,

So Reddit gold?

PopcornPrincess ,

I don’t miss the often-regurgitated response of “Gee, thanks stranger” that Redditers would say after receiving gold. It would always annoy me.

Sludgehammer ,
@Sludgehammer@lemmy.world avatar

Taking lessons from Elon.

Wasn’t Huffman singing Elon’s praises after the Twitter purchase?

Thrife ,

I remember that too, but am not that sure…

Oh yeah, he did! nbcnews.com/…/reddit-blackout-protest-private-ceo…

Doing right as his role model!

NickwithaC ,
@NickwithaC@lemmy.world avatar

Huffman is a full on Musketeer.

stonerboner ,

He pointed at Twitter’s “success” after Elon took it over as reasons why he is enshittifying Reddit. That comment is why I left Reddit and haven’t looked back.

goferking0 ,

And after the Twitter api pricing

AbidanYre ,

Ooh, I wonder if he’ll sue all the users that left Reddit to join Lemmy.

SzethFriendOfNimi ,

Quarterly reports demand that line go up.

The line must always go up.

fluxion ,

Short-term gains > *

iAmTheTot ,

Lot of wishful thinking in here. Fact is, Reddit isn’t going anywhere.

Telorand ,

What will likely happen is the worst assholes will be the ones paying for this stuff, much like Xitter, because it is a demonstration of being a part of the alt-right, ultra-capitalist in-group.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

It was wishful thinking when people revolted for 3 days against the API going away. What happened? Nothing. People were back to Reddit as normal a week later. Reddit’s userbase has only grown since then. People will complain to the ends of the Earth but there’s no amount of abuse you can levy at the them that will convince them to make the minor inconvenience of moving to a different platform. See: Twitter.

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

Lemmy’s largest userbase growth of all time, ever, happened during the reddit API fiasco.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Did some people leave? Sure. Any actual significant portion? No, not even a little.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

There’s also no correlation between creating a Lemmy account and completely quitting Reddit.

btaf45 ,

Yes. More than a little. It was a huge event for lemmy. Did you think the entire reddit userbase was going to switch in one week? Reddit didn’t get their userbase in one week. It’s a process. Now there is a well known alternative to reddit. Everything in reddit looks shittier than it was before the exodus. It’s nearly impossible to become a ‘new user’ on reddit and with the rando-bans they keep giving out they are just going to keep shrinking.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Yes. More than a little.

If you’d like to post evidence that contradicts my source, please do. “Leaving” for a few days doesn’t count.

Did you think the entire reddit userbase was going to switch in one week?

I was not discussing anything to do with “switching”, I was discussing users leaving Reddit.

manualoverride ,

If you’d like to post evidence that contradicts my source, please do. “Leaving” for a few days doesn’t count.

I was not discussing anything to do with “switching”, I was discussing users leaving Reddit.

Maybe they encountered so many charming people like you on Lemmy they had to go back to Reddit in case they turned nice?

Would that mean they switched and switched back? Or left and re-joined?

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Ah yes, because we all know Reddit only has the nicest folks…

manualoverride ,

Well it looks like they’re missing at least one 😉

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Missing one…?

manualoverride ,

You of course! Silly goose

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

I don’t get it. I belong on Reddit because I’m a nice person?

manualoverride ,

I was really tempted to continue playing along here but then I thought you may just be Autistic and unable to follow….

You appear to be a little aggressive with your messages, normal people don’t communicate in such a confrontational way. Just take a step back, take a deep breath, and try to have civil disagreements with people.

We’re all just here to read some stuff, learn some stuff and try to ignore our real lives for a bit… let’s try and have fun while we’re here.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

You call me autistic in one sentence and accuse me of being confrontational, then ask me to be civil in the next. I think maybe you need to work on your communication skills.

j4yt33 ,

How many of them are real users vs bots though? It’s easy to inflate numbers

stealth_cookies ,

The way I interpret what he is suggesting is that they are planning on going after Patreon type websites that provide a private paid for space for a creator’s supporters. It’s unlikely, but they could also pretty easily go after OF to keep that traffic on site.

JonnyJ ,

i mean, this is the site that blocked nsfw content from hitting the front page

ch00f ,

It’s kind of indicative of how bad the web has gotten that twitter and reddit still have users. Digg completely imploded over much less than this. Just that back in 2010, there was somewhere else to go.

inb4 Lemmy. I get it, but we’re not there yet.

chonglibloodsport ,

I love Lemmy but I really, really miss the old web. Back when people would just create their own website and put it out there to share their niche interest with the world. People just organically linked their sites to each other to form web rings, an easy method of federation without any reliance on sophisticated server-side software.

amanda ,
@amanda@aggregatet.org avatar

I still do this!

The_v ,

The heyday of the forums. For about 2 years the combination of Tapatalk and forums was awesome. Centralized interface with no ads, all the discussion.

Then they both gutted their functionality and spammed in the ads.

thehatfox ,
@thehatfox@lemmy.world avatar

The makeup of web users has changed a lot since 2010. The average web surfer was a lot less passive in attitude in decades past.

chonglibloodsport ,

The enshittification must go on!

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

He’s trying to make money, he doesn’t care about the platform or its future. The Boeing’s CEO during the two 737 MAX crashes had to resign… with $62.2 million in his pockets. These people live in a different world.

ft.com/…/522fab9c-34f2-11ea-a6d3-9a26f8c3cba4

infinitevalence ,
@infinitevalence@discuss.online avatar

The enshitification will continue until all value is extracted.

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

I kinda love to see it. These companies can’t help themselves.

Banichan ,
@Banichan@dormi.zone avatar

I kinda love to eat, but I’m paying more for less of a worse version.

Arkouda ,

Care to explain how Reddit shitting the bed impacts your ability to eat?

Banichan ,
@Banichan@dormi.zone avatar

I was referring to the enshittification of all things, which has impacted my eating habits

Arkouda ,

I find this comment funny.

BmeBenji ,

Businesses really are just artificial mines, aren’t they?

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