Bitcoin is Stupid and Does Not Deserve an Emoji (blog post)

LarmyOfLone , 1 month ago

Woah way too many emojis already!

😀😃😄😁😆😅🤣😂🙂😉😊😇🥰😍🤩😘😗😚😙😏

androogee , 1 month ago

There’s an emoji for nonbinary zombie🧟
There’s an emoji for "I can’t get my map to fold back up"🗺️
There’s even an emoji for a pregnant super Saiyan I think🫄🏼

But there’s no emoji for riding two giraffes at the same time, so hieroglyphics still wins 𓀬

P4ulin_Kbana , 1 month ago

This message right here ⤴️

P4ulin_Kbana , 1 month ago

This is the same thing as saying “there’s too many music!”, “there’s too many art!”

You can’t have enough emojis. Ever.

LarmyOfLone , 1 month ago

You can’t have enough emojis. Ever.

Oh it’s on!

🍐	🍑	🍒	🍓	🍔	🍕	🍖	🍗	🍘	🍙	🍚
🍠	🍡	🍢	🍣	🍤	🍥	🍦	🍧	🍨	🍩	🍪
🍰	🍱	🍲	🍳	🍴	🍵	🍶	🍷	🍸	🍹	🍺
🎀	🎁	🎂	🎃	🎄	🎅	🎆	🎇	🎈	🎉	🎊
🎐	🎑	🎒	🎓			🎖️	🎗️		🎙️	🎚️
🎠	🎡	🎢	🎣	🎤	🎥	🎦	🎧	🎨	🎩	🎪
🎰	🎱	🎲	🎳	🎴	🎵	🎶	🎷	🎸	🎹	🎺
🏀	🏁	🏂	🏃	🏄	🏅	🏆	🏇	🏈	🏉	🏊
🏐	🏑	🏒	🏓	🏔️	🏕️	🏖️	🏗️	🏘️	🏙️	🏚️
🏠	🏡	🏢	🏣	🏤	🏥	🏦	🏧	🏨	🏩	🏪
🏰			🏳️	🏴	🏵️		🏷️	🏸	🏹	🏺
🐀	🐁	🐂	🐃	🐄	🐅	🐆	🐇	🐈	🐉	🐊
🐐	🐑	🐒	🐓	🐔	🐕	🐖	🐗	🐘	🐙	🐚
🐠	🐡	🐢	🐣	🐤	🐥	🐦	🐧	🐨	🐩	🐪

P4ulin_Kbana , 1 month ago

Still not many enough for actual emotions.

LarmyOfLone , 1 month ago

All right. I have prepared for this over the last day. I’ve copied and reformatted this full list of Unicode single emojis! You asked for this!

Don't emoji open inside©️ ®️ ‼️ ⁉️ ™️ ℹ️ ↔️ ↕️ ↖️ ↗️ ↘️ ↙️ ↩️ ↪️ ⌚️ ⌛️ ⌨️ ⏏️ ⏩️ ⏪️ ⏫️ ⏬️ ⏭️ ⏮️ ⏯️⏰️ ⏱️ ⏲️ ⏳️ ⏸️ ⏹️ ⏺️ Ⓜ️ ▪️ ▫️ ▶️ ◀️ ◻️ ◼️ ◽️ ◾️ ☀️ ☁️ ☂️ ☃️ ☄️ ☎️ ☑️ ☔️ ☕️ ☘️ ☝️ ☠️ ☢️ ☣️ ☦️ ☪️ ☮️ ☯️ ☸️ ☹️ ☺️ ♀️ ♂️ ♈️ ♉️ ♊️ ♋️ ♌️ ♍️ ♎️ ♏️♐️ ♑️ ♒️ ♓️ ♟️♠️ ♣️ ♥️ ♦️ ♨️ ♻️ ♾️ ♿️ ⚒️ ⚓️ ⚔️ ⚕️ ⚖️ ⚗️ ⚙️ ⚛️ ⚜️ ⚠️ ⚡️ ⚧️ ⚪️ ⚫️ ⚰️ ⚱️ ⚽️ ⚾️ ⛄️ ⛅️ ⛈️ ⛎️ ⛏️ ⛑️ ⛓️ ⛔️ ⛩️ ⛪️ ⛰️ ⛱️ ⛲️ ⛳️ ⛴️ ⛵️ ⛷️ ⛸️ ⛹️ ⛺️ ⛽️ ✂️ ✅️ ✈️ ✉️ ✊️ ✋️ ✌️ ✍️ ✏️ ✒️ ✔️ ✖️ ✝️ ✡️ ✨️ ✳️ ✴️ ❄️ ❇️ ❌️ ❎️ ❓️ ❔️ ❕️ ❗️ ❣️ ❤️ ➕️ ➖️ ➗️ ➡️ ➰️ ➿️ ⤴️ ⤵️ ⬅️ ⬆️ ⬇️ ⬛️ ⬜️ ⭐️ ⭕️ 〰️ 〽️ ㊗️ ㊙️ 🀄 🃏🅰️ 🅱️ 🅾️ 🅿️ 🆎 🆑 🆒 🆓 🆔 🆕 🆖 🆗 🆘 🆙 🆚 🈁 🈂️ 🈚 🈯 🈲 🈳 🈴 🈵 🈶 🈷️ 🈸 🈹 🈺 🉐 🉑 🌀 🌁 🌂 🌃 🌄 🌅 🌆 🌇 🌈 🌉 🌊 🌋 🌌 🌍 🌎 🌏 🌐 🌑 🌒 🌓 🌔 🌕 🌖 🌗 🌘 🌙 🌚 🌛 🌜 🌝 🌞 🌟 🌠 🌡️ 🌤️ 🌥️ 🌦️ 🌧️ 🌨️ 🌩️ 🌪️ 🌫️ 🌬️ 🌭 🌮 🌯 🌰 🌱 🌲 🌳 🌴 🌵 🌶️ 🌷 🌸 🌹 🌺 🌻 🌼 🌽 🌾 🌿 🍀 🍁 🍂 🍃 🍄 🍅 🍆 🍇 🍈 🍉 🍊 🍋 🍌 🍍 🍎 🍏 🍐 🍑 🍒 🍓 🍔 🍕 🍖 🍗 🍘 🍙 🍚 🍛 🍜 🍝 🍞 🍟 🍠 🍡 🍢 🍣 🍤 🍥 🍦 🍧 🍨 🍩 🍪 🍫 🍬 🍭 🍮 🍯 🍰 🍱 🍲 🍳 🍴 🍵 🍶 🍷 🍸 🍹 🍺 🍻 🍼 🍽️ 🍾 🍿 🎀 🎁 🎂 🎃 🎄 🎅 🎆 🎇 🎈 🎉 🎊 🎋 🎌 🎍 🎎 🎏 🎐 🎑 🎒 🎓 🎖️ 🎗️ 🎙️ 🎚️ 🎛️ 🎞️ 🎟️ 🎠 🎡 🎢 🎣 🎤 🎥 🎦 🎧 🎨 🎩 🎪 🎫 🎬 🎭 🎮 🎯 🎰 🎱 🎲 🎳 🎴 🎵 🎶 🎷 🎸 🎹 🎺 🎻 🎼 🎽 🎾 🎿 🏀 🏁 🏂 🏃 🏄 🏅 🏆 🏇 🏈 🏉 🏊 🏋️ 🏌️ 🏍️ 🏎️ 🏏 🏐 🏑 🏒 🏓 🏔️ 🏕️ 🏖️ 🏗️ 🏘️ 🏙️ 🏚️ 🏛️ 🏜️ 🏝️ 🏞️ 🏟️ 🏠 🏡 🏢 🏣 🏤 🏥 🏦 🏧 🏨 🏩 🏪 🏫 🏬 🏭 🏮 🏯 🏰 🏳️ 🏴 🏵️ 🏷️ 🏸 🏹 🏺 🏻 🏼 🏽 🏾 🏿 🐀 🐁 🐂 🐃 🐄 🐅 🐆 🐇 🐈 🐉 🐊 🐋 🐌 🐍 🐎 🐏 🐐 🐑 🐒 🐓 🐔 🐕 🐖 🐗 🐘 🐙 🐚 🐛 🐜 🐝 🐞 🐟 🐠 🐡 🐢 🐣 🐤 🐥 🐦 🐧 🐨 🐩 🐪 🐫 🐬 🐭 🐮 🐯 🐰 🐱 🐲 🐳 🐴 🐵 🐶 🐷 🐸 🐹 🐺 🐻 🐼 🐽 🐾 🐿️ 👀 👁️ 👂 👃 👄 👅 👆 👇 👈 👉 👊 👋 👌 👍 👎 👏 👐 👑 👒 👓 👔 👕 👖 👗 👘 👙 👚 👛 👜 👝 👞 👟 👠 👡 👢 👣 👤 👥 👦 👧 👨 👩 👪 👫 👬 👭 👮 👯 👰 👱 👲 👳 👴 👵 👶 👷 👸 👹 👺 👻 👼 👽 👾 👿 💀 💁 💂 💃 💄 💅 💆 💇 💈 💉 💊 💋 💌 💍 💎 💏 💐 💑 💒 💓 💔 💕 💖 💗 💘 💙 💚 💛 💜 💝 💞 💟 💠 💡 💢 💣 💤 💥 💦 💧 💨 💩 💪 💫 💬 💭 💮 💯 💰 💱 💲 💳 💴 💵 💶 💷 💸 💹 💺 💻 💼 💽 💾 💿 📀 📁 📂 📃 📄 📅 📆 📇 📈 📉 📊 📋 📌 📍 📎 📏 📐 📑 📒 📓 📔 📕 📖 📗 📘 📙 📚 📛 📜 📝 📞 📟 📠 📡 📢 📣 📤 📥 📦 📧 📨 📩 📪 📫 📬 📭 📮 📯 📰 📱 📲 📳 📴 📵 📶 📷 📸 📹 📺 📻 📼 📽️ 📿 🔀 🔁 🔂 🔃 🔄 🔅 🔆 🔇 🔈 🔉 🔊 🔋 🔌 🔍 🔎 🔏 🔐 🔑 🔒 🔓 🔔 🔕 🔖 🔗 🔘 🔙 🔚 🔛 🔜 🔝 🔞 🔟 🔠 🔡 🔢 🔣 🔤 🔥 🔦 🔧 🔨 🔩 🔪 🔫 🔬 🔭 🔮 🔯 🔰 🔱 🔲 🔳 🔴 🔵 🔶 🔷 🔸 🔹 🔺 🔻 🔼 🔽 🕉️ 🕊️ 🕋 🕌 🕍 🕎 🕐 🕑 🕒 🕓 🕔 🕕 🕖 🕗 🕘 🕙 🕚 🕛 🕜 🕝 🕞 🕟 🕠 🕡 🕢 🕣 🕤 🕥 🕦 🕧 🕯️ 🕰️ 🕳️ 🕴️ 🕵️ 🕶️ 🕷️ 🕸️ 🕹️ 🕺 🖇️ 🖊️ 🖋️ 🖌️ 🖍️ 🖐️ 🖕 🖖 🖤 🖥️ 🖨️ 🖱️ 🖲️ 🖼️ 🗂️ 🗃️ 🗄️ 🗑️ 🗒️ 🗓️ 🗜️ 🗝️ 🗞️ 🗡️ 🗣️ 🗨️ 🗯️ 🗳️ 🗺️ 🗻 🗼 🗽 🗾 🗿 😀 😁 😂 😃 😄 😅 😆 😇 😈 😉 😊 😋 😌 😍 😎 😏 😐 😑 😒 😓 😔 😕 😖 😗 😘 😙 😚 😛 😜 😝 😞 😟 😠 😡 😢 😣 😤 😥 😦 😧 😨 😩 😪 😫 😬 😭 😮 😯 😰 😱 😲 😳 😴 😵 😶 😷 😸 😹 😺 😻 😼 😽 😾 😿 🙀 🙁 🙂 🙃 🙄 🙅 🙆 🙇 🙈 🙉 🙊 🙋 🙌 🙍 🙎 🙏 🚀 🚁 🚂 🚃 🚄 🚅 🚆 🚇 🚈 🚉 🚊 🚋 🚌 🚍 🚎 🚏 🚐 🚑 🚒 🚓 🚔 🚕 🚖 🚗 🚘 🚙 🚚 🚛 🚜 🚝 🚞 🚟 🚠 🚡 🚢 🚣 🚤 🚥 🚦 🚧 🚨 🚩 🚪 🚫 🚬 🚭 🚮 🚯 🚰 🚱 🚲 🚳 🚴 🚵 🚶 🚷 🚸 🚹 🚺 🚻 🚼 🚽 🚾 🚿 🛀 🛁 🛂 🛃 🛄 🛅 🛋️ 🛌 🛍️ 🛎️ 🛏️ 🛐 🛑 🛒 🛕 🛖 🛗 🛜 🛝 🛞 🛟 🛠️ 🛡️ 🛢️ 🛣️ 🛤️ 🛥️ 🛩️ 🛫 🛬 🛰️ 🛳️ 🛴 🛵 🛶 🛷 🛸 🛹 🛺 🛻 🛼 🟠 🟡 🟢 🟣 🟤 🟥 🟦 🟧 🟨 🟩 🟪 🟫 🟰 🤌 🤍 🤎 🤏 🤐 🤑 🤒 🤓 🤔 🤕 🤖 🤗 🤘 🤙 🤚 🤛 🤜 🤝 🤞 🤟 🤠 🤡 🤢 🤣 🤤 🤥 🤦 🤧 🤨 🤩 🤪 🤫 🤬 🤭 🤮 🤯 🤰 🤱 🤲 🤳 🤴 🤵 🤶 🤷 🤸 🤹 🤺 🤼 🤽 🤾 🤿 🥀 🥁 🥂 🥃 🥄 🥅 🥇 🥈 🥉 🥊 🥋 🥌 🥍 🥎 🥏 🥐 🥑 🥒 🥓 🥔 🥕 🥖 🥗 🥘 🥙 🥚 🥛 🥜 🥝 🥞 🥟 🥠 🥡 🥢 🥣 🥤 🥥 🥦 🥧 🥨 🥩 🥪 🥫 🥬 🥭 🥮 🥯 🥰 🥱 🥲 🥳 🥴 🥵 🥶 🥷 🥸 🥹 🥺 🥻 🥼 🥽 🥾 🥿 🦀 🦁 🦂 🦃 🦄 🦅 🦆 🦇 🦈 🦉 🦊 🦋 🦌 🦍 🦎 🦏 🦐 🦑 🦒 🦓 🦔 🦕 🦖 🦗 🦘 🦙 🦚 🦛 🦜 🦝 🦞 🦟 🦠 🦡 🦢 🦣 🦤 🦥 🦦 🦧 🦨 🦩 🦪 🦫 🦬 🦭 🦮 🦯 🦰 🦱 🦲 🦳 🦴 🦵 🦶 🦷 🦸 🦹 🦺 🦻 🦼 🦽 🦾 🦿 🧀 🧁 🧂 🧃 🧄 🧅 🧆 🧇 🧈 🧉 🧊 🧋 🧌 🧍 🧎 🧏 🧐 🧑 🧒 🧓 🧔 🧕 🧖 🧗 🧘 🧙 🧚 🧛 🧜 🧝 🧞 🧟 🧠 🧡 🧢 🧣 🧤 🧥 🧦 🧧 🧨 🧩 🧪 🧫 🧬 🧭 🧮 🧯 🧰 🧱 🧲 🧳 🧴 🧵 🧶 🧷 🧸 🧹 🧺 🧻 🧼 🧽 🧾 🧿 🩰 🩱 🩲 🩳 🩴 🩵 🩶 🩷 🩸 🩹 🩺 🩻 🩼 🪀 🪁 🪂 🪃 🪄 🪅 🪆 🪇 🪈 🪐 🪑 🪒 🪓 🪔 🪕 🪖 🪗 🪘 🪙 🪚 🪛 🪜 🪝 🪞 🪟 🪠 🪡 🪢 🪣 🪤 🪥 🪦 🪧 🪨 🪩 🪪 🪫 🪬 🪭 🪮 🪯 🪰 🪱 🪲 🪳 🪴 🪵 🪶 🪷 🪸 🪹 🪺 🪻 🪼 🪽 🪿 🫀 🫁 🫂 🫃 🫄 🫅 🫎 🫏 🫐 🫑 🫒 🫓 🫔 🫕 🫖 🫗 🫘 🫙 🫚 🫛 🫠 🫡 🫢 🫣 🫤 🫥 🫦 🫧 🫨 🫰 🫱 🫲 🫳 🫴 🫵 🫶 🫷 🫸

P4ulin_Kbana , 1 month ago

Thank you! This may come in handy later!

hesusingthespiritbomb , 1 month ago

Does anyone remember when one of Maine’s US Senators lobbied Unicode to create a lobster emoji?

ruse8145 , 1 month ago

That’s the majestic and ancient lobster, and having an emoji for such a fine creature makes sense.

This is Bitcoin

hesusingthespiritbomb , 1 month ago

Yeah I just think it’s funny a Senator took time out of his day to be like “we need a lobster emoji”

pyrflie , 1 month ago

Emoji are stupid and deserve Bitcoin. We don’t deserve either of these unintelligible pictograph shorthands. Alphabets exist for multiple reasons.

UnfairUtan , 1 month ago

I couldn’t disagree more, emojis are amazing. They bring life to conversation, they help convey emotions, and they can be fun !

rickyrigatoni , 1 month ago

this dude don’t know what 🚶🏠⛈️🚗🚫 means 🤣

meliaesc , 1 month ago

Have you ever had an autism evaluation? Emojis are indispensable to convey context and mood to text.

ruse8145 , 1 month ago

Was someone on your lawn this morning?

Chakravanti , 1 month ago

Duh, it’s stupid. Bitcoin is the snitchcoin. Broadcasts all details of all transactions, everywhere, always, forever.

Monero.

Emmie , 1 month ago (edited 1 month ago)

You have to do some mild gymnastics to buy monero here but yes this is what I use for sensitive transactions too.
It’s weird because theoretically there is some kind of law that makes it harder to buy it but there are services that let you do it anyway so I am guessing it’s a cat and mouse game.

Emoji of a currency used for shady shit is the last thing it needs tho lol, it would be kinda like private tracker putting ad on YouTube or smh

Chakravanti , 1 month ago

Right now, sure, it’s just know the guy for it. Or swap bitcoin for it on bisq.network

Chakravanti , 1 month ago

Also your business is none of mine. I have no concerns and you haven’t of mine, thank you very much.

Emmie , 1 month ago (edited 1 month ago)

Biz is biz

No but if I’d be doing anything other than piracy I wouldn’t be typing things I am typing even

I am autistically obsessed with niche underground internet things. though that one isn’t really one of them I guess

Chakravanti , 1 month ago

Yeah, because typing about wisdom isn’t viable, huh?

Emerald , 1 month ago

Emoji of a currency used for shady shit is the last thing it needs tho lol

I agree. 💲💸💵💴💶💷💳💰 should all be removed from Unicode as those currencies are used for shady shit. /s

Emmie , 1 month ago

Touché

explodicle , 1 month ago

Bitcoin Lightning fixes this. Monero built its first layer with this assumption, and now it’s impossible to check if there has been an inflation bug like the Value Overflow Incident.

When (not if) there’s an inflation bug, the attacker will be able to sell his free XMR indefinitely.

Chakravanti , 1 month ago

No. It doesn’t change any of that. It’s still trackable %100

explodicle , 1 month ago

Lightning payments are onion routed, like Tor traffic.

Chakravanti , 1 month ago

Still not close to the same. That’s borrowed functions on one chain. Monero is triple encrypted. You crack one and you got no time left before the next chain flips the whole shebang.

zalgotext , 1 month ago

Monero is triple encrypted. You crack one and you got no time left before the next chain flips the whole shebang.

If monero is using sane, modern encryption algorithms, “triple encryption” doesn’t really get you meaningfully more security.

It already takes an insane amount of time to brute force good encryption algorithms, so if people are cracking your encryption, they’re doing it via some vulnerability/flaw/exploit in the algorithm which allows then to crack things much faster than brute forcing. If you use the same encryption algorithm for all three layers, you just have to exploit it three times instead of one, which isn’t really adding any difficulty to a competent attacker.

What if you use three different encryption algorithms, you may ask? Well, that’s even worse because you’ve now tripled the attack surface of your encryption scheme.

Chakravanti , 1 month ago

That’s not at all addressing a single thing over what goes on in Monero. You either get it or you don’t and you just don’t. Go read more, yacky.

zalgotext , 1 month ago

If you’ve got some articles handy, feel free to link them. My searches aren’t finding anything about Monero’s “triple encryption”.

Chakravanti , 1 month ago

www.getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/

zalgotext , 1 month ago

Nothing on that site mentions “triple encryption”. Can you clarify what you meant by that?

Chakravanti , 1 month ago

No. Educate yourself on how Monero works. All I’m saying is that it’s the safest. You want to understand complicated shit then go figure it out. I ain’t here to teach how shit works when the Moneropedia does it all already.

The short is that there are three factors. Each of which are separately encrypted and handle separate parts of the Monero. You have to crack all three to know about any particular exchange. They’re not on top of each other they way you infer.

zalgotext , 1 month ago

Thanks, could have just clarified that from the beginning.

It’s not my fault you used a well-known cryptography term incorrectly.

Chakravanti , 1 month ago

Keep trying. Technically i am correct. Just in a totally different sense of such.

zalgotext , 1 month ago

Whatever makes you feel better man

Chakravanti , 1 month ago

Like downvotes you throw around like you actually someone of any meaning.

zalgotext , 1 month ago

I’m not down voting you dude. Not that down votes matter

explodicle , 1 month ago

It’s not close to the same thing, but definitely not trackable 100%, and comparable levels of privacy. Having less elegant code doesn’t change that. If you’d like, we can perform a test in which I make a lightning payment and you track it.

I don’t think it’s likely that an attacker can crack even your first layer of encryption in the time it takes for a transaction to propagate and settle.

Chakravanti , 1 month ago

You don’t get it and i ain’t here to explain what there already exists well made such for understanding.

explodicle , 1 month ago

I don’t even get that sentence!

Chakravanti , 1 month ago

And I ain’t an English teacher

Emmie , 1 month ago

They earn fucking shit

Chakravanti , 1 month ago

Money is evil.

magic_lobster_party , 1 month ago

We also need a McDonald’s emoji, Pepsi emoji, Windows emoji and Mastercard emoji. These are also brands that are heavily ingrained in our culture. Probably even more so than Bitcoin.

Or we accept that brands like Bitcoin shouldn’t use emoji as a marketing tool.

pyre , 1 month ago

Probably even more so

probably? shitcoin isn’t even in the same ballpark universe as something like McDonald’s or Pepsi.

technocrit , 1 month ago

Yeah McDonalds is based on torturing and murdering animals while destroying the planet… While bitcoin is only destroying the planet like the rest of capitalism.

pyre , 1 month ago

vegans stay on topic challenge (impossible)

Mubelotix , 1 month ago

These are not public infrastructure

Chozo , 1 month ago

Neither is Bitcoin.

AnarchistsForKamala , 1 month ago

yes, it is. anyone can spin up a node or download the blockchain or make an address.

RxBrad , 1 month ago

Anyone can shit their pants. Is that “infrastructure”?

AnarchistsForKamala , 1 month ago

the sewer is infrastructure. i don’t think you understand the network protocol.

RxBrad , 1 month ago

I’m not using the sewer when I shit my pants. I don’t think you understand pants.

AnarchistsForKamala , 1 month ago

maybe you should use the public infrastructure.

Mubelotix , 1 month ago

You think you can fool people by using a simple straw man argument technique? Come on, get your shit together. Bitcoin is infrastructure as anyone can submit transactions to the network and they will be seamlessly processed. As simple as that

RxBrad , 1 month ago

I know that shouting “straw man!” is the first step of trying to deflect from being wrong on the Internet… But if you’re going to do it, at least know what a straw man is.

My argument is that “Infrastructure” != “anyone can do it”.

Infrastructure is something that benefits and maintains the general public. Bitcoin benefits a handful of cryptobros, billionaires… and most importantly ransomware rings.

Mubelotix , 1 month ago

Your straw man is “shit in their pants”

Read your own comments dude

RxBrad , 1 month ago

The person I was arguing with was saying that “infrastructure is anything which is something anyone can do”. I gave an example of something that anyone can do which isn’t infrastructure.

It’s absolutely a direct refuation — a counter-example which disproves their original statement. It’s not a “straw man”, as much as you get mad and scream that it is.

Mubelotix , 1 month ago

So you were wrong from the beginning. He never said “infrastructure is anything which is something anyone can do”. You are the only one who said it. He provided an example of a service provided by the infrastructure in question

itslilith , 1 month ago

Should the fediverse get an emoji? How about Matrix?

AnarchistsForKamala , 1 month ago

as was already said elsewhere, advocating for an emoji is silly, and advocating against one might be sillier.

itslilith , 1 month ago

Putting significant energy into campaigning against it? Sure. But what’s silly about saying “this is a stupid idea and shouldn’t happen”?

AnarchistsForKamala , 1 month ago

that blog post and petition are significantly more than just saying it’s stupid

Emerald , 1 month ago

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AnarchistsForKamala , 1 month ago

do you know how I know that you didn’t read the article?

floquant , 1 month ago

Since when is Bitcoin a brand lmao? I’m really struggling to see how it is comparable to McDonald’s or Windows. Having a logo does not make you a corporation

magic_lobster_party , 1 month ago

The Bitcoin logo is the brand. Corporations like exchanges use this brand to market their services.

AnarchistsForKamala , 1 month ago

Bitcoin is a network protocol. not a brand.

magic_lobster_party , 1 month ago

The logo and name is the brand. How do you visually represent a specific payment protocol without using its logo? There’s no emoji for HTTP or TCP either.

deathbird , 1 month ago

I’m actually for the idea of emojis for protocols. Not Bitcoin specifically because I don’t think it has long term potential as a deflationary virual asset, but block chain? Sure.

AnarchistsForKamala , 1 month ago

while there may not be an emoji for http, maybe there should be. there is sort of an unofficial one (a broken lock), and there are other protocols that have logos. as another commenter said, it’s kind of silly to fight for an emojii for it, and probably sillier to fight against it.

Emerald , 1 month ago

while there may not be an emoji for http, maybe there should be.

No God, Please No!

We don’t need another gzip or bzip2 logo. Lol

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/848e55fd-d4e2-4cb6-8680-1afdf95698b9.pnghttps://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/9ea173ff-f430-4844-980a-acdf30c56d68.png

ByteOnBikes , 1 month ago

Nobody is saying Bitcoin to refer to that, ever. Come on.

AnarchistsForKamala , 1 month ago

maybe no one you talk to, but I assure you, it happens. it is happening right now, in this conversation

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In , 1 month ago

Bitcoin is digital money. A better analogy would be to campaign for a USD, Yen, euro or British pound emoji.

Oh wait, they already exist.

magic_lobster_party , 1 month ago

https://unicode.org/emoji/proposals.html#Faulty_Comparison

The existence of other emoji can’t justify the inclusion of a new emoji. Those emojis are old, and it’s unlikely they would’ve been approved under Unicode’s current guidelines.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In , 1 month ago

I agree with you.

I’m not really arguing for a bitcoin emoji. Just against the McDonald’s brand comparison.

BTC is not mainstream enough (and never will be) to be needed in everyday text speak.

poo , 1 month ago (edited 1 month ago)

It’s also a scam. But those who fell for it and NFTs want to downtown cuz mad

technocrit , 1 month ago

How so?

calcopiritus , 1 month ago

The coin itself is not a scam.

However, its main usage is to receive payments from scams or any other kind of computer-related crime really.

conciselyverbose , 1 month ago

Except those are real currencies the world recognizes.

Most businesses will tell you to fuck off if you try to pay them in bitcoin.

Emerald , 1 month ago

Most businesses will tell you to fuck off if you try to pay them in bitcoin.

Yes and no. You can indirectly pay for things in Bitcoin using a Bitcoin credit card. Although I’m not sure why you would want to.

conciselyverbose , 1 month ago

It’s not “paying in bitcoin” if you have a random third party on your side converting it to a currency that isn’t a joke.

Aolley , 1 month ago

hail emoji?

uriel238 , 1 month ago

🍟 <<< Only one brand sells French fries / Chips in this format. And it’s the super-size format.

magic_lobster_party , 1 month ago

Unicode Consortium decide which emoji should be included. It’s up to each vendor themselves to come up with how they should look like. I don’t think Unicode Consortium explicitly state it must look like McDonald’s fries.

uriel238 , 1 month ago

No. But the description of the Emoji is French Fries in a red carton.

Now I can’t be absolutely certain only McDonald’s sells french fries in a red carton, nor do I know if red french fry cartons are trademarked (answers to these questions evaded simple websearches) but I have never seen french fries sold in red cartons outside of McDonald’s.

If you do find non-McDonald’s french fries sold in a red carton, please point them out.

magic_lobster_party , 1 month ago

Red carton is chosen because that’s how it’s commonly depicted in cartoon images.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=french+fries+cartoon&t=h_&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images

uriel238 , 1 month ago

The red and white stripes are the generic 50’s era diner fries. Flat red was introduced by McDonald’s in the 1980s extra-large and super-size cartons. (Before that McDonald’s fries were sold in white waxed-paper envelopes.

azalty , 1 month ago

At KFC they’re in a red plastic box of the same format. Can’t buy them cuz of reusable packaging laws in France, but that’s what I thought first when I saw this emoji

uriel238 , 1 month ago

That’s fair. I had forgotten KFC made their own version of fries and boxed them in red.

deafboy , 1 month ago

We also need a McDonald’s emoji, Pepsi emoji, Windows emoji and Mastercard emoji

bitcoin is not a company.

whotookkarl , 1 month ago

Also not a brand, in the trademark sense

Emerald , 1 month ago

Mastercard emoji

💳

uriel238 , 1 month ago

Bitcoin already has a unicode sign, which is plenty. We don’t need an emoji, we need better user access to the full unicode set. (To date, on both mobile and desktop, I have to sometimes websearch specific characters and copy-paste, and not all emoji are displayed on my PC Firefox browser, though it’s better now than last year). Also curiously, the Lemmy website text editor emoji picker only places an emoji at the end of the text, not where the cursor is (and adds a space I don’t want).

The current Emoji library has a frog face, 🐸 not a frog body. That’s a higher priority than a bitcoin. I could see some kind of generic crypto coin, maybe. Maybe.

On a parallel subject, I do think the international community would do well to create a decentralized currency, and I do think blockchain may figure into this, but it needs to be secure and allow for anonymous transactions, and not allow for tampering with the ledger. Bitcoin has failed on all three accounts. We need a better, more robust system, but it seems all current cryptocurrencies are practice, and toys for prospectors and gamblers until we make a robust one.

I absolutely do not want to encourage the ransomware industry.

LeSingePuant , 1 month ago

Absolutely agree. Unfortunately, it would probably be negatively stigmatized for [insert illegal hot-button topic] like encrypted messaging is.

go_go_gadget , 1 month ago

but it needs to be secure and allow for anonymous transactions, and not allow for tampering with the ledger. Bitcoin has failed on all three accounts.

Lol what? No legitimate bitcoin critics make these claims against Bitcoin. The ledger is immutable and the transactions are pseudo anonymous. In fact your typical bitcoin critic lists these as downsides (“no way to reverse mistakes” and “cannot prevent money laundering”) right after the criticisms about energy consumption.

You legitimately have no idea what you’re talking about.

uriel238 , 1 month ago

I’m not a Bitcoin or crypto expert (though I remember news about a decade ago about unrelated data, including pictures, ending up in the ledger. Maybe they fixed it?) Rather I think about what I’d want in a currency that we don’t have in state-backed currencies.

And yes, anonymity of transactions is one of the, money laundering is about justifying gains to a surveillance state on the grounds that only state-approved transactions should be allowed. Like the internet, the economy is and should be bigger than the regional states we have, unless you want Hollywood telling you what content you are allowed to watch and how many times before your license expires.

One of the problems with state-proprietary banking systems is that they can be manipulated for political purposes. It’s nice when this means depriving dicks of their money (say Putin and Russian Oligarchs) but it’s not very nice when it’s used to silence journalists who embarrass the ownership class (e.g. Wikileaks) or is used by industrialists to block competition (e.g. the MPAA and RIAA arranging for the freezing of Kim Dotcom’s assets, and those of Megaupload, which was about to release a new music distribution system).

The point is to create a currency that states cannot control or regulate.

Yes, there are matters like the black market. CSAM transactions have become more difficult to trace while cryptocurrencies are stable, but I suspect these can be addressed piecemeal when we actually confront problems like drug abuse and porn production. As it is, the people who do the most damage, cause the most cost and death have enough influence on state regulators of currency so as to not need to launder money. (Though they may fold conflict diamonds into ones mined from legitimate sources.)

go_go_gadget , 1 month ago

You said the Bitcoin ledger is mutable. It’s not. You said Bitcoin isn’t anonymous and that’s mostly true because it’s pseduo-anonymous which can be fully anonymous if you want it to be.

Chozo , 1 month ago

I don't mind there being an emoji for cryptocurrency. It's a relevant thing in modern society whether we like it or not, so there's no reason it should be excluded. But just not Bitcoin, specifically. Even though Bitcoin is the one that kicked off crypto, it's still a brand name, which would result in auto-rejection according to the Unicode Consortium's guidelines.

If there was a more general-purpose icon/symbol that could represent cryptocurrency in general, that'd be more appropriate. But it can't be Bitcoin.

borari , 1 month ago

They already have that, 💩

elvith , 1 month ago

💩🪙

polumrak , 1 month ago

Poopmoon?

elvith , 1 month ago

Its a coin emoji, but its one of those emoji that get rendered wildly different depending on which device (and software version) you’re viewing it on

polumrak , 1 month ago

Hah, poop coin! For me it’s like realistic moon without face, just like Samsung quality moon photo.

polumrak , 1 month ago

Wait it is a coin! What the what!

lisquid420 , 1 month ago

lol shitcoin

WhatAmLemmy , 1 month ago

I wouldn’t think Bitcoin has, or can, be trademarked or copyrighted, as it is an open-source protocol/technology where even the creator is unknown?

Either way there isn’t a generic symbol for cryptocurrency. This emoji will go the way of the save icon, where in a couple generations most people will have no idea what it relates to, but know that it’s a symbol for cryptos.

Chozo , 1 month ago (edited 1 month ago)

I wouldn't think Bitcoin has, or can, be trademarked or copyrighted, as it is an open-source protocol/technology where even the creator is unknown?

It's still the name of a specific product/service. The issue is partly trademark/copyright, but also partly a matter of neutrality. The Unicode Consortium want to ensure that they're not directly or indirectly endorsing any specific products. If they added a Bitcoin logo, then you'd see every other crypto lining up to get their logos permanently installed on every person's devices, too. Free advertising for life on 99.99% of phones would be hard to pass up.

ricecake , 1 month ago

I mean, we have a symbol for effectively any currency that anyone can or wants to fill out the paperwork for and can demonstrate the basics of “this is a meaningful symbol with more than transient relevance”.

They added ₿ in 2016.

www.compart.com/en/unicode/category/Sc

Scrollone , 1 month ago

So, if there’s already a symbol in Unicode, the petition doesn’t make any sense. They should ask Google and Apple to display the symbol in the emoji list, with a control character to force it as emoji.

ricecake , 1 month ago

Totally. It’s double weird, because it’s not a petitionable issue, it’s a form where you make your case and a committee decides, and they already have the symbol and they just seem to want it to be usable like 💲, which isn’t a thing.

catloaf , 1 month ago

www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/…/index.htm

FaceDeer , 1 month ago

It's a specific type of thing, but it's not a brand. Nobody owns the trademark for Bitcoin. Anyone can buy, sell, or mine Bitcoin. It's no more a specific product than dollars are a specific product.

If they added a Bitcoin logo, then you'd see every other crypto lining up to get their logos permanently installed on every person's devices, too.

Is there a problem with that? This isn't "advertising", these are unicode symbols. There are unicode symbols for all kinds of things. Every currency has unicode symbols, why not cryptocurrencies?

beeb , 1 month ago

Surely the Tokyo tower is a specific product then? 🗼It costs money to visit, aren’t the other towers jealous?

magic_lobster_party , 1 month ago

https://unicode.org/emoji/proposals.html#Faulty_Comparison

The Tokyo Tower🗼(a specific building) does not justify adding the Eiffel Tower.

Many historical emoji violate current factors for inclusion. Once an emoji is encoded it cannot be removed from the Unicode Standard.

It was added when Unicode Consortium had different guidelines. They don’t accept specific buildings anymore.

Under automatically declined:

Specific buildings, structures, landmarks, or other locations, whether fictional, historic, or modern.

beeb , 1 month ago

Thanks for the explanation

Phen , 1 month ago

The creator of bitcoin is as unknown as batman’s identity. The folks at the center of the main blockchain companies and stuff like that all know pretty well who created it, they just play along with the story.

AnarchistsForKamala , 1 month ago

if this is true, there would be some evidence

Phen , 1 month ago

Oh, there is. But while they keep this game up, there’s still plausible deniability for everything.

AnarchistsForKamala , 1 month ago

if you can’t present evidence, then you’re just spreading uncertainty and doubt.

dhork , 1 month ago

If whoever invented Bitcoin is still on this earth, they have a bit of a conundrum. Since we can track all transactions, and we know roughly how long Satoshi was mining the first bitcoins before other people got involved, those early accounts are sitting on over 1 million BTC. Even after today’s dump, that’s still over $50 billion. And for reference, the Koch family is 25th on Forbe’s infamous list, estimated to be worth about $56B. So that person is one of the richest people on the planet.

However, those coins continue to remain unspent. And once they are moved in any transaction, the entire world will know. That leads to an inherent assumption that those 1M coins (out of 21M that can ever exist) must be irretrievably lost (due to their private keys being deleted), so most have taken that out of the active supply when estimating BTC value. Once they are moved, the price will probably crash – at least 5%, but more likely much more than that. He is among the richest people in the world on paper, but if he moves any of it his wealth will collapse.

However, one doesn’t have to move coins to prove they own them. Anyone with the private keys could cryptographically sign a message saying “I am Satoshi” with one of the early keys and immediately have 100% credibility. The fact that this hasn’t happened means that those keys likely not longer exist. (I, personally, think Hal Finney took those keys to the grave with him, and Craig Wright is a big fat liar.)

AlDente , 1 month ago

No single wallet has even close to 1 million Bitcoins. It’s a public block chain and you can find a list of the largest wallets in a website like this: bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-bitcoin-address…

Also, regarding the unfair advantage of the genesis block, Bitcoin’s code was actually written in a way that prevents this balance from being transfered. It’s forever locked in the wallet at this address: 1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa.

dhork , 1 month ago

True, the Genesis Block is fixed, but it’s speculated that Satoshi did most of the mining during Bitcoin’s initial experiment. I have seen estimates online that the first 22k blocks were mined almost exclusively by Satoshi, all to different BTC addresses, 50 BTC each. Worth practically nothing back then but worth over 2.5M today. Every 10 minutes or so, Satoshi found another one.

0xD , 1 month ago

Satoshi Nakamoto is some kind of consipracy…?

bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

0xD , 1 month ago

Satoshi Nakamoto.

bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

rottingleaf , 1 month ago

Why in the world would you have “emojis” as part of Unicode anyway?

We already have a way to have endless “emojis” without administrative stupidity, it’s called JPEG.

If you need to show text as that, we’ve had smileys since 90s.

xthexder , 1 month ago

Would you rather send an entire JPEG over text message for an emoji? Or just 4 bytes of unicode right inline where you want it? Unicode having a standard set of emoji is actually incredibly useful and reduces complexity. I guess it would disincentivize 👏 emoji 👏 spam 👏 to use JPEGs tho.

rottingleaf , 1 month ago

I’d send :-} and :-\ and =P and D= instead of an emoji. As the founding fathers intended.

TheGrandNagus , 1 month ago

You do that. 👍

xthexder , 1 month ago

There’s even more use cases that come up, like being able to use emoji and other fancy symbols anywhere unicode is supported. So you can even program with them. People have taken that idea to the extreme just for fun: www.emojicode.org

rottingleaf , 1 month ago

Other special symbols are a different thing. For APL language or others.

They are useful, provided you have them on your keyboard or you have configurable extra keys.

Symbols specifically for emoji - I mean, people can do what they want with code space, even if I’d rather see another obscure alphabet standardized there. Medieval Armenian or Russian musical notation, for example. Something real .

TheGrandNagus , 1 month ago (edited 1 month ago)

How aren’t emoji “real”?

This just comes across as “old man yells at cloud” to me tbh.

interdimensionalmeme , 1 month ago

Just send the file hash and only download a copy if you don’t have it.

interdimensionalmeme , 1 month ago

Hmm, why do we need a corporation to be arbitter of the written language anyway ? If they want to use it, they should just use it.If they can’t because of some central authority then Unicode is is to be abolished and replace with a system where you can usev wherever squiggle that you want and nobody gets a second opinion. You just do it.

noodlejetski , 1 month ago

an emoji for cryptocurrency

💩🪙

Zetta , 1 month ago

I mean it has its issues but a non regulated currency not controlled by a government is cool imo

RecluseRamble , 1 month ago

Its supposed benefits are vastly overshadowed by their only practical application: allowing online crime to flourish.

Mubelotix , 1 month ago

I suppose you don’t use cash then. Come on, there is almost no online crime anyway

RecluseRamble , 1 month ago

I can buy almost everything with cash but with shitcoins I can only pay ransom. And the FBI probably won’t agree there’s virtually no online crime.

desktop_user , 1 month ago

Semi-legal activities such as donating to wanted individuals, purchasing non regulated non illegal to ship medicine, purchasing digital goods (such as commissioned art) from countries that were banned by SWIFT (Russia).

azalty , 1 month ago

I’ve already paid a lot of legal things and donated a lot with crypto. It’s pretty much the only way to pay online without giving away your personal info

Zetta , 1 month ago

¯_(ツ)_/¯ drug users gotta get their drugs

shortwavesurfer , 1 month ago

Criminals use what works. So therefore that means that crypto actually does its job as a real currency that cannot be controlled. Criminals also have a habit of using auto mobiles, guns, computers, shoes, etc.

calcopiritus , 1 month ago

If criminals only used cars from brand X and nobody else used brand X, it would be viewed the same.

There are plenty of currencies out there, which normal people use. Cryptocurrencies are mainly used by criminals though.

shortwavesurfer , 1 month ago

Chain analysis companies whose whole reason for existing is selling exchanges and governments software to track illicit cryptocurrency transactions show that less than 1% of transactions are illicit in nature. So I don’t know how that means the majority of crypto is used for illicit finance.

calcopiritus , 1 month ago

Had to go out and find a source myself.

…europa.eu/…/Europol Spotlight - Cryptocurrencies…

Private companies say less than 1%. Academia says around 20%. That’s a huge difference to only cite one side of the story.

shortwavesurfer , 1 month ago

That’s a good point. It’s pretty safe to assume that private companies would want to downplay it as much as possible and academia for governments and shit would want to play it up as much as possible. So the real number probably truly lies somewhere in between those two.

sukhmel , 1 month ago

The main issue is that it tries to fix government trust issues with private actors trust issues. It’s still trust issues

SorteKanin , 1 month ago

I don’t think it should have an emoji either, but how does this rule apply to real currencies being emojis? I mean there is dollar banknote 💵 and yen banknote 💴 and euro banknote 💶 as separate emojis, not just a general money one. And honestly, even most of the emojis referencing anything that has to do with money uses dollar signs, i.e. $. Were these rules made after these emojis were already added?

Chozo , 1 month ago

I saw this get brought up a lot. I think the difference is that currency symbols generally don't refer to a specific currency. USD and AUS both use the $ symbol, for example. "Dollar" and "American Dollar" aren't the same thing since other types of dollars exist, and the symbols are still technically multi-purpose, whereas the ₿ symbol technically refers only to Bitcoin.

That's my theory on the reasoning, at least.

magic_lobster_party , 1 month ago

It probably falls under faulty comparison:

https://unicode.org/emoji/proposals.html#Faulty_Comparison

Their guidelines change, and it’s possible these emoji were added with old guidelines. They can’t remove old emoji, which means specific buildings like Tokyo Tower🗼is an emoji, even if they prohibit the addition of specific buildings nowadays.

qaz , 1 month ago

It makes a lot more sense to implement this the way country flags are implemented in Unicode.

magic_lobster_party , 1 month ago

The problem with having cryptocurrency as emoji is agreeing on the specification how it should be drawn, and also make it different enough from already existing emojis such as coin 🪙. It is not exactly a tangible thing.

Corkyskog , 1 month ago

Just make it the B symbol they use in the coin? None of the others would exist in their current fashion, without Bitcoin anyway.

echodot , 1 month ago

Bitcoin is a brand name there which means they can’t do that. Also if bitcoin deserves its own symbol (and I don’t think it necessarily does) then all the cryptocurrencies such as ethereum also deserve one.

technocrit , 1 month ago

Windows wouldn’t have existed without DOS so it’s logo should be the DOS logo. Likewise the USD emoji should be a pile of gold. \s

lemmytellyousomething , 1 month ago (edited 1 month ago)

Short reminder that Bitcoin was created as a reaction on the world finance crisis and to allow people like Assange to receive donations, because PayPal and similar just blocked them…

That does not mean that Botcoin is perfect, but: If the alternative system was perfect, there was not bitcoin.

Now, do we need an emoji? I don’t care TBH…

echodot , 1 month ago

I don’t mind a system like bitcoin existing but bitcoin itself has way too many problems to be useful and actually is detrimental to the environment. It takes way too long to process a transaction, it is massively energy intensive for what it is, and it’s been hyped up like the Californian gold Rush.

Sure it was created to solve a problem but it doesn’t actually solve that problem very effectively. It also introduces an infinite number of new problems that no other currency system has ever experienced.

technocrit , 1 month ago

It also introduces an infinite number of new problems that no other currency system has ever experienced.

Infinite problems, eh? Can you name like 10?

smeeps , 1 month ago

Bitcoin is terrible for that though. High transaction fees, slow transaction speeds, everyone can see your balances and transactions (and with KYC requirements it’s very easy to link a wallet and a coin to a person).

Monero is the only digital currency worth having.

deafboy , 1 month ago

Monero is great. Except for the fact that when the dev team dislikes what miners are doing, they introduce a new arbitrary rule, and everyone just goes with it. Having a process to introduce such changes unilaterally is a bug that needs to be fixed first.

Also, there’s a lightning network which allows you to transact bitcoin fast and cheap. Although the privacy aspect is still not solved there.

technocrit , 1 month ago

No! Bitcoin is a scam created by scammers! Don’t look at state currencies!!! \s

smallpatatas OP , 1 month ago

This is like saying “laws aren’t always enforced equally, so we should have no laws whatsoever”. Bitcoin is not a helpful response.

lemmytellyousomething , 1 month ago

I think, whether it’s helpful is an individual decision. E.g. for people in Turkey, it’s a lot more stable than their own currency. Same logic for probably dozens of other countries…

Maybe, it’s not useful for you, but that’s OK. No one is trying to replace your currency with it and force you to use it.

smallpatatas OP , 1 month ago

Bitcoin’s “value” in USD terms has dropped ~20% in the last few days, so I’m not sure we can call it ‘stable’

iopq , 1 month ago

In 1998 the USD fell like 20% vs the yen, currencies don’t always stay the same value vs. other currencies

smallpatatas OP , 1 month ago

Bitcoin regularly loses 85% of its “value” vs USD

85%

This has happened multiple times

lemmytellyousomething , 1 month ago (edited 1 month ago)

Turkey’s currency dropped 83% in the last 5 years and 94% in 10 years (per USD). And by the way: It dropped and did not rise the same amount ever again…

Why can’t we just agree that different people might have different views whether it’s useful for them?

Is it more stable compared to USD? No. Is it more stable compared to dozens of other currencies? Yes.

I think, there are very good arguments against BTC, for example the energy consunption… But whether it’s too risky for you or not… That’s highly subjective IMO. There is no country on this planet with only BTC as official currency. So, no one is forced to hold 100% of their total money in BTC.

smallpatatas OP , 1 month ago

So the argument is no longer “Bitcoin provides stability” or whatever, but instead is, “it’s no more unstable than the world’s most unstable national currency”?

lemmytellyousomething , 1 month ago

Please tell me where I (or anyone) wrote “Bitcoin provides stability” without comparing it to another currency…

I assume, arguing with you is an endless circle where you argue against fake arguments that no one has brought up. I’ll therefore end this here. Why are you like this?

smallpatatas OP , 1 month ago

Hey look, I wasn’t the one that wrote this:

“E.g. for people in Turkey, it’s a lot more stable than their own currency. Same logic for probably dozens of other countries…”

Is the “dozens of other countries” statement something you no longer stand behind, or are you done being rude?

iopq , 1 month ago

The swings were bigger when the market cap was smaller, this is usually the case. The market cap of the yen is much bigger still.

smallpatatas OP , 1 month ago

Turns out you’re right, BTC price only went down 77% from the 2021 peak, my mistake /s

autonomoususer , 1 month ago

Proprietary money is a scam.

AlwaysTheir , 1 month ago

I agree but I’m not sure BTC fit the definition of proprietary money I’m finding online. How does BTC qualify in your opinion?

autonomoususer , 1 month ago

Libre

sturmblast , 1 month ago

Fuck Emojis

schnurrito , 1 month ago

It was a mistake that the Unicode people started to add emoji of their own at all ever in the first place.

My understanding is that emoji were originally added because they existed in other preexisting standards. They should have kept it at that. Now we get public discussions what concepts are important enough to “deserve” emoji, which is a stupid, pointless discussion that could have been avoided if they had not started doing that. We were able to communicate just fine before emoji were a thing.

P4ulin_Kbana , 1 month ago

I disagree with your opinion.

daddy32 , 1 month ago (edited 1 month ago)

If boobs don’t have their emoji, bitcoin doesn’t deserve it either!

uriel238 , 1 month ago

We have an established tradition to represent sexual characteristics with fruit. 🍆, 🍑, 🍈 🍈.

To be fair, I whenever I go to market and see the eggplants, I feel inadequate. Also in the last decade many of the more classical substitutes have emerged in the emoji library. 🌶️, 🥒, 🥚🥚, 🌮, 🍪, 🎂, 🎃🎃

isolatedscotch , 1 month ago

what’s the cookie supposed to mean?

uriel238 , 1 month ago

I think the same thing as 🍑, or 🌮, but in the context of pleasantly getting a peek due to a brief wardrobe malfunction. At least that’s the context in which I’ve seen it.

TootSweet , 1 month ago

Cryptocurrency is speedrunning ruining everything. We might as well have a laugh at the cryptobros’ expense in the meantime.

mp3 , 1 month ago

I loved the concept at first, the idea of a decentralized currency all handled by encryption, and transactions permamently stored in a public ledger for all to see.

Then the cryptobros and the scammers caught wind of it and it’s all downhill from there.

shortwavesurfer , 1 month ago

Scammers use the technology because it actually works and does what it says it does. And criminals and scammers and such are generally the first ones to adopt a new technology. Such as bank robbers adopting the automobile in order to get away faster.

TootSweet , 1 month ago

If you want the name of a payment techology that isn’t snake oil, isn’t blockchain-based, isn’t a cult, doesn’t claim to be a currency, doesn’t work on proof-of-work or proof-of-stake, but actually does provide certain privacy guarantees for your basic purchasing needs, is cryptographically secure, and can be used with only FOSS, I recommend looking into GNU Taler.

The only downside is that it’s not really supported anywhere at all yet. But I do hope it becomes a real thing some day.

mp3 , 1 month ago

Thanks, I’ll read on it :)

radamant , 1 month ago

Please describe how I can send the money to my mom in Russia (disconnected from SWIFT) with GNU Taler today. I’ll wait.

TootSweet , 1 month ago

I don’t know how I could possibly have been more explicit about it not yet being ready for any real-world use cases than I was.

radamant , 1 month ago

It will never be ready. It doesn’t even make sense. To transact with real fiat like the US dollar, you’ll have to go through an official on-ramp and an off-ramp of the respective government. And to do an international transaction you’ll have to use one of the widely accepted systems like SWIFT. GNU Taler doesn’t appear to address anything like that. Anyhow, my comment was made with the premise of this whole thread in mind, i.e. “Bitcoin is stupid” or “snake oil”. Yet there’s no alternatives to what crypto provides. So is it that stupid after all?

explodicle , 1 month ago

How wasteful!

Anyhow, today I’m going to resume using a currency backed by oil and nukes, which encourages consumption on purpose. I will then either exploit workers by investing in a for-profit business, or get poorer.

But someday, in the future, economics will work the way I expect them to. That’s when I’ll switch to something better!

iopq , 1 month ago

Russia has had oil and nukes and it didn’t stop the ruble from collapsing in the 90s

Maybe reexamine your assumptions

explodicle , 1 month ago

Oil and nukes won’t stop the dollar from collapsing either…

index , 1 month ago

lol the downvotes. your mom is clearly evil and doesn’t deserve any money

shortwavesurfer , 1 month ago

Exactly. With Monero, she gets it in seconds and no one can stop it.

EngineerGaming , 1 month ago

Yea, that is interesting! I don’t really understand a lot of it though. Wonder how censorship-resistant it can be, and whether the receiver would be able to cash it out anonymously.

TootSweet , 1 month ago

I’m not an expert on it, but I’ve done a certain amount of study on it.

I’m pretty sure there are no privacy guarantees for money receivers. Merchants/sellers would still be identifiable by banks and governments and such. So Taler isn’t what anyone selling heroin or doing murder for hire would want to be using as an accepted payment method. (At least not any more so than credit/debit card transactions will help the seller with keeping their doings secret.)

But Taler can keep the buyers’ identity secret. Unless you’re doing things in ways that reveal information about yourself, your bank and your government wouldn’t know you were buying fursuits even if they knew the merchant was selling fursuits.

So all that to say that no, the merchant couldn’t cash out anonymously.

EngineerGaming , 1 month ago

What I don’t understand is whether it is like “Taler is obtained and cashed out only in a bank, but the link between two events is unknown” or if Taler can change hands during said “link”.

If the former - I really hope it gets implemented as a card replacement, but it would need to coexist with something like Monero (which is what I use now) that is more akin to cash. But I really hope that somehow non-blockchain full-on “digital cash” could one day be invented, so wonder if this could be it :)

TootSweet , 1 month ago

How I understand it is:

• You go to your bank (or use a webapp or whatever) who knows who you are and get them to initiate a withdrawl from your bank account to your Taler wallet in the amount of, say $100.
• The balance in your Taler wallet goes up by $100. The bank also decrements your bank account by $100 and puts that $100 in an escrow holding intending to pay it to whatever recipient(s) can provide cryptographic proof that you gave them Taler.
• You go to a merchant and pay out of that $100 Taler balance $9 for a cheeseburger and fries.
• The merchant receives $9 in Taler from you and checks with your bank that that $9 hasn’t already been spent previously before concluding the payment process and giving you your receipt and burger.
• You now have a burger and fries and your Taler balance is $91.
• But the merchant doesn’t learn anything about your identity in the process. But they do have proof that your bank has $9 in escrow earmarked for them (the merchant) specifically.
• And your bank doesn’t know which of their customers to which they’ve ever given Taler is the one buying from the merchant in question. They just know that of the total sum of Taler they’ve issued that hasn’t been collected yet, $9 is earmarked for such-and-such merchant/burger joint.
• The merchant can settle up any time, but theoretically the bank can charge per-transaction fees. In order to minimize fees, it behooves the merchant to batch up settlements. The merchant can claim actual USD for every dollar that was used at that establishment by customers via Taler over, say, the last week or whatever in one big settlement batched transaction.

I’m leaving out some details, but that should give you a decent idea of how things work with Taler.

Now, as for this bit:

if Taler can change hands during said “link”.

That, I’m not sure of. It might be that you can transfer Taler from your wallet to someone else’s wallet (that they could then spend) without any identities being revealed, though they wouldn’t be able to get real USD or whatever without working with your bank which would generally insist on confirming their identity. But I’d think in order for the recipient in that situation to know that they actually had real Taler and not Taler that you had already spent and that wouldn’t actually work if they tried to spend it or cash it in, they’d have to make basically an API call to your bank, though unless the bank blocked all traffic from every VPN and traffic anonymizer (like Tor or I2p) in existence, I see no reason why it couldn’t be done in a way that preserved the recipient’s anonymity.

So yeah. Not sure. But even if that bit isn’t a thing, I still want Taler to take off.

EngineerGaming , 1 month ago

Ah, so probably would not work to evade censorship/sanctions. I would REALLY love to use such a thing instead of my card though.

index , 1 month ago

isn’t blockchain-based, doesn’t work on proof-of-work or proof-of-stake

These things weren’t introduced as a gimmick they are used to solve specific problems.

unautrenom , 1 month ago (edited 1 month ago)

The only downside is that it’s not really supported anywhere at all yet. But I do hope it becomes a real thing some day.

AFAIK there’s a lot of talk about making GNU Taler the basis for the ‘digital Euro’ which is curently being debated at the EU Parliement.

deafboy , 1 month ago

GNU Taller is pretty fragile, though. One bank issues unbacked tokens and the credibility of the whole system goes down the drain. It’s the current financial system, just rebranded. Also, it promotes taxation which automatically makes it a cult & scam.

TootSweet , 1 month ago (edited 1 month ago)

One bank issues unbacked tokens

1. The Taler protocol has bank auditors built-in.
2. Your hypothetical would just as much apply to existing debit cards.
3. Unbacked tokens. You mean like Tether? (Let alone Terra.)

Also, it promotes taxation which automatically makes it a cult & scam?

The fuck? How does Taler “promote taxation?”

Fuckin’ Libertarians.

deafboy , 1 month ago

Unbacked tokens. You mean like Tether?

Exactly like Tether. USDT was never backed 1:1 by USD. They don’t even try to deny it anymore. They admit it’s backed by “various assets, including BTC”, which smells like a market manipulation.

How does Taler promote taxation?

“Customers can stay anonymous, but merchants can not hide their income through payments with GNU Taler. This helps to avoid tax evasion and money laundering.”

• taler.net/en/features.html

TootSweet , 1 month ago

Thank you for being honest about being pro-tax-evasion and pro-money-laundering.

Melvin_Ferd , 1 month ago

Did they or did a bunch of media get pushed that told us all what these crypto bros were doing like shitting on beaches and taking our jobs.

Seriously though I’m picking up on a trend that a lot media has a greater influence on opinion then I’ve ever seen before

blind3rdeye , 1 month ago

I liked the idea for awhile as well. But for me, learning about the “proof of work” underpinning is what changed my mind. That - and the fact that cryptocurrency does not actually have any of the strengths that it claims to have. It’s definitely and interesting idea… but in practice it’s all just scams and incentivised waste.

deafboy , 1 month ago

That’s interesting. I’ve initially written it off as a scam. Until I’ve learned about the proof-of-work.

FaceDeer , 1 month ago

Bitcoin is over 15 years old now, that's not a particularly fast speedrun.

index , 1 month ago

I would rather point my finger at wall street or financial institutions not at the tools that offers a viable option to avoid these

ConstantPain , 1 month ago (edited 1 month ago)

How is it like to have nothing going on in your life so you create a petition about emojis?

smallpatatas OP , 1 month ago

Uh oh guys, we got a salty bag holder 😂

androogee , 1 month ago

They edited their post about an hour after you replied. Just a heads up.

smallpatatas OP , 1 month ago

Thanks. Although to be honest I’m not sure what their edit was - does Lemmy not have a way to view a post’s edit history?? Seems like a problem…

androogee , 1 month ago

I don’t think so, presumably mods can.

dan , 1 month ago

You don’t get a new Emoji by creating a change.org petition lol

You need to write a proper proposal and send it to the Unicode consortium: unicode.org/emoji/proposals.html. If it gets rejected, it’s four years until you can reapply for the same Emoji.

lud , 1 month ago

A Bitcoin emoji was rejected in 2020 i doubt it will be any different this time.

dan , 1 month ago

Yeah I doubt it’d be approved… I was just saying that there’s an actual process that has to be followed. The Unicode consortium aren’t going to care about a Change .org partition that gets maybe 20k signatures at most given billions of people use Unicode and they’ve got proper processes to go through.

lud , 1 month ago

I absolutely agree with you.

brbposting , 1 month ago

Overnight a terrible proposal on the first day, get it rejected for everyone for four years

(I know they’d look at others)