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PenisDuckCuck9001 , (edited )

If it gets to the point where we have to pay a monthly fee to use computer peripherals I’m going to dedicate all my spare time to making open source alternatives. Become ungovernable.

Jolteon ,

There’s already plenty of open source alternatives. Mouse drivers are relatively simple.

thearch ,

What the actual ever living fuck happened in his brain to create this thought

PersonalDevKit ,

Endless meetings all focused around creating value for shareholders at any expense

UselesslyBrisk ,

logitech’s software is trash across the board.

Have their MX keyboard and their logi+ software regualrly craps out making the function/special keys unusable until i log off/back on. Sometimes WHILE im using the keyboard.

And their gaming stuff is no better. Many times just having the logitech g suite software running means my mic will randomly stop working, if i remove the software the headset runs fine.

ichbinjasokreativ ,

I use their G Hub to remap my mouse buttons and sometimes my config just gets ignored and I increase mouse sensibility instead of pausing the music

SaharaMaleikuhm ,

Give autohotkey a try instead. I was able to get rid of the Logitech software because of it.

Binette ,

Lmao what happens if you don’t pay?

And009 ,

Oh Deere!

absGeekNZ ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

But the Ploopy mouse already exists.

01189998819991197253 ,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

That’s a $130 (US, I’m assuming) mouse. Looks dope, though

absGeekNZ ,
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

$100 - $135 Canada style monies. +$27 for shipping to New Zealand. So up $160CAD…very expensive for a mouse, but not as crazy as some gaming mice.

01189998819991197253 ,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Low supply / small batch, with open source software and (it seems) hardware. Logitech MX Master 3S is $140 CAD, and it’s fully closed source. I’d say their price is in line with these types of premium mice. BUT it’s too much for mouse anyway lol

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

The site apparently doesn’t resizes images in a smart way.

https://quokk.au/pictrs/image/d30c491d-1fc8-4b56-988d-908ac8ee0a1a.jpeg

Or these mice need a diet.

cmrn ,

I’d be more willing to pay Logitech for a subscription to never have to touch their software again.

Zier ,
@Zier@fedia.io avatar

When companies that sell physical products like peripherals (as an example) try to invoke the subscription model, it just says that they are failing and desperate for profits.
Which means that other products are available and better.

Sabin10 ,

Except their mice are built better and last longer than any of the popular gaming brands. I’ve owned 4 logitech nice in my life and that would be every mouse I’ve owned since 1995 and only one of those actually died. People complain about their razer mice lasting 3 years and then go out and buy another one as if that’s normal meanwhile you can easily get 5+ years out of a logitech mouse.

conciselyverbose ,

5 years isn’t a long lifespan.

ramchak , (edited )

I have owned 3 G203 mice (never again) and they have all failed the same way, with the left mouse button switch failing and causing double clicks/inability to select anything without resetting.

Quality must depend on which model you get.

Zier ,
@Zier@fedia.io avatar

I used to only buy logitech, but having a $125. mouse freak out after a few years, and I never game, that's sad.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

I’m kind of surprised they haven’t decided to do what MS does with controller, or smart watch manufacturers do with watch bands. Create unique collectible colors, have a design lab, etc. Let people treat mice like sunglasses. A fashion accessory that you occasionally change or augment for aesthetic reasons.

I don’t need a new mouse ever year, but I might be down to change it’s shell.

witx ,

Please don’t. we already produce and waste a lot of plastic as it is

blackwateropeth ,

Ah yes, the industry first MaaS. What will they think of next. nuclear facepalm

bitchkat ,

Well that means I need to find a new mouse because of them even suggesting this crap. I really like my MX Master. Beefy with some weight.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

Or just buy 4-5 now and last the next decade.

Shame there’s no a mechanical mouse movement to create an industry of high quality alternatives we can buy.

WheelcharArtist ,

my forever mouse is a 15+ years old mx518

rubicon ,

Right? If it was a g604 I might be tempted…

Toribor ,
@Toribor@corndog.social avatar

Side question since this concept is obviously rent seeking… Why is there not a market for premium custom mice like there are for keyboards?

All the mice over the ~$80 range seem to only be gamer mice or focus on adding more and more buttons. Why aren’t there options that are customizable or more premium?

I get that no one wants a solid machined aluminum mouse but surely there is something more premium than adding more buttons.

Magister ,
@Magister@lemmy.world avatar

It’s trackball that are premium in fact

Cuttlefish1111 ,

This concept should be expanded to every industry so the idea itself is abandoned and the thought of subscription shows its poor quality or subscription based

fhqwgads , (edited )

Custom keyboards took off because of mechanical switches. Back in the day people wanted mechanical switches because they last longer than membrane ones, and so you wound up with a bunch of companies producing relatively easy to manufacture mechanical switches. Those switches all felt and sounded a little different so you got people who wanted a specific feel and sound and it grew from there.

There hasn’t really been the same push with mice because even really cheap ones work really well. Optical sensors are way harder to produce than key switches, and while there are a few different ones on the market other than dpi and polling rate they kind of all act the same - it kind of either tracks right or it doesn’t. There’s no differentiation unlike switches that are “tactile” or “linear” or “scratchy”. And because of size restrictions you can’t really have the same kind of switches as keyboards use for the buttons. And unlike the really niche keyboard people who do their own PCB and machine their own case, making a good mouse on your own from scratch is way more difficult. They’re weird shaped and it’s much more difficult to change things like optical tracking algorithms compared to macros on a 40% keyboard. You can do a run of 100 super niche keyboards and make it work, but just the injection molds for one mouse mean you need to make 10000, which stops it being a project and makes it a business.

There are premium mice manufacturers, but in general they either are going super light, super ergonomic, or super functional - and honestly they have a hard time competing with a company like Logitech that can produce really similar features for a fraction of the cost and have a decent reputation to boot.

absGeekNZ , (edited )
@absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz avatar

But the Ploopy mouse already exists.

tiredofsametab ,

I will learn to build a mouse and write my own damn drivers first.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

I actually know how to do this off the top of my head and you don’t need to write a driver for it, you could simply use an Arduino Micro.

The Micro (and other Arduino-compatible Atmel ATMEGA 32u4-based microcontrollers) have native USB support so they have a library you can import that will work with generic USB keyboard/mouse drivers. It would be up to you to rig up the sensors and buttons, make a case and write a little firmware.

tiredofsametab ,

Nice! Thank you!

whodatdair , (edited )

Hilarious. Logitech’s software has always been an afterthought and now they want me to pay for it? Goooo fuck yourselves. I had to sell a perfectly good keyboard and mouse because their stupid g-hub is harder to navigate than a g-spot.

It kept doing updates and every time it did, it would clobber all my macros and bindings and basically factory reset. I had a txt document on my desktop with all my configs so I could set them back up whenever it decided the configuration gods required a sacrifice.

rtxn , (edited )

G-hub also doesn’t work on Linux, which is actually a massive advantage. I use Solaar with a couple of shell scripts and it’s amazing. (edit) Actually it’s a Python app, so it might even work on Windows.

I’ve also had to blacklist the HID++ kernel module because high-res scrolling on a loose, mushy ratcheting wheel is awful.

Lost_My_Mind ,

…I feel sorry for your girlfriend/wife.

victorz ,

Go on, tell us how you work the spot, G Man.

Naich ,
@Naich@lemmings.world avatar

You basically have to go behind the clitoris and stimulate it from the back while working it from the front with your tongue.

forgotaboutlaye ,

Damn you got a lucky mouse

saddlebag ,

Almost spat out my food, thanks

whostosay ,

Our boys dick looks like the lower case letter ‘u’ well done

Lost_My_Mind ,

For hours.

whodatdair ,

My girlfriend doesn’t have one, teehee 🤭

stoy ,

I started boycotting them when they started forcing a program to be downloaded, installed and run automatically on any pc running Windows 10 just by plugging a Logitech mouse/keyboard in to the USB port.

It installes through Windows Update, and is called Logitech Download Helper.

I am fine with Windows Update supplying and installing drivers, but using it to deploy program is scummy…

So now, I am on Xtrfy mice and Ducky keyboards.

Lippy ,
@Lippy@fedia.io avatar

G Hub doesn't work with my old trusty G11 keyboard either. Since it's both required for Logitech's newer peripherals and also requires uninstalling the old Logitech Gaming Software which would reduce the functionality of my keyboard, it effectively banishes any future consideration for Logitech's peripherals.

It's basically moot since I run Linux now, but I don't fancy the quality of Logitech's products either these days. It's a shame since their stuff used to be really solid. My X540 speakers are as old as my keyboard (16 years) and also refuse to die.

Lemminary ,

I already pay a subscription when I have to keep buying the hardware designed to break. I don’t think I’ve ever had a middle mouse button working for long.

It’s so much bullshit and it’s getting shittier.

Lost_My_Mind ,

It’s so much bullshit and it’s getting shittier.

Unclear if you’re talking about technology, or life.

Lemminary ,

Hmm… yes.

victorz ,

I don’t understand what you all are doing with your mice. I’ve had mine for years, and the one before it, years. I only changed because I wanted to upgrade, too.

Meanwhile I’m always on Discord with my buddy complaining that his mouse broke, again. This mf fingers must weigh a fk ton bruh.

SkaveRat ,

lots of people smack their mice on the table out of rage.

Do that a lot, and they will not last very long

Lemminary ,

I wish it were my unmanageable rage, but it’s usually a regular old click that does them in. Maybe I have superhuman strength in my index finger and haven’t noticed it.

Lemminary ,

I just like to middle-click things. I opened a Logitech mouse once and found out that the bridge that presses the button internally is way thinner than a toothpick and my frail little fingers are stronger than it for inexplicable reasons. :(

apt_install_coffee ,

If it’s a G502/702, they’ve got a very fucky scroll wheel & middle click; it’s actually a lemon, but since nothing else works with the wireless pads they’re the only options.

Lippy ,
@Lippy@fedia.io avatar

I can vouch for that. For me it's the scroll wheel.

I've been through a Logitech G703 and a Corsair Sabre Pro and both failed the same way. I've also seen it happen to a Razer Deathadder Essential. The shitty mechanical encoder goes janky after a few months and basically makes scrolling unusable, as scrolling the mouse wheel either doesn't get detected or is interpreted as going the opposite direction. Yeah they can be 'fixed' by either blasting air into it which sometimes works for a bit or worst case, soldering on a replacement encoder, but even that's just a temporary fix as it's only a matter of time before that fails too. I can't deal with unreliability like that.

Older mice more commonly used to use optical encoders which tend to last much longer but finding a new mouse with an optical encoder isn't as easy. I finally broke down and got a Zowie the other day which should hold up a bit better in theory and only time will tell. I feel silly spending so much on a mouse, but I just want one that works.

Boozilla ,
@Boozilla@lemmy.world avatar

!fucksubscriptions

TheGrandNagus ,

Oh man I was hoping this would be a sub for alternatives to subscriptions, rather than just pointing out that everything is going to a subscription model.

Boozilla ,
@Boozilla@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not against the rules of that community to post alternatives. I suspect the community members would love that.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Alternative to subscription based mouse…any other fucking mouse. Hell, I’d rather use that piece of crap they sell at walgreens for $15.99. It looks like crap, has only 2 buttons, is wired, but it doesn’t have a damn subscription.

shyguyblue ,

My Halo account name is [email protected]

Fuck you Microsoft, fuck you Logitech, if the Internet goes down, I’m fucked…

ArbiterXero ,

I always give “[email protected]”

That way datasets are harder to correlate and I know who leaked 😝

H4mi ,

That’s what I’ve been doing since 2002. If I get spam, I set up a forward to their customer service.

eronth ,

Oh neat, I think I might subscribe to that community.

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