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Traveling this summer? Maybe don’t let the airport scan your face.

  • Travelers can opt out of facial recognition at US airports by requesting manual ID verification, though resistance or intimidation may occur.
  • Facial recognition poses privacy risks, including potential data breaches, misidentification, and normalization of surveillance.
  • The Algorithmic Justice League’s “Freedom Flyers” campaign aims to raise awareness of these issues and encourage passengers to exercise their right to opt out.
technocrit ,

Planes <<<<<< trains.

GoogleSellsAds ,
@GoogleSellsAds@sh.itjust.works avatar

You’re too smart for this site. I too love taking trains across both the Pacific and Atlantic oceans!

TechNerdWizard42 ,

I’d actually love to take some sort of sea train, underground tunnel or floating death wave train one day. It wouldn’t be relaxing, peaceful, or cheap. But it would be an adventure.

Warp10Lizard ,

Agreed, but they’ll inevitably fuck those up too.

al4s ,

For distances >600km, flying is usually 4x-10x faster at a similar price. At least in and around Germany. I assume in the US trains compare way worse, also because the distances are way larger.

Examples: “Normal” example: Stuttgart (Germany) -> Amsterdam (Netherlands) Train: 11h 10min - 241€ Plane: 1h 20min - 225€

Best case scenario for train in Germany at around that distance (because there’s a direct connection): München -> Berlin Train: 3h 54min - 167€ Plane: 1h 5min - 226€

Kolrami ,

Hour vs. hour it’s the best form of transportation

You get more space, there’s no TSA, you don’t get charged for bringing luggage, you can carry on liquids, you get leg room, the wifi is decent.

But if I’m traveling a really far distance… For example, if I’m going from California to New York I’d rather go by plane. Going by train for that seems to be pretty horrible. America is in desperate need of a ground transportation that can get from California to New York quickly.

Liz ,

If we put in a mag-lev system that averages 250 mph from station to station, an overnight sleeper train across the country becomes extremely attractive.

Chee_Koala ,

There is a sleeper train from Amsterdam to Vienna, last 2 / 3 years I checked it was sold out almost everyday. It seems like the perfect mode of transport

sugar_in_your_tea ,

if I’m going from California to New York

Yup, that’s like 70-80 hours, depending on where in CA you’re leaving from. So you’ll be on that train for 3 days, and have to change trains 2-4 times. The plus side is that it’s cost-competitive w/ flying ($400-ish, vs $200-ish flying), but that’s for coach, so you’d spend those 3 days sleeping in a chair. If you want a sleeper room, that’s like $2k.

A direct flight would take 5-ish hours and cost $200-ish.

There’s a reason nobody rides trains in the US, and it’s because it takes way too long and it’s too expensive. It would be a fun experience, but not great if you’re using it for transportation.

Fades ,

They are very much incomparable more so than they are comparable. Try taking a train over a sea or across a country like the US.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Exactly. I live near SLC, and to get to SF would take:

  • ~19 hours by train and cost $92 in coach
  • ~11 hours by car - $60 in gas in my hybrid, $130 in my minivan
  • ~2 hours by plane - <$50 by plane (Frontier)

And that’s a route with a direct train connection, so literally no transfers. So, a train takes way longer, is probably more expensive (esp. if I take family), and I’d probably need a rental car on the other end. And that’s for a “best case” scenario with direct train service.

Screw that, trains anywhere other than the east coast of the US makes pretty much no sense for transportation. As an experience, sure, but not to get from A to B.

selokichtli , (edited )

I find stupid to give away my biometric data to everyone asking for it just because I gave it away once in exchange of my passport, but I guess that’s just me.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Poison pill their data instead.

  1. Go to www.thispersondoesnotexist.com
  2. Generate a person
  3. Print it
  4. Scan it when asked for facial data
ChaoticNeutralCzech ,
  1. Get hand-picked by the TSA for involuntary colonoscopy
Opisek ,

And that’s how you get free healthcare.

pastermil ,

Upon searching your anus for potential contraband, we found a large hemoroid. Please contact your primary care physician.

Munkisquisher ,

Do they bill you $40,000 for that diagnosis? Could be a new source of revenue for discount airlines

pastermil ,

Since a lot of hemoroid cases are caused by the seat of the discount flights, it would be a solid business model.

suction ,

Or just call Preparation H Raymond?

AlecSadler ,

The last time I flew they did this, but there was a huge sign that said photos are immediately deleted after verification…is this not true?

Infinite ,

Just for example, that’s an easy way to save just the biometric signature and have very few people question it.

SulaymanF ,

It’s discussed in the article. We can’t really be sure if they do, but they already store the measurements of your face along with other bits of metadata. They could reconstruct your face with it even without the photo. It’s a deceptive claim, because even if they throw away the camera video they still have your face for all intents and purposes.

1984 ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

It’s about normalizing survellience, and the article also says this as an opinion further down in the text.

Everyone can see that we are going towards the society in black mirror, with social scores, and people being punished for not complying with rules of any kind. I’m glad I’m kind of old because the future will suck.

MajorHavoc ,

Facial recognition poses privacy risks, including potential data breaches,

I know you’re using the acceptable legal term.

As a Cybersecurity person, the “potential” data breaches we talk about, today, are really pretty certain, at this point, in history.

We may work towards a collective genuine ‘potential’, where the breach might never happen, someday, with effort.

Turns chair around and sits straddling it like a cool youth mentor.

Y’alls faces at airports are definitely getting leaked on the dark web.

The good news is it might take enough years to leak that your appearance might happen to change in between.

NewAgeOldPerson ,

I went thru naturalization process. They have everything already. Including DNA, retina scan, etc. So I opted for Clear. Global Entry as well. They have it all already. May as well fast track going thru customs.

WolfLink ,

Clear is run by a 3rd party company. TSA pre-check is run by the government. TSA pre-check comes free with Global Entry, you just need to sign up for it.

NewAgeOldPerson ,

Yeah I have pre because I have had global entry for a while (8 years now I think). Got clear because where I am, it changes wait time from 30 minutes to 5.

Blackmist ,

Simply stand away from the camera or keep your face covered with a mask, present your ID, and say, “I opt out of biometrics. I want the standard verification process.”

This sounds like a great way for a SovCit to get a full ass inspection from a sausage-fingered security guard.

The best you’re going to get is redirected to a very long queue of people who’s passports don’t have biometrics.

BetterDev ,

Actually no, they look at your face and your ID, make sure the information matches, and move you along. No secondary inspection, no difference except you didn’t get scanned with facial recognition. It’s the same process as before facial recognition was implemented.

Why even write that comment?

Squizzy ,

Because to get to the guy in the kiosk you have to queue up and that is likely to be long. That is what was stated.

BetterDev ,

I’ve been in and out of DFW, BOS, and JFK since these facial recognition scanners went in and I can tell you with a great deal of confidence that there’s no additional wait time, or queue, or anything else if you opt out. There’s a TSA agent right next to the scanner who collects your ID whether you get scanned or not. That’s the same person who otherwise just checks it if you opt out. What are you even on about? Maybe its different at some airports, but I’ve been opting out every time I fly and it’s no big deal.

Squizzy ,

I never said it was a big deal at all, it isnt.

But there is an increased likelihood of a queue when opting for the non automated route. It is the reason automation is implemented.

I too have been throuhh airports, it has never bothered me but if you dont go through the automated queue you might face a longer queue because a lot of previously manual customs real estate is given over to automation now.

BetterDev , (edited )

¯*(ツ)*/¯ maybe, but as long as I have the option and it’s not tedious to do so (which is the case), I’m gonna opt out and encourage others to do so. Fair enough if your perspective is you want to accept whatever new security theater data collection is implemented in exchange for some perceived convenience. Making your case here with me in this conversation has taken more effort on your part than opting out of facial recognition at the security checkpoint in an airport would have, and I find that fact amusingly ironic.

Squizzy ,

I also I never said I prefer the convenience over the privacy. Here is a tip, just because you hold a viewpoint does not mean it is infallible. There ae trade offs. While personally I am scurity and privacy conscious, I was pointing out the barrier for people to opt out, that is all. There is no two ways about it, unless there are a ratoo of 1:1 staff to passengers who opt out there will be a queue. The machines were put in in massive volume far exceeding the number of staff that would ever be checking people through in order to speed up the experience and due to them costing less to run.

I agree with you. You can still be objective and recognise the situation for what it is. A barrier to opting out is the likelihood that the manual check through takes more time. It doesnt have to be significantly more time.

BetterDev ,

And what I’m saying is it doesn’t take more time to opt out in my experience. Its just as quick to get manually verified as to be biometrically scanned.

King3d ,

I refuse to go through the body scanners, but the last time I went through the airport there wasn’t anyone trying to opt-out. I seriously doubt if the radiation perv scanner doesn’t get people to do anything, this won’t either.

Aganim ,

I seriously doubt if the radiation perv scanner doesn’t get people to do anything

You mean the backscatter X-ray units that have already been phased out 10 years ago?

The modern milimeter-wave scanners both do not reveal anything and do not use ionising radiation. If radiation is a concern to you, you really shouldn’t be flying at all to be honest. The dose you get up there is much higher than you’d get from an X-ray scanner, although it is still negligible.

feedum_sneedson ,

she cute

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Reflectacles are a really good idea if you’re going this route. They can ID you with just an eye scan, and this interferes with that.

csm10495 ,
@csm10495@sh.itjust.works avatar

They have you take your sunglasses off.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Get clear ones. Most (all?) of those security cameras use IR illumination to ID you, so you can have lenses that allow visible light through, but mess up IR scanning. I think you can get them w/ prescription lenses if you email the creator, so you can legitimately tell them you need your glasses to see (if you need a prescription, that is).

csm10495 ,
@csm10495@sh.itjust.works avatar

If the scan fails, they’ll just ask you to take them off.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Sure, and I’ll say I don’t consent to take them off, so they’ll need to verify me another way.

csm10495 ,
@csm10495@sh.itjust.works avatar

Then just ask to not be facial scanned. Last airport I went to had signs saying you could opt out.

Then you don’t need weird glasses either.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

I’m less worried about the face scanning (you can opt-out, as you said), I’m more worried about the camera scanning in other parts of the airport. The glasses combat the most common form of face scanning, which uses IR illumination. It also works at grocery stores and whatnot, which is especially important if you’re a POC and likely to be racially profiled as a shoplifter (I’ve read some horror stories).

It does paint a bright red target on my chest since they show up as a massive bright light source on IR feeds (if a security guard happens to watch), so it’s more a form of protest than anything.

mariahale342 ,

If you already have a passport and opt out of facial recognition, you’re only deluding yourself into a false sense of privacy.

StaySquared ,

Interesting how addicted government is to collecting data.

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