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Agrivar ,

I’ve always been kind of curious: am I weird because I prefer light mode for web pages with a lot of text to read? Or is it more of an age-gated thing, like older people who grew up reading printed texts only prefer what’s familiar to them? I’m fine with YouTube (for example) having a black background and dark theme, but I even browse Lemmy via old.lemmy.world in light mode!

NikkiDimes ,

How old are you? I’m in my early 30s, definitely grew up with computers most of my life, and internet almost as long, but also read plenty of physical paper books. I greatly prefer darker color schemes.

That said, I’m also a software developer so I learned long ago that dark mode is much easier on the eyes when coding for hours on end, so maybe I’m just used to it.

AlecSadler ,

I prefer light mode because dark mode gives me a raging headache in under 10 minutes, not enough contrast or something, I’m not sure. It’s bad enough that if I’m pairing with someone and they use dark mode I’ve gotta frequently look away or do something like a shared follow mode where I use a light theme on my end - it sucks.

And maybe the science is old now, but in HS I did a report on eye strain and light backgrounds are typically better across the board. But who knows now.

JimVanDeventer ,

Or is it more of an age-gated thing

Depends how old you consider old, maybe? Computers back in the day were pretty universally light text on a dark background. VIC-20 was an exception but then even Commodore backpedaled on that with the 64. But you might have had a different experience and are only remembering things like Mac OS or Amiga, or Windows, and maybe that has influenced your preference. 🤷‍♀️ To each their own, anyway.

eager_eagle ,
@eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

I guess I’ll stick with dark reader for now

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e498cecc-c197-4cb0-be6d-c60d95c67208.png

MrSoup ,

If by trying to change just the color of text and its background, images and other containers would change color too that mean it is a css tagging issue. It is really trivial to correctly color just text and its container with dark theme leaving “custom” things hacked in html inside the page with light theme, people will contribute to make them darkable afterward.

tal , (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

It does look like you currently need to be logged in to set the setting or set it each time (or, I assume, have your browser retain persistent cookies); the default is light. It’d be kind of nice if it just used the browser “light” or “dark” preference.

Maybe this is just temporary; they do say that the dark mode is “beta”.

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

So, if I’m reading this right it’s basically just a 17 paragraph essay that boils down to, “Sorry we suck at CSS and it took us a decade to finally get around to rooting out all the random shit from 2014 that was hard-coded to display as rgb(0,0,0) or whatever, which was a capability that in retrospect we really shouldn’t have handed out like candy?”

The TV Tropes wiki has managed to have a built in dark mode for at least the last 7 years. TV Tropes. Come on, guys.

I’m baffled by the section about “making a shortcut that darkens all the colors on the page.” I’m positive that’s the intent of that entire blurb, to dazzle people with bullshit in the hopes that they won’t ask Hard Questions, because no competent designer would ever try such a thing. It is a self-evidently moronic idea. You don’t fuck with elements you didn’t create and don’t control, like images and color swatches.

There are only really two viable possibilities, here:

  1. If arbitrary user definable, hard-coded colors in content are permissible, you’ll have to accept the fact that the cards will fall where they may and some instances will inherently be suboptimal in either light or dark modes, or…
  2. Accept that you won’t allow users to hard-code colors into anything outside of specific elements where that usage is valid, so users will just have to suck it up and pick from a list of preapproved color combinations with light and dark mode renditions.
tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

The TV Tropes wiki has managed to have a built in dark mode for at least the last 7 years. TV Tropes. Come on, guys.

It’d be kind of interesting to have a “dark mode spider” that crawls the Web and checks to see what percentage of websites support the browser-requested dark mode. I’d be kind of curious to see how far along we are.

I mean, people have done it for stuff like IPv6 support for a while.

kippinitreal ,

Didn’t Google’s lighthouse have a metric for that? “Colour Contrast ratio” or something?

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Not familiar with it.

goes looking

Oh, it’s a tool that you run on one page, rather than a spider to try to gather statistics on the Web as a whole. But, yeah, that run en masse could maybe gather that kind of information.

ozymandias117 , (edited )

Isn’t #2 the only option?

Websites specifying color for foreground (or background) and assuming browsers will use whatever color they’re expecting for the other has always existed, and still exists

If you’re getting fancy and specifying colors, you can’t cheap out and not specify all colors

If the browser ignores all your colors at that point, then it’s displaying as the user intended

If you only specified some of the colors, it’s a bug of the website

MonkderDritte ,

But why the buttons? Just use


<span style="color:#323232;">media (prefers-color-scheme: dark) {}
</span>

done. The js-solution doesn’t seem to auto-adapt for me.

Burstar ,

um, darkmode has been available for years. Just needed to sign in.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Someone had a dark mode style (which I just had to disable to get the new dark mode to work), but then you have to be signed in.

Burstar ,

Not a 3rd party thing. It has been a wiki setting opened up with login for a long time now. Maybe it had some tweaks needed that finally got completed?

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Not a 3rd party thing.

No, I know. I had it set. It was in their list of themes somewhere.

They just asked me to disable that before I could use their new dark mode.

DarkThoughts ,

Dark mode is here for Wikipedia (finally!)

Finally indeed.

natecox ,
@natecox@programming.dev avatar

All I want is “follow system theme” for us light mode at day, dark at night fellows.

Xylight ,
@Xylight@lemm.ee avatar

They added that too!

https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/587e162d-939d-4c00-9d01-a31bb799ef8b.png

natecox ,
@natecox@programming.dev avatar

Cool

AlligatorBlizzard ,

How are you doing this? My DE is KDE Plasma and Koi seems to work for this based on my limited searching but I don’t know how well, do you know of something better? (Also I’m using the tree background and I’m hoping to get that to switch too).

natecox ,
@natecox@programming.dev avatar

I don’t think KDE has a native way to do this, I’ve also heard of Koi for this but I haven’t used it. I’m mostly a Mac user where this is just a default option.

Caligvla , (edited )

The irony of me opening the article and being immediately blinded by the eyesore white page.

DarkThoughts ,

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/darkreader/

MonkderDritte ,

Addons for darkening don’t work on addons.mozilla, the irony!

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

All addons don’t won’t work on any Addon/extension page, across all browsers. I don’t know why, but if I had to take an educated guess, it’s so extensions can’t make you download malware addons.

That said, on firefox, you can enable any extention to have thar privilege.

Caligvla ,

I’m using it, but not on by default because from experience it can break some pages.

Quill7513 ,

I’ve gone the opposite direction. I’ve slowly been expanding my list of sites that don’t work with ctrl-shift-a and for the most part assuming it will work for all sites

Caligvla ,

I need to learn to use more shortcuts smh…

jabathekek ,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

💀 mfw I’m waiting for the mozilla team to do the same with their help forum.

TheRealCharlesEames ,

Only skimmed the article: why did their initial theme color solution affect the media contents like international orange? Feels like that would be a non-starter…

henfredemars ,

I hate the pop up about it though. If I care that much, I’ll find it. Don’t use advertising tactics.

Aatube ,

i think the pop up is necessary as long as the button to open the appearance menu is still the incognito icon for whatever reason

dactylotheca ,
@dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

I’d rather be informed with a popup than have to remember to periodically check the settings in case they’ve maybe added dark mode. Tying this to “advertising tactics” is, well, ridiculous – they’re informing users about a new feature they might not otherwise learn about, not selling literally anything

henfredemars ,

Surely there’s a better way than creating a floating modal dialogue in front of the content I came there to read.

BubbleMonkey ,

Are you also upset when they do a donation drive and have a pre-article header literally asking for money?

henfredemars ,

Yes, but not because the header is a distraction — it’s generally less obtrusive. I’m not convinced that they actually need the money to achieve the goals of the foundation, but that’s another matter of opinion in how I think they spend those funds. I’ve donated in the past.

Rai ,

I use FF Focus (new private mode always) so EVERY TIME I GO THERE the popup is there. A bit annoying.

otacon239 ,

I don’t mind the pop up as much as I mind it being a pop up that tells you to go to another menu to change the setting. Why not just put the setting in the pop up?

Zorque ,

Thats how you get spaghetti code.

conciselyverbose ,

It’s really not that complicated.

You give the information on where the setting is, then have an “enable now” button that calls the exact same function as clicking the toggle on the other page does. Having multiple ways to do the same thing isn’t unusual and is trivial with properly designed code.

Quill7513 ,

No. It isn’t. The setting in the modal should act as a convenience component that doesn’t have any of its own data. It only modifies the value in the original source of truth. Once the modal has been used, it should never pop up again, as the assumption will be if the user has interacted with the modal, they are now aware of the setting and can set it themselves from the original source of truth. Unless of course you consider any feature speghettification

thedudeabides ,

Can’t imagine a scenario in which a person avoided using Wikipedia all their life till now just because things looked a bit brighter on screen.

Dark mode makes things easier for its existing userbase (practically anyone with an internet wanting to learn) but that’s that

driving_crooner ,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

Maybe not avoid using entirely, but I can easily imagine someone that can’t use it for more that 10 minutes or so because the brightness causes them headaches.

thedudeabides ,

That’s true, it will make things easier for the current users. But as I said, I doubt if it will increase the overall hits for Wikipedia or be a last straw for people hesitating to use the site

DessertStorms , (edited )
@DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

But as I said, I doubt if it will increase the overall hits for Wikipedia or be a last straw for people hesitating to use the site

Why the fuck do you think accessibility is about increasing hits?

driving_crooner ,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

That’s a pretty ableist attitude. You don’t really know how many people and how much are being affected and is easy to dismiss an accessibility option when you’re nor affected.

DessertStorms ,
@DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Ah, well, if you can’t imagine it, then all those people with visual impairments who haven’t been able to read the content previously simply must not exist! 🙄🤦‍♀️

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

light mode a bit brighter for dark mode users

You sassy goblin.

cheese_greater ,

Come to the Dark Mode: we have more accessible comprehension

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