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tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

It does look like you currently need to be logged in to set the setting or set it each time; the default is light. It’d be kind of nice if it just used the browser “light” or “dark” preference.

Maybe this is just temporary; they do say that the dark mode is “beta”.

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

So, if I’m reading this right it’s basically just a 17 paragraph essay that boils down to, “Sorry we suck at CSS and it took us a decade to finally get around to rooting out all the random shit from 2014 that was hard-coded to display as rgb(0,0,0) or whatever, which was a capability that in retrospect we really shouldn’t have handed out like candy?”

The TV Tropes wiki has managed to have a built in dark mode for at least the last 7 years. TV Tropes. Come on, guys.

I’m baffled by the section about “making a shortcut that darkens all the colors on the page.” I’m positive that’s the intent of that entire blurb, to dazzle people with bullshit in the hopes that they won’t ask Hard Questions, because no competent designer would ever try such a thing. It is a self-evidently moronic idea. You don’t fuck with elements you didn’t create and don’t control, like images and color swatches.

There are only really two viable possibilities, here:

  1. If arbitrary user definable, hard-coded colors in content are permissible, you’ll have to accept the fact that the cards will fall where they may and some instances will inherently be suboptimal in either light or dark modes, or…
  2. Accept that you won’t allow users to hard-code colors into anything outside of specific elements where that usage is valid, so users will just have to suck it up and pick from a list of preapproved color combinations with light and dark mode renditions.
MonkderDritte ,

But why the buttons? Just use


<span style="color:#323232;">media (prefers-color-scheme: dark) {}
</span>

done. The js-solution doesn’t seem to auto-adapt for me.

Burstar ,
@Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

um, darkmode has been available for years. Just needed to sign in.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Someone had a dark mode style (which I just had to disable to get the new dark mode to work), but then you have to be signed in.

DarkThoughts ,

Dark mode is here for Wikipedia (finally!)

Finally indeed.

natecox ,
@natecox@programming.dev avatar

All I want is “follow system theme” for us light mode at day, dark at night fellows.

Caligvla , (edited )

The irony of me opening the article and being immediately blinded by the eyesore white page.

DarkThoughts ,

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/darkreader/

MonkderDritte ,

Addons for darkening don’t work on addons.mozilla, the irony!

Caligvla ,

I’m using it, but not on by default because from experience it can break some pages.

jabathekek ,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

💀 mfw I’m waiting for the mozilla team to do the same with their help forum.

TheRealCharlesEames ,

Only skimmed the article: why did their initial theme color solution affect the media contents like international orange? Feels like that would be a non-starter…

henfredemars ,

I hate the pop up about it though. If I care that much, I’ll find it. Don’t use advertising tactics.

Aatube ,

i think the pop up is necessary as long as the button to open the appearance menu is still the incognito icon for whatever reason

dactylotheca ,
@dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

I’d rather be informed with a popup than have to remember to periodically check the settings in case they’ve maybe added dark mode. Tying this to “advertising tactics” is, well, ridiculous – they’re informing users about a new feature they might not otherwise learn about, not selling literally anything

henfredemars ,

Surely there’s a better way than creating a floating modal dialogue in front of the content I came there to read.

BubbleMonkey ,

Are you also upset when they do a donation drive and have a pre-article header literally asking for money?

henfredemars ,

Yes, but not because the header is a distraction — it’s generally less obtrusive. I’m not convinced that they actually need the money to achieve the goals of the foundation, but that’s another matter of opinion in how I think they spend those funds. I’ve donated in the past.

otacon239 ,

I don’t mind the pop up as much as I mind it being a pop up that tells you to go to another menu to change the setting. Why not just put the setting in the pop up?

Zorque ,

Thats how you get spaghetti code.

conciselyverbose ,

It’s really not that complicated.

You give the information on where the setting is, then have an “enable now” button that calls the exact same function as clicking the toggle on the other page does. Having multiple ways to do the same thing isn’t unusual and is trivial with properly designed code.

Quill7513 ,

No. It isn’t. The setting in the modal should act as a convenience component that doesn’t have any of its own data. It only modifies the value in the original source of truth. Once the modal has been used, it should never pop up again, as the assumption will be if the user has interacted with the modal, they are now aware of the setting and can set it themselves from the original source of truth. Unless of course you consider any feature speghettification

thedudeabides ,

Can’t imagine a scenario in which a person avoided using Wikipedia all their life till now just because things looked a bit brighter on screen.

Dark mode makes things easier for its existing userbase (practically anyone with an internet wanting to learn) but that’s that

driving_crooner ,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

Maybe not avoid using entirely, but I can easily imagine someone that can’t use it for more that 10 minutes or so because the brightness causes them headaches.

thedudeabides ,

That’s true, it will make things easier for the current users. But as I said, I doubt if it will increase the overall hits for Wikipedia or be a last straw for people hesitating to use the site

DessertStorms , (edited )
@DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

But as I said, I doubt if it will increase the overall hits for Wikipedia or be a last straw for people hesitating to use the site

Why the fuck do you think accessibility is about increasing hits?

driving_crooner ,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

That’s a pretty ableist attitude. You don’t really know how many people and how much are being affected and is easy to dismiss an accessibility option when you’re nor affected.

DessertStorms ,
@DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Ah, well, if you can’t imagine it, then all those people with visual impairments who haven’t been able to read the content previously simply must not exist! 🙄🤦‍♀️

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

light mode a bit brighter for dark mode users

You sassy goblin.

cheese_greater ,

Come to the Dark Mode: we have more accessible comprehension

iThiNkCiAisTh3samEasUsO ,

Nobody cares about a scammer site like Wikipedia here

essteeyou ,

Bold claim. checks votes

Edit: first ever comment, wow.

DarkThoughts ,

What did they say?

essteeyou ,

“Nobody cares about a scammer site like Wikipedia here”

hsdkfr734r ,

Dark Reader Plugin already solved that issue.

Monomate ,

Yeah, Dark Reader is a godsend. I just got tired of all the light mode webpages and took matters into my own hands.

tal , (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

I’m really surprised that it works as well as it does, given the insane amount of stuff that it interacts with. I’d think that it’d be way more fragile than it is.

I’ll also add that while I very much prefer dark mode interfaces – staring at a light mode interface in the dark is kind of like staring into a headlamp – if I had a display that (a) was reflective rather than transmissive in the sun (like eink displays are) and (b) did reasonable automatic brightness adjustment, and © software consistently made use of a color range such that “standard light background” isn’t “set every pixel on the display to its maximum brightness”, I might be okay with light mode. If I had to pick just one, I’d choose dark mode, but if technology advances, I might be okay with light mode.

deranger ,

Native dark modes are better and have much less of a performance impact. It’s good as a stop gap though.

MonkderDritte ,

“Native”. That every webpage has to implement it themselves is sad. Could be a browser feature that overrides some colors on dark.
Then again, with webapps, probably not.

bamboo ,

This is sorta how dark reader and such works. It turns out that implementing dark mode for most websites is more complicated than inverting all the css colors. For example, some gray on white text might have enough contrast to be easily read, but when inverted the text is hard to discern or nearly invisible. Images too, they might have a white background but not look good when inverted. Native support is better

hsdkfr734r , (edited )

Maybe. Does it make a big performance difference which css (dark reader or delivered by wiki) is used?

Is it known how the default to dark mode setting is persisted if let’s say a plugin removed all the Wikipedia cookies on window close? A get or post parameter?

Either way it’s a good thing that wiki offers a dark mode.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Native dark modes are better

Agreed. Well, I don’t know if it’d deal with random images as well, as users can upload those.

and have much less of a performance impact.

For a number of sites, you can just get away with running Dark Reader in static mode and it works well enough. Considerably faster.

EDIT: Actually, thanks for reminding me. I’ve never donated to Dark Reader, and it looks like they ask for a $10 donation if you use it regularly, and that plugin has dramatically improved my Web-browsing experience. Going to do that now.

Armand1 ,

Also just donated

pineapplelover ,

Not a fan of dark reader. It has a weird blue tint to things. I much prefer Dark Background and Light Text. That extensions has a true black background.

ParetoOptimalDev ,

You can change the color.

DessertStorms ,
@DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Oh wow, finally!

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