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Sensitivezombie ,

Why not also go after these software companies for allowing such images to be generated. i.e allowing AI generated images of naked bodies on uploaded images to real people.

Duamerthrax ,

How? How could you make an algorithm that correctly identified what nude bodies look like? Tumblr couldn’t differentiate between nudes and sand dunes back when they enforced their new policies.

KairuByte ,

This sounds great, but it’s one of those things that is infinitely easier to say than do. You’re essentially asking for one of two things: Manual human intervention for every single image uploaded, or “the perfect image recognition system.” And honestly, the first is fraught with its own issues, and the second does not exist.

autonomoususer ,

Next they’ll ban E2EE and libre software.

IllNess ,

They are releasing stories like this to promote the new that requires adults to login to pornsites and to limit their use of it.

0x0 ,

Under Spanish law minors under 14 cannot be charged

What about the parents?

vane ,

I think parents under 14 also cannot be charged.

FoolHen ,

Ahh the old reddit Lemmy switcharoo

kibiz0r ,

“Absolutely no way to prevent this”, says internet full of banners offering to “Undress your classmates now!”

“Tools are just tools, and there’s no sense in restricting access to undress_that_ap_chemistry_hottie.exe because it wouldn’t prevent even a single case of abuse and would also destroy every legitimate use of any computer anywhere”, said user [email protected]

spamfajitas ,

It’s possible I just haven’t come across those types of comments you’re making fun of, but I usually just see people making the case that we don’t need new, possibly overreaching, legislation to handle these situations. They want to avoid a disingenuous “think of the children” kind of situation.

a youth court in the city of Badajoz said it had convicted the minors of 20 counts of creating child abuse images and 20 counts of offences against their victims’ moral integrity

I’m not familiar with their legal system but I would be willing to bet the crimes they’ve committed were already illegal under existing laws.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Well you certainly managed to get attention to your comment

rustyfish ,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

“Many girls were completely terrified and had tremendous anxiety attacks because they were suffering this in silence,” she told Reuters at the time. “They felt bad and were afraid to tell and be blamed for it.”

WTF?!

cyberpunk007 ,

Psychology 101.

sigmaklimgrindset ,

Spain is a pretty Catholic country, and even if religious attendance is dropping off, the ingrained beliefs can still remain. Madonna/Whore dichotomy still is very prevalent in certain parts of society there.

leftzero ,

Spain is a pretty Catholic country

Hasn’t been in decades. No one in Spain gives a flying fuck about religion. Even the ones that go on processions and whatnot only do it because it’s traditional, and because they like dressing up and wearing silly hats.

The kids didn’t tell because they’re kids. They thought they’d be blamed for it because kids get blamed for everything, and because they know their parents don’t understand how generative “AI” works and would believe they were actually taking naked pictures and circulating them themselves.

sam ,

pretty Catholic

I don’t know what led you to believe that, but just look at wikipedia, only 56% of the population is catholic, 37.5% being non practising (and, in my experience as a spaniard, agnostic) and 16% actually practising.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain

sigmaklimgrindset ,

You read the first 6 words of my comment and just ignored the rest of it. Tell me why Holy Week is one of the biggest events in Spain even though “only” half the population is Catholic.

The whole point I was making was that even if people identify as atheists, agnostics, or non-practicing, the remnants of the Catholic mindset and culture remain, including the misogyny inherent to most organized religions.

todd_bonzalez ,

Welcome to Christianity.

If a man sexually exploits a woman, it’s the woman’s fault for leading him astray.

This is how women are treated in deeply Christian communities.

Those women fear stepping forward to report assault or abuse because there are many in their community that will condemn them for it.

CybranM ,

Welcome to religion at large

SnokenKeekaGuard ,
@SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I read the headline and said oh come on. One paragraph in and that turned to what in the absolute fuck.

Zak ,
@Zak@lemmy.world avatar

Are you surprised by teenage boys making fake nudes of girls in their school? I’m surprised by how few of these cases have made the news.

I don’t think there’s any way to put this cat back in the bag. We should probably work on teaching boys not to be horrible.

pennomi ,

There are always two paths to take - take away all of humanity’s tools or aggressively police people who abuse them. No matter the tool (AI, computers, guns, cars, hydraulic presses) there will be somebody who abuses it, and for society to function properly we have to do something about the delinquent minority of society.

ThePantser ,
@ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

No matter the tool (AI, computers, guns, cars, hydraulic presses) there will be somebody who abuses it,

Hydraulic press channel guy offended you somehow? I’m missing something here.

pennomi ,

No, just an example. But if you’ve ever noticed the giant list of safety warnings on industrial machinery, you should know that every single one of those rules was written in blood.

Emperor ,
@Emperor@feddit.uk avatar

Sometimes other bodily fluids.

devfuuu ,

The machines need to be oiled somehow.

superminerJG ,

🤨 vine boom

0x0 ,

Either Darwin awards or assholes, most likely. Those warnings are written due to fear of lawsuit.

Ookami38 ,

I don’t think they’re offended. I think they’re saying that a tool is a tool. A gun or AI are only dangerous if misused, like a hydraulic press.

We can’t go around removing the tools because some people will abuse them. Any tool can kill someone.

Obi ,
@Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

Guns have no other purpose though, they shouldn’t be lumped in with the rest of that list (except hunting rifles and so on, for folks that actually need them).

Ookami38 ,

That’s purposely obtuse. Of course guns have a purpose, you even listed one.

Obi ,
@Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

Not sure why I keep trying to talk about this with Americans, my bad. You’re completely right!

Ookami38 ,

Sure, get needlessly antagonistic, provoke a response, decide to run from the confrontation you caused, and I’m the childish one. Fuck outta here.

beejboytyson ,

Rofl you just lost

catloaf ,

We could also do a better job of teaching people from childhood not to be assholes.

devfuuu ,

That’s been working fine…

afraid_of_zombies ,

Guns do not belong in the list. Guns are weapons, not tools. Don’t bother posting some random edge case that accounts for approximately 0.000001% of use. This is a basic category error.

Governments should make rules banning and/or regulating weapons.

pennomi ,

Weapons are tools, by strict definition, and there are legitimate uses for them. Besides, my point was that they should be regulated. In fact, because they are less generally useful than constructive tools, they should be regulated far MORE strictly.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Weapons are tools,

Prove it. Prove that the majority of people think of a gun in the same way as they do a screwdriver

by strict definition,

Assertion without evidence

and there are legitimate uses for them.

I see we didn’t read what I wrote, only the first sentence of what I wrote.

Besides, my point was that they should be regulated. In fact, because they are less generally useful than constructive tools, they should be regulated far MORE strictly.

By generally you mean not even close to them yes.

pennomi ,

It seems we can’t have a reasonable discourse here because you are ignoring basic definitions. Have a lovely day!

afraid_of_zombies ,

No you are pulling a libertarian. You defined a word that is used a particular way to mean what you want it to mean then declare victory.

You are not arguing step-by-step, you are bypassing.

Ookami38 ,

Mate, he’s right. First definition. “A handheld device used to aid in performing a task.” Any gun falls into that definition. But sure, get hung up on asking them to define every word in their statements, that’s a good way to not have to actually engage with the concept.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Task == murder

When I hire a task rabbit is that the same as hiring a hitman? When I open task manager should I see process “kill my cheating ex”?

But sure, get hung up on asking them to define every word in their statements, t

Did I do that? Yes or no question.

that’s a good way to not have to actually engage with the concept.

I am fine with engaging with the topic, I did so. He/she clung to definitions while I was blunt and pointed out that a gun is not a screwdriver and should be banned or regulated just like we do with any weapon.

Ookami38 ,

Task == murder

Ironic that the first thing you jump to in defense of your previous point is a definition argument.

Hilarious that that argument is, again,flat out wrong.

something hard or unpleasant that has to be done

afraid_of_zombies ,

It was always a definition argument. Oh and that wasn’t actually ironic just thought you would like to know.

Now instead of trying to score rhetorical points why don’t you answer literally any of the questions I asked in the previous comment. I know it’s vital to defend your BFF Rittenhouse but you don’t do a good job defending him when you don’t actually engage with what is being presented.

Ookami38 ,

This whole tangent began because you asked for someone to prove that weapons are tools. Dictionaries report common usage of terms, and a gun absolutely, 100% meets the criteria for the top definition for “tool”. I’m literally giving you the information you asked for. If you didn’t want a definition for tool, why would you ask for someone to prove that a gun is a tool, one of the necessary steps of which is to agree on a definition?

Keep going off, though.

afraid_of_zombies ,

No. You obviously need help reading.

Ookami38 ,

Do I, though? I’m pretty sure I read it right.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Not if you think a gun is a tool in the sense a claw hammer is

Ookami38 ,

Okay now we’re getting somewhere. What definition of tool do you propose we use, that includes claw peen hammers and other “obvious” tools, but excludes firearms?

afraid_of_zombies ,

Noun, a device that aids in productive work.

Now my turn to ask a question, which one of these images is not like the other

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/5f92d05e-51af-4a38-9b2e-25771177afd5.jpeghttps://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4c3dbc4e-2ba5-471b-a010-9dca00e5af58.jpeg

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c670e2dc-227d-4071-b4f6-727e480dbe05.jpeg

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2c6ceed2-05bf-4967-9b10-051f9d7efa28.jpeg

Ookami38 ,

So do you not consider hunting for food productive? What about sporting purposes?

There’s a very real reason I’m digging in on this. You can’t just arbitrarily say a certain thing isn’t what it clearly is, because it suits your purposes. A gun is still a tool, even if it’s quite regularly misused. You lose nothing by classifying it as a tool, and by seeking to reclassify it as something else, you open the door to a host of legal fuckery.

Further, we regulate tools all the time, so it’s not like saying it’s a tool means we can’t, or shouldn’t, regulate firearms. Just look at cars. Definitely tools, and regulated to high hell. It’s important to be specific, though, if we’re proposing to regulate things. If you’re not specific, you end up with dumb things like certain kinds of nail guns being regulated as firearms.

I’m not some crazy gun nut. I think there should absolutely be some more regulations on guns. I think they should make sense, though, and to do that you have to define your terms rigidly.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Now my turn to ask a question, which one of these images is not like the other

I will play the Jeopardy theme song while I wait. Dun dun dun du dun dun…dun du dun du

Ookami38 ,

Well, three of them are construction workers, and one is a kid misusing a tool, is what you want me to say. If you want an example of what I’m talking about, though - three are white, and one is black. Three are facing left, and one is facing right. Three have their arms up, and one had their arms down. All of those are valid answers to your question. This is why definitions, agreeing on them, and sticking to them, are important.

There, you got my response, now go engage with my argument, instead of deflecting.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Well, three of them are construction workers, and one is a kid misusing a tool, is what you want me to say.

Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Great job.

Hey you know what has never happened to me? I have never been attacked by people in sheer terror when I handled a multimeter during a riot. Funny story I did have to go to a customer site very close to a BLM protest. No problems, guess when you are holding tools in your hand and have a hardhat on you are invisible as you present zero threat. Some people are trying to keep civilization going and others are waving guns around, what can I say.

Fine but yeah let me engage with your “argument”. As I noted before the use cases for a gun are an almost invisibly small fraction of what they actually get used for. For every guy out there who needs to use one to hunt or will starve there about 1 million out there who are wannabe tough guys with small dicks or school shooters. When something is used as a weapon 99.999999% of the time it is not a tool.

Ookami38 ,

And weapons are tools. We’ve come full circle. Appeal to emotions all you want. That’s all your argument boils down to. It’s fuckin hilarious to me that you seem to think this argument is about whether or not guns are a good thing. That’s NEVER been the argument here. Guns aren’t good or bad, they’re simply tools. Treat them with respect and seek actual understanding, and maybe we can actually effectively regulate them.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Nope. Weapons are weapons, tools are tools.

Ookami38 ,

Pretty sure definitionally speaking, you’re wrong, as evidenced above.

afraid_of_zombies ,

No. An AR-15 is not in the same category of a claw hammer.

Ookami38 ,

You clearly don’t care to listen to any of the heaps of evidence that points to the contrary. If you’re not arguing with the intention of actually hearing anything your opposition is saying, why argue? Just like wasting time?

afraid_of_zombies ,

I have seen none of these heaps.

Ookami38 ,

Because you choose not to look. That’s the whole point. You refuse to engage with anything.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Guess I have to post those four pictures again. Maybe you will figure it out next time

Ookami38 ,

You sound angry.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Even if I were it wouldn’t be a big deal since I don’t own a weapon, only tools. Unlike your boy Rittenhouse

Ookami38 ,

You make a lot of assumptions about me based on nothing. Not a good look.

afraid_of_zombies ,

By many you mean one. Not trying to defend your argument about guns being tools I noticed

Ookami38 ,

Why would I defend it when it hasn’t been attacked?

afraid_of_zombies ,

Yes it has, just like your boy Rittenhouse did to those protesters

Ookami38 ,

Mate the closest thing you’ve done to making a counter argument is say “nuh uh!” Lol. And again, you’re making baseless assumptions about me.

thestar ,
@thestar@mastodon.social avatar

Yes it can be, both are objects.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Objects == tools

All thumbs are fingers, not all fingers are thumbs

cyberpunk007 ,

I’m not sure you can teach boys not to be horny teenagers 😜

DarkThoughts ,

Being horny is one thing, sharing this stuff another. If whoever did the fake would've kept it to themselves, then nobody would've even known. The headline still is ass and typical "AI" hysteria though.

lenz ,

They shouldn’t have generated it in the first place. How would you feel if people did that to your mom, or you, or your sisters, or your kids?

I don’t think just keeping it to yourself is enough.

DarkThoughts ,

I don't really care. People can and will fantasize in the same way about other people too and I'm not going to play thought police.

BruceTwarzen ,

Man can you imagine? Someone cutting out my moms head and glues it on a porstar? I would kill myself.

lenz ,

False dichotomy.

MagicShel ,

We do eventually grow up at least

… into horny men

… but hopefully with a little more empathy and propriety.

Zak ,
@Zak@lemmy.world avatar

Having been a teenage boy myself, I wouldn’t dream of trying.

But I knew it wasn’t OK to climb a tree with binoculars to try to catch a glimpse of the girl next door changing clothes, and I knew it wasn’t OK to touch people without their consent. I knew people who did things like that were peeping toms and rapists. I believed peeping toms and rapists would be socially ostracized and legally punished more harshly than they often are in reality.

Making and sharing deepfakes of real people without their consent belongs on the same spectrum.

Evotech ,

Teenagers are literally retarded. Like their reasoning centers are not developed and they physically cannot think. There’s no way to teach that

Katrisia ,

No, they’re not fully developed, but they distinguish actions morally speaking (even older children do) and they can choose to do better.

Evotech ,

It’s how they learn it.

BruceTwarzen ,

It’s like these x-ray apps that obviously didn’t work but promoted to see all the women naked. Somehow that was very cool and no one cared. Suddenly there is something that kinda works and everyone is shocked.

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

A court in south-west Spain has sentenced 15 schoolchildren to a year’s probation for creating and spreading AI-generated images of their female peers in a case that prompted a debate on the harmful and abusive uses of deepfake technology.

Police began investigating the matter last year after parents in the Extremaduran town of Almendralejo reported that faked naked pictures of their daughters were being circulated on WhatsApp groups.

Each of the defendants was handed a year’s probation and ordered to attend classes on gender and equality awareness, and on the “responsible use of technology”.

Under Spanish law minors under 14 cannot be charged but their cases are sent to child protection services, which can force them to take part in rehabilitation courses.

In an interview with the Guardian five months ago, the mother of one of the victims recalled her shock and disbelief when her daughter showed her one of the images.

“Beyond this particular trial, these facts should make us reflect on the need to educate people about equality between men and women,” the association told the online newspaper ElDiario.es.

The original article contains 431 words, the summary contains 181 words. Saved 58%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

Zeratul ,

What does this have to do with the equality of men and women? Girls are more at risk of this kind of abuse? That’s a good point, but it’s not brought up here. This parent is trying to make something political that is simply not. Not that gender equality should be political in the first place.

0laura ,
@0laura@lemmy.world avatar

There’s a good chance that these behaviors originated from misogyny/objectifying women.

I_Has_A_Hat ,

Rather than just the typical horniness that most teenage boys have?

0laura ,
@0laura@lemmy.world avatar

yes.

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