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A social app for creatives, Cara grew from 40k to 650k users in a week because artists are fed up with Meta’s AI policies | TechCrunch

Artists have finally had enough with Meta’s predatory AI policies, but Meta’s loss is Cara’s gain. An artist-run, anti-AI social platform, Cara has grown from 40,000 to 650,000 users within the last week, catapulting it to the top of the App Store charts.

Instagram is a necessity for many artists, who use the platform to promote their work and solicit paying clients. But Meta is using public posts to train its generative AI systems, and only European users can opt out, since they’re protected by GDPR laws. Generative AI has become so front-and-center on Meta’s apps that artists reached their breaking point

ruse8145 ,

Is DeviantArt not a thing anymore? Or is this a different niche?

Stopthatgirl7 OP ,
@Stopthatgirl7@lemmy.world avatar

Deviant Art is also trying to scrape artists’ work for AI. It what allows AI at to be posted and has prompted it.

Snapz ,

Anyone have the tl,dr on Cara? Good people? Open source? Funding source?

Stopthatgirl7 OP ,
@Stopthatgirl7@lemmy.world avatar

Right now, it’s all being funded by one person, Zhang Jingna (a photographer that recently sued and won her case when someone plagiarized her work) but it’s grown so quickly she got hit with a $96K bill for one month.

los_chill ,

What are the ways that US domains can block AI? I figure pay walls, and captchas, but is there something we can add to robots.txt that has any teeth against AI scraping? I mean would we even know if they obeyed it anyway? How do we set traps and keep this shit out?

UndercoverUlrikHD ,

Capthchas haven’t worked against serious actors for years and companies could easily pay for a user account. Anything a normal tech illiterate person can do, companies can automate. You sort of have to trust their pinky promise of not scraping content.

TheReturnOfPEB , (edited )

step one of enshittification has begun. again.

andri ,

It has potential, with good marketing strategy I believe more users will know this.

Isthisreddit ,

Meta is just going to scrub all the Cara content into their AI system anyway. They have no fear because there are no real consequences

Stopthatgirl7 OP ,
@Stopthatgirl7@lemmy.world avatar

If they do, it’s going to be a bad time for them, since Cara has Glaze integration and encourages everyone to use it. blog.cara.app/blog/cara-glaze-about

NotMyOldRedditName ,

Isn’t this just going to be a battle of AIs?

Train the AI on what glaze does and it’ll eventually be able to deglaze. So glaze gets better and stops it for a bit and then the deglazer gets better and wins again. Repeat forever.

stellargmite ,

If your’e telling the deglazers to giveup because we will never stop glazing ourselves then I agree.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

Nah, the glazers are needed to make the AI more robust

stellargmite ,

Yeh theres a danger in that I can see. The Machine is learning from our dissent.

ZombieMantis ,
@ZombieMantis@lemmy.world avatar

Well, it’s certainly better than Instagram… Who knows, maybe Cara could federate with ActivityPub in the future… Not that I’ll keep my hopes up for that.

nutsack ,

there are several platforms better than Instagram but none of them have the reach of instagram

archchan ,

I hate that Pixelfed isn’t good enough to capture these users and I say this as someone who uses it over Instagram.

From the what I’ve seen (and I have been watching fairly closely), I think Pixelfed and the stretched-too-thin-can’t-prioritize-and-somewhat-monarchial dev himself might just need more time to cook. I still have hope in him and his projects but I won’t be holding my breath again. If good shit happens, it happens. And I do hope it happens because it should’ve been Pixelfed in this article like Mastodon was with Twitter or Lemmy with Reddit. Not whatever this new corp that came out of nowhere is.

englislanguage ,

I think we should not expect a volunteer (or small group of volunteers) to keep up with a billion dollar company

Yerbouti ,

I personally think we have reach a point where we actually can do this. User controlled project can now keep up and sometime beat big business. Look at Asahi Linux, a small group of nerds are reverse-enginering Apple’s latest tech, and allowing us to do all kind of things Apple never wanted us to do with these machine. Mastodon, Lemmy, Nextcloud, are all open-source projects keeping up with huge company.

dumples ,

I just signed up and I know it’s still centralized but I love being able to just look at art. Besides anything that is anti -AI I am in for

VerticaGG , (edited )

Really hoping to see a surge in demand for “Anti-AI” software/services/community.

Fuck the Hype and the bubble cant pop fast enough

Seasoned_Greetings ,

I’m all for replacing the s at the beginning of words with z so you read it in an exaggerated German accent, but you gotta be consistent

Really hoping to zee a zurge in ze demand for “Anti-AI” zoftware/zervices/community

Fixed that for you there, Goebbels

VerticaGG ,

There’s a big inky black spot in my screen where i dropped it and i cant afford a new one and mobile keyboards are ass, so typos in the first idk 50 chars are common. 🪦

Fck Nzis

Seasoned_Greetings ,

I meant it in jest only. Sorry about your phone, bro

VerticaGG ,

Not bro. Nbd.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

how does cara compare to pillowfort?

pyre , (edited )

well for starters it sounds less stupid

DragonTypeWyvern ,

If adults can’t make pillowforts they’re basically dead inside

pyre ,

i didn’t say that. i meant it’s a stupid name for this.

just like duckduckgo; i like ddg but that’s a terrible name for a search engine.

MonkderDritte ,

Artist published on meta? 😶

tb_ ,
@tb_@lemmy.world avatar

Instagram

MonkderDritte ,

Ah. Thanks.

doodledup ,

As a European user, do I actively have to opt out or is it opt-out by default?

gratux ,
@gratux@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

AFAIK, they only offer the opt-out form in the EU and UK

BroccoLemuria ,

You actively have to opt-out as far as I know

Hedgehawk ,

You have to opt-out. I got an email from meta with a link to the form. Doesn’t seem to matter really what you write. It got approved in less than a minute for me. I think they purposfully made it look like it’s more work than it’s worth.

doodledup ,

I have an easy solution for that: I think I’ll just delete my account. I’m not using it anyways.

tyler ,

Why not Vero? Which has been around for years and already restricts AI and no advertising.

BURN ,

Because Vero has nobody on it outside of creators. I looked into it as an alternative for my photography and it’s a ghost town outside of creators posting. Nobody is liking/commenting on anything

tyler ,

I mean, but that’s the point? For creators? Not as a replacement for Facebook. I don’t want to share my stuff with people who are just gonna steal it and share it as their own in some Facebook group or on Reddit. Literally sharing with creators is the purpose of these apps.

BURN ,

Not really. Instagram is for sharing photos to more than just creators. Creators generally don’t interact, like/share, etc other creators content, they just endlessly post their own.

tigerjerusalem ,

People talking about pixelfed are missing a key point: Cara is super easy to find and join. You go, type your email or login with your google account and that’s it. You don’t even have to remember a password. Nobody wants to find a server, apply to join, hope to get accepted, then somehow find all other artists like you.

Also, it looks good. Like, really good. That’s a thing that grab the attention of artists.

TrickDacy ,

Fuck a buncha Google SSO though. Hopefully that’s not the only option

Odelay42 ,

It’s not

Lem453 ,

This right here. I tried to join Mastodon today.

Download the most recommended app, Moshidon

Open app and get asked which instance i want to join. There are no suggestions.

Do a search for instances and pick one, go to the website and register with email and password. Requires email confirmation. Still waiting on the email confirmation link, 4 hrs later and 2 resends.

Literally haven’t been able to sign up yet.

Even if it had worked, the workflow would have been to change back to the app, type out the instance then re-login.

I’m not sure how anyone expects anyone other than the most hardcore to sign up for these services. Maybe that’s the point but if the point is to grow the user sign up process to significant overall

AceFuzzLord ,

Biggest problems I have had with Mastodon are the fact that:

  1. The app I wanted to use didn’t even recognize the instance I signed up for and…
  2. I had to wait nearly a month and a half before being able to actuallyuse my account and access Mastodon because I joined an instance where they review people signing up or something similar.

I definitely see the appeal of a find the site, sign up, and you’re done services over the fediverse join an instance and pray service.

Prandom_returns ,

If you just used the Official app, they have a simplified sign-up procedure. Dug your own grave there.

tigerjerusalem ,

Thats not fair, since everyone says the main app suck and you’ll have a better experience with Moshidon. This is true if you’re already there, but the comment makes it clear that it still lacks for newbies.

Prandom_returns ,

Never heard of Moshidon, so clearly not everyone. Why would anyone try to register via a non-official app first (especially for a procedure like signin-up) is beyond me. Some apps are better than others, but always start with the official one and then, if it lacks something, look for something else. This applies not only for mastodon, but for everything. Basic stuff…

srecko ,

Can you point me to the email official app? Or at least official site that explains how to register an email? Fediverse tends to think that it should be like email, sure it needs some getting used to , but the beauty is that defaults aren’t really necessary.

Jayjader ,

Why would anyone try to register via a non-official app first (especially for a procedure like signin-up) is beyond me.

You may or may not have heard this before, but the app is not the instance is not the platform. I registered both my Mastodon account and this Lemmy account via their respective instance websites. I used mastodon in the browser for literally over a year before installing an app for it on my phone.

Apps are alternative front-ends to the fediverse, even “official” ones.

“Basic stuff” is very weird to read for me when many of the internet services I have accounts for don’t have apps - and I would rather they never make an app for it. My electricity bills, my hosting costs, my home internet, all are done through web pages that I can access from any internet-connected device, unlike an app.

Not to mention I appreciate being able to type things on a bigger screen and physical keyboard when I register for things.

Lastly, it is much easier for me to deal with a sloppily made website than a sloppily made app. I can use extensions, and if need be can open up the network tab to see if the registration request was accepted or not before the website malfunctioned on my end.

Prandom_returns ,

You assumed I don’t do this. Of course, number 1 place I go to if I want to sign up, is the website.

I was saying that it’s weird to blame Mastodon for “complex sign-up”, when you’re using a “3rd-party” tool to do so. That’s completely down to the app.

I’ve never, ever signed up to something via an unofficial app.

Jayjader ,

I was saying that it’s weird to blame Mastodon for “complex sign-up”, when you’re using a “3rd-party” tool to do so. That’s completely down to the app.

Ah, I understand now. Thanks for the correction.

ByteMe ,

Actually, it’s not that bad

ekZepp ,
@ekZepp@lemmy.world avatar

I use the official app, is not incredible but do his job.

btw. just use the official (or the web site) x sign in, is not like you can’t use the credentials elsewhere.

PopOfAfrica ,

They’re just gonna have to leave whenever Cara makes some dumb decision. It’s the capitalist app cycle.

FrostyCaveman ,

Hopefully in a couple of cycles’ time, we’ll be ready for them

NotAnotherLemmyUser ,

Whether it’s “capitalist” or not doesn’t matter. You could have government owned/created apps that make dumb decisions as well.

At least with capitalism you have the option to go somewhere else when a dumb decision is made.

PopOfAfrica ,

Most capitalist apps dont allow you to fork the code.

Lemmy, for example, is not owned by anyone and can altered if the main lemmy devs did something dumb.

Of course you already know this, its why you are here. You fled capitalism (Reddit) like the rest of us.

NotAnotherLemmyUser , (edited )

I think you’re confusing the word “corporate” with “capitalism”, they are not the same.

Edit: If you swap the word “capitalist” with “corporate” I completely agree with you.

Hotmailer ,

No one flees capitalism. Stop talking like a Marxist. It’s not possible to have communism in any guise without it collapsing. Exchanging goods and services for money incentives people to produce more. What you’re talking about is corporate greed

thevoidzero ,

Ever heard of open source?

PopOfAfrica ,

When capitalists say nobody would work under communism, they really mean that capitalists would never work under communism.

Hotmailer ,

But communism is a replacement for capitalism, just like capitalism replaced feudalism. It’s something that will come with time and technology, not something that can be forced to happen.

Glytch ,

Exchanging goods and services for money incentives(sic) people to produce more.

What you’re describing here is commerce, which existed looong before capitalism. What you describe as “corporate greed” is capitalism

rottingleaf ,

A decentralized system with cryptographic identities wouldn’t even require that. All these rituals about “dragging your mouse around for 2 minutes” and overloaded UIs, like in Retroshare and Freenet, were simply aimed at people who felt more comfortable, not less, seeing them.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

Needs sybil attack protection.

rottingleaf ,

A few solutions:

  1. Federated identity services. Like old Skype had identity service as its only centralized part, one can make the same thing, but federated. Would require registration and finding one just like the comment I was answering to complains.
  2. F2F and trust elements - people can trust each other via QR codes or something, with 1 trusted peer beating any number of untrusted peers.
  3. Reputation system elements (like Kad network has), which is not enough a protection, but makes them more expensive.
lud ,

Federated identity services

Like an SSO system?

rottingleaf ,

Yes. I meant specifically something like old Skype authentication servers, sharing identities via ActivityPub. So that one person is registered on one server, another on another server, but they’ll both find each other in contact directory and will be able to communicate.

But that’s only for contact info, the actual content of the network should be decentralized and not stored on federated servers. Again, like old Skype (in the point of division between what’s centralized and what’s not).

Hadriscus ,

It’s still a centralized system

tigerjerusalem , (edited )

That’s the thing, nobody cares. Its even better to be centralised because there’s someone you can sue for damages if that’s the case.

Hadriscus ,

Well that’s just not true

tigerjerusalem ,

Yeah, of course not. Oh, wait…

DragonTypeWyvern ,

I think they meant the “no one cares” part

Posted to the fediverse

tigerjerusalem ,

Ooohhh… I see, my bad. But a little disclosure would help…

Hadriscus ,

Thanks for being reasonable

BURN ,

Not only does nobody care, but they prefer centralized services. Tbh I still prefer centralized services and Lemmy is the only federated anything I use, because the others don’t do anything better than their alternatives.

simple ,

Aside from that, people spamming about Pixelfed are missing the point that this is also a deviantart alternative. The landing page showing tons of art you might be interested in is great.

Also Pixelfed would straight up share their images to other servers that might allow web scraping bots which is part of the reason they made this website.

xnx ,

Pixelfed isn’t even in the App Store and isn’t geared towards artists. Cara has specific features for artists including finding jobs

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