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HotsauceHurricane ,

Google engineers need to fuck off.

MaxPower ,
@MaxPower@feddit.de avatar

Google engineers needs to fuck off.

Fixed that for you

HotsauceHurricane ,

👍

emokidforever ,

When will they understand, if I’m introduced to your product through an advertisement, I do not want to buy it. I will make a point not to. Do not annoy me. If your product is good enough, it will be bought.

bellsDoSing ,

I’m in the same boat as you. But considering there’s this thing called the “ad industry”, there’s bound to be a considerable portion of people that are influenced enough by ads, even just at a subconcious level, that investing money into ads is a worthwhile thing to do for businesses selling products and businesses offering ad platforms.

PastorHaggis ,
@PastorHaggis@lemmy.world avatar

I think that, to good day, the only item I have ever bought because of an ad was my eargasm ear plugs. I may have seen them somewhere else first but an ad popped up and I happened to be in the market so I got them and don’t regret it at all. Otherwise I buy things because I do the research, not because they push the ads out.

Neve8028 ,

Ad companies figured out that sales are much better with whatever publicity they can get, even bad publicity. It doesn’t work with some people, like you, but they haven statistically proven that just getting their name out in any capacity will increase sales.

Pratai ,

Google executives want this, NOT the engineers.

Goodie ,

Their engineers are super fucking shady too. For example, the issies with the WebHID “browser” APIs

Pratai ,

And you think it was the engineer’s idea to do that?

Goodie ,

There’s literally a comment from an Google engineer, about WebHID saying that they had engineers “motivated to execute on” as part of their reasoning for telling others to go fuck themselves.

Ogmios ,

Guess who’s opinion matters here?

azuth ,

They put their name on it. I hope it was monetary worth it because the public should not cut them any slack.

Laticauda ,

There are no laws stating that we have to watch or see ads, so forcing us to watch them feels like a huge overstep. Companies shouldn’t be able to have this much control over a public service.

capr ,

so forcing us to watch them feels like a huge overstep.

We live in a fascist society so I wouldn’t be suprised of their audacity…

gigachad ,

Where are you from?

Spruce1538 ,

why has no news site also added, “and they are using their monopoly over the web to do it” as part of their title. 😭

jantin ,

And another question: did someone already lay out a roadmap to google’s collapse?

Right now we’re going through a financial crisis, big tech needs to start making proper money so they try to squeeze the users. Google hopes to “drm the internet” to maximise ad revenue. Let’s assume they succeed. 3 years from now the dystopia of dead adblockers is live, google and other leeches make bank off ads.

But there’s no more adblockers and no more ad revenue left to squeeze out (because every internet user is already chained to a screen and force fed ads within ads). And shareholders demand increase in profits. What do they do then? Is there any hint of a long-term strategy? How long before the maximum theoretical ad revenue is reached and plateaus? Then COVID29 or something comes, fed raises rastes again and…?

june ,

You’re describing the inherent limitations of capitalism. Our entire economy is predicated on infinite growth, which doesn’t exist and isn’t possible. What you describe is the eventual collapse of not just organizations, but of the US as a whole.

FinalRemix ,

Good. Let’s fucking get it over with.

just_another_person ,

No, not the US as a whole, but perhaps the end of the insane and without reasonable measures Capitalism that it has spawned. This is the theorized late-stage capitalism, but it was brought to this level by a broken and out of control system, whereas the academic model of capitalism would have had certain mechanisms of balance to prevent exactly where we are.

The system of the present is too imbalanced to function with all these corporations, conglomerates, and billionaires holding a disproportionate amount of the wealth and keeping it from circulating. The economic system in the US just can’t work this way, so some drastic shift to reduce or remove the wealth gap will need to change.

Telodzrum ,

Capitalism doesn’t require infinite growth. This is some trite line that was invented on Twitter and became the common wisdom in online discussions about the failings of current national and global economic systems. It’s not true. It appears to be true that the current model of capitalism favored the globe over requires infinite growth, but the current implementation of capitalism is not the same as it has always been implemented or will always be. There are more than enough legitimate criticisms of both capitalism writ large as well as current systems, we should be directing our ire through those arguments and not one that is factually false.

TotallynotJessica ,
@TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world avatar

I suspect the argument is that capitalism is fueled by desire, which is psychologically insatiable. Some would probably say that any system allowing capitalism will eventually be corrupted by it and lead back to the infinite growth capitalism we currently live in. It’s the belief that we have to totally extinguish it or it will come back stronger.

Thorny_Thicket , (edited )

Our entire economy is predicated on infinite growth, which doesn’t exist and isn’t possible.

You can sit in front of a computer using almost zero new resources while coding an application which you then sell to a megacorporation for 30 billion. The “inifite growth with limited resources” -argument doesn’t hold.

knobbysideup ,

Imagine if ads had remained a single static banner at the top/bottom of the page and was hosted by the site itself. Maybe there wouldn’t be an arms race to infiltrate every aspect of our digital lives.

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

But that would mean leaving money on the table. Our economy doesn’t allow for that. You must always strive for more, on a planet with limited resources.

PopOfAfrica ,

What’s wild, is the stuff we really need (food and water) are self sustainable. Our resources or limited, but replenishing. Of course we instead base out society off one of the few nonrenewable resources (fossil fuels).

0ppressed ,

This guy is amazing. He is asking for patience to move this to a proper place to discuss this website drm and then commits it to chrome lol.

zerkrazus ,

Yes because that’s beneficial to society and definitely not solely for the purpose of making the company and their executives richer.

PlanetOfOrd ,

News headline, October 2078

Google finds users are covering their ears and closing their eyes; releases nanobots to force eyes open and lock hands behind back.

Deemo ,

Reminds of the 15 million merits episdoe in black mirror

asunaspersonalasst ,
@asunaspersonalasst@lemmy.world avatar

Why has Google have gone to this, becoming greedy bastards?

bufordt ,
@bufordt@sh.itjust.works avatar

It all started when they removed “Don’t be evil” from their mission statement.

uberkalden ,

Their entire business model revolves around ads. It’s what they do

serpineslair ,

I am also very worried about the privacy implications of storing these tokens (as mentioned in the post).

witx ,

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    whileloop ,
    @whileloop@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m afraid I disagree here. This line of thinking might lead some people to targeting Google engineers for harassment, doxxing, etc. We’re better than that, I hope. Instead, we need to call on governments to hit Google harder than they hit Microsoft over Internet Explorer. Back then, there were talks of forcing Microsoft to split off IE as a separate company, we need to make Google do the same with Chrome, and find some way to compel them to stop all browser development altogether. We have antitrust laws, we just aren’t using them.

    witx ,

    I see your point

    like47ninjas ,

    10:10 wholesome response.

    ArcticCircleSystem ,

    People call on governments to do things all the time, but it’s often just ignored. How do we get governments to actually listen? How do we get this to actually happen? ~Strawberry

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t blame the engineers so much as the executives. Those engineers could be people from India on H-1B visas just trying to live a better life.

    Jamie ,
    @Jamie@jamie.moe avatar

    Google and Chrome really need to be broken up. Maybe people should start writing (physical) letters to the FTC asking to review Google’s recent actions as monopolistic behavior.

    It wouldn’t be the first time. But showing the interest is the best way to get the ball rolling that we can do.

    Mastersmacks ,

    How does one do that?

    Jamie ,
    @Jamie@jamie.moe avatar

    I didn’t include details because I still had to research after the comment, but this page details several methods of contact. The antitrust email looks like a good place to start if you don’t want to mail anything. But physical mail is harder to ignore, it actually has to get into someone’s hands and be dealt with. So I’ll try to write up a letter and send that to maybe the regional office nearest Google’s HQ.

    ArcticCircleSystem ,

    Have people not been trying that for years already? How do we know if there’s a good chance that’ll even do anything beyond get tossed in the trash? ~Strawberry

    WindyRebel ,

    Honest curiosity on your answer to this.

    Google is the developer of Chromium and the Chrome browser which uses Chromium. Chromium is free and open source (though owned by Google).

    I’m not sure how you break up Chrome and Google. That’s literally their product. Who are we giving this to? There are browsers that do not use Chromium (e.g., Firefox and Safari being the big ones).

    LostMyRedditLogin ,

    Spin it off on their own and survive like Firefox. Browsers make money putting links in the homepage and adding search engines.

    Jamie ,
    @Jamie@jamie.moe avatar

    Companies have gotten broken up before, like AT&T once did many years ago. In this case, a Google breakup would probably separate some of their services into different companies. At the very least Google (the “advertising” company) should be separate from Chrome (the “browser” company), because it creates a conflict of interest and creates monopolistic behavior.

    In any case, trying to do something is better than doing nothing and hoping it turns out all right.

    PixelPlumber ,

    I think the poster is making a good point though- In this split, google the advertising company can freely contribute to the open source chromium. You need some model that leads the chromium maintainer to reject changes like this.

    Jamie ,
    @Jamie@jamie.moe avatar

    I’m sure there’s some mechanism in antitrust to prevent the broken up companies from doing things like that. Otherwise, a “primary” company would just contract out the old other pieces and they’re basically whole again.

    PixelPlumber ,

    That’s true, I just wonder if open source changes anything, legally. Unless one term of the breakup is “will not contribute to chromium”

    TheBat ,
    @TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

    The US also separated movie producers from exhibitors

    en.wikipedia.org/…/United_States_v._Paramount_Pic….

    And now all studios have their own steaming service.

    foggy ,

    Google isnt Google anymore. It’s Alphabet. Alphabet includes Google domains, Android, Gmail, YouTube, chrome, Google search, search ads, play store, fuscia, Google maps, authenticator, chat, classroom, assistant, meet, nest, pixel, waze, Gboard, messages, google tv, Google photos and the rest

    Each one of these have their own presidents, their own boards, their own teams. They are all directed by Alphabet.

    TheBat ,
    @TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

    Cool.

    Breakup Alphabet then

    MariaRomanov ,
    @MariaRomanov@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    I don’t know that we’re watching the internet collapse. I think we are witnessing tech companies respond to growing financial pressure by accelerating their monetization plans, and it’s blowing up in their faces. The result will be the reinvention of the web. I don’t necessarily know if decentralized apps are going to take off, but I do think the internet will shift towards smaller (possibly open source) sites in retaliation.

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