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Clbull ,

Who the fuck made Tintin CEO of Reddit?

lando55 ,

My money is on Thomson. Possibly Thompson.

haych ,

Controversial take, I don’t think mods need to be paid. You don’t have to be a mod, you’re actively choosing to be a moderator. If you aren’t getting paid for your work and dislike that, then don’t do it. There’s always going to be someone willing to do it for free, like a hobby.

TronnaRaps ,

Not controversial in my books. They are choosing to be unpaid mods, don’t like it? Don’t do it.

bomibantai ,

I agree with you, and I think it’s a controversial take only in the activist spheres of western online intelligentsia, while frankly most of the world doesn’t think it’s a real problem in the grand scheme of things

KingThrillgore , (edited )
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I agree in principle, but its a really bad thing to encourage people to dedicate free time to a thankless job because the only people who will endure it are those with agendas, power trippers, sociopaths, or anyone else bored. In my own experiences and talking to others, mod fatigue takes over after some time.

Community websites are really bears the bigger they get.

In reality, reddit should have its own moderators on the payroll with its own moderation policy. They did this once before, but the person was of questionable background. Instead of trying to fix the policy, reddit just went back to the unpaid landed gentry.

Mods getting paid for their work does not fix the problems they have being unpaid as-is. That requires strict moderator policies, moderation logs, a proper appeal/arbitration process, and even then its not going to be 100% fair. There’s not a whole lot reddit can do at this point even if they went back to paid mods. Which they won’t, because they’re now in the tail end of the company’s lifecycle: Gut everything so the founders can exit, leave the suckers with their shit product.

RvTV95XBeo ,

You realize no one is getting paid on Lemmy right? Yeah maybe someone set up a patreon to cover some of their server costs, but that’s probably not even covering the full costs, let alone the time or takes to admin an instance

lemmyingly ,

Mod fatigue because existing mods limit the number of people on the mod team to a size that makes them do too much work?

Eg. If a mod team only wants 5 individuals on the team and the community has 1000000 subscribers, then that’s on them.

I’m a believer that the size of a mod team should be proportional to the size of the community; modding should be as casual as submitting a post/comment.

Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate people putting in effort to try to make life better for everyone, I just think the fatigue is self inflicted.

GCanuck ,

I also agree. But for a for-profit company like Reddit, there should be a threshold for certain subreddits that require mods to be paid.

That is, for a major/popular subreddit like pics the mods should be paid by Reddit.

For a minor subreddit like r/hotgirls whowanttohavesexwithgcanuck the mods can be unpaid.

meliaesc ,

Why are there minors on that subreddit 🧐 (kidding)

DarkSurferZA ,

Nope, disagree. I don’t think mods need to be payroll as full time staff, but I think the lack of compensation is what is contributing to reddit being shit.

Much like YouTube involves people who are willing to make content and drop it on YouTube for free, the truth is that most of the really high quality content would not be there if the creators couldn’t monetize their work, and that’s because their work costs time and money.

Reddit mods should be entitled to remuneration if the sub generates certain amounts of traffic and content, and then they should be entitled to a set percentage of advertising revenue generated from that sub.

Mods will be better, reddit will be better. Not great, because that asshat spez is still there, but better.

Grandwolf319 ,

I heard their ipo went well and that the stock had some gains.

You know what? Good for them. I rather not be focusing on another company’s failure when in reality I just want lemmy to be how it is today or maybe a little better than today.

We have what we want, let them “succeed” all they want.

SocialMediaRefugee , (edited )

This is the norm for any big business. The top dogs will be wildly paid even if the company is struggling. They’ll get a big fat payday even if they get kicked out (golden parachute). Hell, even the bosses in the NYC Public Library system are pulling in close to a million bucks a year even as they talk about cutting services.

KevonLooney ,

The NYC Library is a huge organization. They deserve that money.

Blame Mayor Adams for the budget. He paid millions for new radios for his police buddies. The old ones work fine, also… radios? That’s top priority?

Wage_slave ,
@Wage_slave@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s too early to see a face and get into a slapping mood.

Get fucked, u_spez

Shadywack ,
@Shadywack@lemmy.world avatar

The Reddit mods and Spez deserve each other. Fuck em, I’m enjoying watching it all burn.

echodot ,

Let me still has mods of course

Rinna ,
@Rinna@lemm.ee avatar

I mean, it wasn’t like I was expecting the guy who refused to take down a popular softcore CP sub until it got mainstream media attention to be morally upstanding.

ILikeBoobies ,

I have no respect for Reddit mods

Just narcissistic idiots

Obviously that’s not about those who mod small subs

Binthinkin ,

The moderator culture in America and probably abroad relies on unemployed people living in their relatives house who get paid nothing but lame perks here and there. That is the bulk of it.

Some people moderate 5+ chat rooms daily without pay.

They are digital slaves. Make no mistake about it. And they somehow have been conditioned to believe it will pay off when it rarely does.

Spez is a shitbag who never did anything but be in the same room with actual important people.

skozzii ,

The mods just have to find a new platform that appreciates them. That’s why I left reddit, I’m giving them free content and a bunch of Spez’s are getting rich off our work.

Then they have the audacity to take away what little we actually had, like the API access. Reddit sucks and the death spiral has begun.

As a final act they will get a bunch of redditors to buy in to their IPO only to see the prices come crashing down while they all hold the bags, and the hedgies get even more of our money. It’s a rigged game we cannot win.

echodot ,

Well we win by not paying into the IPO. If no one buys into it it won’t be worth very much and then they won’t have huge amounts of cash.

SocialMediaRefugee ,

They get paid in moderator power trips. “What did you say? Banning…”

echodot ,

I think some of the mods are power tripping, but when I was a mod on one of the subs I think I only ever banned one person. If somebody else had been prepared to motivate the sub then I’d have been happy to let them do it, but it ended up me me doing it.

gaifux ,

Lol slavery

soggy_kitty ,

Frankly outrageous comparison

soggy_kitty ,

Don’t you dare compare Reddit mods to slaves. Slaves don’t have the option to quit work, mods are doing it by choice.

pachrist ,

No, no… slavery, like knitting or moderating a small forum space, is obviously just a hobby, or at worst, a side hustle. It’s just a way to grow your personal brand, not the single worst atrocity across all of human history.

habl ,

Nobody is forcing them to do it. If they are unhappy about it they should stop doing it. And preferably come to us not getting paid.

PugJesus ,

They are digital slaves. Make no mistake about it.

… we’re volunteers.

Some people do community clubs as a way to kill time with casual acquaintances. I have severe social anxiety so that’s not a desirable option. Some people do sports. I’m a cripple. Some people do church shit. I hate hymns and I don’t believe in God.

So I moderate. And post.

jorp ,

You both have good points. One interesting aspect is that this volunteer labor is actually contributing to what is making the product valuable in the first place.

You could volunteer to do QA for a software company, or volunteer to clean the floors at a bank, or volunteer to work on an assembly line… And we’d likely criticize those businesses for taking advantage of that labour if it were systemic and widespread.

On the other hand you have open source projects which are freely licensed for huge corporations to make tons of profit from, and all we expect is that they give something back (but we don’t even hold them to that).

It’s interesting to think about where moderation work sits among these.

Finalsolo963 ,

The reward for the work is the result of the work. For these communities to exists, there must be moderation and for many people the existence of said communities is worth the cost in time/server costs. Reddit selling stock off the backs of people who perform free labor for them is a problem, but someone who sets up a lemmy/mastodon/whatever to host discussion about the things that they care about is not a slave just because they don’t demand monetary compensation or sell your data. The lack of monetization isn’t a bug it’s a feature.

juicy ,

Thank you for your service

PugJesus ,

o7

tacosanonymous ,

It’s easy to justify not paying bots. /s

fne8w2ah ,

Let’s hope wallstreetbets crashes and burns the damn hurensohn’s “IPO”.

sverit ,

The mods who stayed after the API desaster are lost.

pjwestin ,
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That seems a little reductive. I’ve never moderated anything, but I bet if I spent years building up a community I would also find it hard to just walk away.

BreakDecks ,

You don’t have to walk away, you can migrate. This is more an issue of building your house on the king’s land. The mods that stayed should serve as a warning to the rest of us that building a Reddit community means that Reddit owns the community you created, and that as a moderator Reddit owns you.

capital ,

Anyone who’s ever tried to get a friend group to change chat apps knows this isn’t simple.

I imagine doing it with a few thousand people is even more difficult.

grrgyle ,

I don’t see why you need to bring everyone over with you. Even just a hundred is more than enough for a community

yarr ,

I agree. That’s why me and all my friends are on Friendster.

MonkeMischief ,

Oh geeze, so much. “Hey just grab Signal real quick, it’s super simple and private and SMS seems to get worse as time goes on anyway. Plus I can send you better pictures and videos!”

“Lol meh why you tryin to sell it to me.”

It’s weird, the things people really dig in their heels on. They’ll download apps for the silliest thing but “another chat app” is such an inconvenience.

It’s the only reason I think reddit dot com still resolves at all anymore. If the users weren’t the product, to both the company and other users, better alternatives would be the norm by now.

Grandwolf319 ,

The assumption here is that mods moving is enough.

The mods didn’t have to move the community, just move themselves and let nature sort things out.

nakura ,
@nakura@lemmy.world avatar

I tried to get my friend group to move to Signal from FB messenger because I did not want that nasty shit on my phone anymore. They were not interested at all and acted like it was the most inconvenient thing in the world. I ended up uninstalling FB messenger anyway and only check it on my desktop and rarely respond now unless it is a one on one conversation or directed at me in a group chat. I told them if they want/need to get in touch with me right away to use old school SMS or actually call me.

kabin ,

This is the truth that it hurts. Then again, they are non techy folks and use what mainstream uses

puppy ,

You don’t have to imagine it. The official piracy subreddit did it.

PrettyLights ,

You don’t have to walk away, you can migrate.

We tried that with Lemmy and many great communities only have one or two people posting consistently.

Most people don’t care about behind the scenes

Syrc ,

It depends, if mods were fully onboard and had a plan it definitely works. Just look at Piracy or Star Trek communities.

Eccitaze ,
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And look at the ttrpg.network community for a counterexample, they still have a pinned post on the dndmemes subreddit advertising Lemmy and ttrpgmemes gets like .1% of the traffic dndmemes does. And this is still after a months-long rebellion complete with allowing NSFW and restricting submissions to a single user account, both things that would normally kill a subreddit dead.

PrettyLights ,

I just checked the Star Trek community on reddit and it’s still up with 753k members and 189 online. The Lemmy versions I can find are a fraction of that.

The idea of Lemmy is great but let’s not fool ourselves into thinking big communities actually migrated.

Syrc ,

Depends on what your standard is, to me a community on here having 100+ daily users is already a huge success. I don’t think people expect the whole subreddit to migrate, just enough to have roughly the same amount of content/interaction.

PrettyLights ,

Then its not a migration, which is what we’re talking about.

If you’re happy leaving a group of thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands in some communities for a group of 100 that’s cool, but don’t spin it as a successful migration.

The rest of the world didn’t even realize we left.

Syrc ,

It’s 100 daily interacting, which is much more than 100 subscribers. And Reddit doesn’t have daily users statistics so you can’t really know how many of those 700k are still using the site. Some might have not even logged for the past 14 years. I’d say actual daily users are less than 10k, maybe not even 2/3k looking at upvotes.

The statistics are not comparable, but as long as a community managed to form in here I’d say it’s still a success.

PrettyLights ,

I’d say actual daily users are less than 10k

So 100 times bigger, by your own estimate?

They created a new community, sure. The reddit community didn’t migrate though.

Syrc ,

Less than 100 times. That was a high estimate. Top post in the past 24h has like 900 upvotes, that means 9 times at a bare minimum estimate.

And no one expected the whole community, or even a majority, to move to Lemmy. There was a (partial) migration, and to the end user it doesn’t mean that much if their post is viewed by 100 or 1000 people. A hundred people are plenty to just discuss a tv series.

PrettyLights ,

So if a poster from the Star Trek Lemmy moves to Facebook Groups and brings along a small fraction of the userbase, is it fair to say the Star Trek Lemmy community migrated to Facebook?

Syrc ,

I’d say it’s fair to say “there has been a migration” from Lemmy to Facebook, in that case.

It’s not like the definition itself matters though, the important thing is the end user experience and that’s pretty much been replicated with a community of that size.

aidan ,

Idk that online forum moderators typically are doing work deserving of pay, and that includes me moderating c/politics

exanime ,

Whatever crappy, lazy, inconsistent, mediocre work they are doing, still beats Spez record of losing money on Reddit for 20 years

aidan ,

Yeah not saying he’s any better lol

FlyingSquid ,
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Don’t worry, friends. As a mod of Ten Forward, Star Trek and Lemmy Shitpost, I would never expect a salary.

I do accept bribes.

paddirn ,

What would it take for you to see five lights?

FlyingSquid ,
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https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/71e05b06-8c39-4189-9f01-7d20029f6fa3.png

PhAzE ,

Two bars of gold pressed latinum… and not a shilling more!

Side note: I guess that’s an item they can’t replicate, otherwise everyone would have a lot of money all the time.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

As long as it is latinum and not just that worthless gold.

Rentlar ,

I assure you, it’s a high-grade, premium latinum blend!*

*90% gold, 7% soybean oil, 3% latinum.

hakunawazo ,

Armin is a shimmering man.

octopus_ink ,

Well, those certainly are some attractive lobes. 😏

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry, those lobes are for business.

raynethackery ,

Everything has a price.

elephantium ,
@elephantium@lemmy.world avatar

All magic has a price!

AnalogyAddict ,

Do you take your bribes in homemade baked goods?

FlyingSquid ,
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https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2b088baf-8e97-4eaa-9d1b-c9b86722cdd4.png

StrayingTimbuktu ,

But they’re all Leola root :(

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Neelix likes leola root. It’s everyone else who hates it.

viking ,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

How much for a permaban? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

For you or someone else?

BonesOfTheMoon ,

If I win the lottery 10/10 will pay you.

LiveLM ,

During a recent Q&A video, Huffman argued that he was totally justified in paying himself more than the CEOs of Meta, Pinterest and Snap combined.

“If the company does well, I will do well,” he said. “If the company does not do well, I don’t either.”

Motherfucker is saying NOTHING. Generic ass, MEANINGLESS STATEMENT

themeatbridge ,

I mean, what do you expect him to say? “Lol, get fucked”?

maniclucky ,

A little bit. He doesn’t strike me as the type to keep the quiet part quiet.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It’s also a lie. If the company does well, he gets richer. If the company does not do well, he’s still rich.

paddirn ,

He’ll still get a golden parachute if the company goes to shit.

capital , (edited )

I think what he means is, his compensation is mostly tied to stocks and therefore stock performance.

No, he won’t be poor if it does badly but it would change his compensation in a huge way.

Edit: .2% (rounded up) of his compensation is just normal salary. The rest is stocks.

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