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KingThrillgore ,
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I feel uncomfortable as a taxpayer having inadvertently supported Boeing and they are literally falling apart.

You think Airbus is gonna expand its capacity to build even more planes?

synapse1278 ,
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According the Airbus themselves, they finished 2023 with a backlog of 8598 orders, and they delivered 735 planes that same year. They are occupied for years ahead and it’s probably not so simple to increase production.

Edit: the source: Orders and deliveries / airbus.com

plaguesandbacon ,

Boeing laid off about 900 QA people back in 2019. Now they are reaping the rewards

GiddyGap ,

Elsewhere: Airbus Christmas party budget doubles.

anarchy79 ,
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Which, as we know, is not supposed to happen.

threelonmusketeers ,

Wasn’t it built so that the nose wheel wouldn’t fall off?

Welt ,

The front fell off, so just tow it outside the environment

dogslayeggs ,

That design choice was revolutionary at the time.

anarchy79 ,
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I don’t know where to put it but here’s about MCAS anyway, the cost-cutting system meant to keep Boeing in the game, but also took over flight controls sometimes and nose dived planes straight into the ground, causing hundreds (some say thousands!) of fatalities:

en.wikipedia.org/…/Maneuvering_Characteristics_Au…

wikibot Bot ,

Here’s the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:

The Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) is a flight stabilizing feature developed by Boeing that became notorious for its role in two fatal accidents of the 737 MAX, which killed all 346 passengers and crew among both flights. Systems similar to the Boeing 737 MCAS were previously included on the Boeing 707 and Boeing KC-46, a 767 variant. On the 737 MAX, MCAS was intended to mimic the flight behavior of the previous generation of the series, the Boeing 737 NG. During MAX flight tests, Boeing discovered that the position and larger size of the engines tended to push the nose up during certain maneuvers. Engineers decided to use MCAS to counter that tendency, since major structural redesign would have been prohibitively expensive and time-consuming.

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anarchy79 ,
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I’m starting to think Boeing is under bad management.

Rob ,

Well obviously not… Because the nose wheel fell off.

werefreeatlast ,

Yes but probably management saw that as a problem limiting the future wheel assembly purchases. I mean you can land without the wheel right?

doctorcrimson ,

Between door bolts missing, virgin airlines missing wing bolts, this nose wheel, etc

It almost feels like some kind of related systemic error in the very thorough maintenance documentation required for aircrafts, or a large scale sabotage of some sort.

douglasg14b ,
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Any regulatory agencies that enforce this sort of stuff being defunded, understaffed, or de-toothed in the last 4-8 years?

That’s what this smells like, and we should really be getting ourselves ready for more of this in other industries.

Eranziel ,

I don’t know about the regulatory side, but Boeing gutted their experienced engineering corps starting about 10 years ago. In the pursuit of profit of course. I think we’re seeing the effects of that finally coming to the fore.

My understanding of the role of the regulatory agencies for stuff like this is that they can ground a model of plane if they believe there’s a systemic issue. Like we saw with the MAX.

Carighan ,
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It feels like they’re using the Lego sorting robots to assemble the kit for a plane…

pachrist ,

On some Boeing aircraft, the nose wheel will actually come off when the autopilot system overcompensates during takeoff and crashes the plane straight into the ground. There were aome small news stories about it a few years back.

7provincien ,

It’s even known that the nose itself can come off if the autopilot overcompensates while in flight and crashes the plane into the ground.

Tangent5280 ,

Are you sure? This makes it sound like every time the plane crashes into the ground because of autopilot overcompensation, its a good bet to assume the nose itself has already come off.

aesthelete ,

Maybe Delta should’ve gotten the input of the focus group from I Think You Should Leave when trying to determine what they should do with their maintenance dollars.

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konalt ,
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No space for mother in law.

fastandcurious ,
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This is (probably) not Boeings fault, it’s just that karma is striking back at them lol

Shadywack ,
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The old saying, “If it ain’t Boeing, I ain’t going”, it just needs slightly tweaked to be accurate today XD

blackbirdbiryani ,

If its Boeing I ain’t landing doesn’t have the same ring.

raynethackery ,

If it’s Boeing, I’m not going.

Shadywack ,
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Now make like a tree, and get the heck outta here.

Gordon ,

McFly! Hello!

mack7400 ,

And, every Boeing ever has landed. Some in suboptimal approaches.

derf82 ,

In fairness, the 757 was designed when Boeing was still engineering focused and is one of the best commercial aircraft ever produced. This airframe, N672DL, is 32 years old, so it was almost certainly an issue with Delta’s maintenance. It was also quickly repaired and returned to service the next day.

No one was criticizing Airbus when one of their aircraft was found the other day missing fasteners before a flight: mirror.co.uk/…/nyc-bound-flight-canceled-passenge…

KingThrillgore ,
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“If its Airbus, its the best bus”

Shadywack ,
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All kidding aside, the passenger experience is a lot better anyway. Overhead storage bins on the newer airbus planes is a hell of a lot better, not to mention the infotainment systems that airlines seem to opt for. The way they integrate and function vs the Boeing dreamliners is a pretty stark contrast.

KingThrillgore ,
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I dunno, the 777ER is a great long distance plane, but the A320 is also a good experience. I really think Boeing fucked up with keeping that old workhorse the 737 around at the behest of pilots and customers. Especially since the 777 is (knocking on wood) as safe as it gets, no hull losses from internal factors as of today.

Boeing’s mismanagement is not just a 737 problem: It’s a USA problem, they are the ones that make our jets, missiles, and manage our first strike capacity. These are things that much like our planes, cannot fail. EVER.

Maggoty ,

It’s a bad day to stop sniffing glue!

FenrirIII ,
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You ever seen a grown man naked?

WordBox ,

Surely you can’t be serious!

wewbull ,

It’s a different type of flying altogether.

mack7400 ,

It’s a different type of flying

FlyingSquid ,
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Fedizen ,

is this a new plane or is delta shirking on maintenance (delta’s fleet is one of the oldest)

AirlineF0od ,

This is an older plane. The last 757 was produced around 2004, so they’re 20 years old now. That said, I absolutely love this airframe there an absolute pleasure to fly. The Delta configuration has bathrooms in three spots on the plane. I’m fairly certain the fuselage is a little bit wider than a 737 so you get a little bit more room in the aisle AND there’s more exit row seating. The 757 has an interesting wing design to improve efficiency. It’s like partially super critical or something. Maybe somebody else can add on to that.

I remember flying the 757 a from Seattle to Detroit during covid and it was basically completely empty. It’s a bummer were going to see them start going away.

derf82 ,

This plane is 32 years old, delivered in 1992

Tronn4 ,

The front usually isn’t supposed to fall off

Shadywack ,
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Some are even designed so the front doesn’t fall off.

pineapplepizza ,

It’s not very typical, let me make that point.

Linkerbaan ,
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Not during maintenance but while it was waiting for takeoff…

barsoap ,

No worries, it has been towed outside of the environment.

Parabola ,

Into a different environment, right?

Nelots ,

No, no, no, no, it’s being towed BEYOND the environment. It’s not in the environment.

RizzRustbolt ,

Me, standing in the Backrooms, watching as a busted up 757 goes past:

thenextguy ,

There’s nothing out there. There’s nothing but leaves and grass and rocks.

And?

And a tire.

eskimofry ,

No, no, no, no, it’s being towed BEYOND the environment. It’s not in the environment.

Real life wall clip hack, any% boeing speedrun, impossible?

Edit: Quoted the wrong comment

Nublets ,

¯_(ツ)_/¯ It happens

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