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1984 ,
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People really should use multi factor auth on important sites they rely on…

MDKAOD ,

Ya know, I have no issues with 2fa, but I watch older folks struggle with it for some reason. They can’t fathom the ‘magic’. But I don’t understand 2fa on utility websites that are only payment portals that obfuscate account numbers. Like “enable 2fa for account security!” why? Because someone who has found my credentials on the dark web might pay my bill?

Lesrid ,

I’m also trying to find the angle on it. Like with my ISP I guess someone could have my password but not necessarily my address? So from the ISP site they could peek at my address??? I’m not even sure it has my address unobfuscated but I figure it must somewhere, like “view this bill”.

brianorca ,

A lot of ISPs provide email, too. So getting an ISP password lets them reset your other passwords which used that email address for the “forgot password” prompt. (I’m guessing you don’t use your ISP provided email, but you’re not “most people”.)

TORFdot0 ,

They can use the information to try to send you fake invoices to try to scam you, or use your personal information to social engineer you or your relatives, attempt identity theft etc. Basic info-sec is still important. It’s like leaving the bathroom door open when you poop. It probably isn’t going to hurt you if you leave it open but its still probably a good idea to shut the door if its a public restroom

MDKAOD ,

Alright, that makes some sense. Fair enough.

KairuByte ,
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As long as that factor is auth app based, and not email/text/call/proprietary app I’m all in. If I need to go digging for the second factor for 5 minutes, I’m almost always going to turn it off. Texts emails and calls all get delayed regularly, and it’s super fun to have to sit with my thumb up my ass waiting 10 minutes for an OTP that was good for 5.

1984 ,
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I think for email it’s essential, it’s critical that someone doesn’t make it into your email. Otherwise they can reset all your other passwords.

I have mfa on my account but I just click a checkbox after first time to not ask again. I’m still protected by it and don’t have to do anything until I clear my cookies (which I don’t for email).

Scolding7300 ,

I think they’re thinking of TOTP noy being the standard, where you’d just pull out your totp app and paste it without waiting

KairuByte ,
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Precisely, my brain just completely forgot the term for it and after minutes of not being able to remember for the list of my I just loosely described it. TOTP is exactly what I meant.

HubertManne ,

I wish more were like azure where you can get a phone call and hit pound

KairuByte ,
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That’s also a less secure version of 2fa. Granted, it is still better than nothing, but sim spoofing is still a thing that happens regularly. Making it much less useful in a targeted attack.

HubertManne ,

over texting or an app. because an app requires a smartphone.

KairuByte ,
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A smartphone is infinitely more secure than relying on a SIM card not being compromised. A little social engineering can get you access to receive a text as the link isn’t even controlled by you but a third party. An app on your phone is likely secured by a pin/biometric, and a password/pin/biometric, both controlled by you.

HubertManne ,

yup. if you have or care to have a smartphone. having a smartphone or even a cell phone should not be some sort of requirement live in society.

KairuByte ,
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Oh cmon, you can get a smartphone literally for free these days. And yes, having a cell phone of some type is pretty much a requirement to live in the 23rd century. Even if you are just communicating over free McDonalds wifi (no shame, been there done that) you pretty much need a smart phone in the modern world.

HubertManne ,

its not the cost. I hate them. I use my laptop on wifi.

bobo ,

23rd century?

KairuByte ,
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Whoops, lmao. Obviously I meant the 21st century. Definitely not a time traveler.

bobo ,

Too bad. I was hoping to get some hot stock tips.

stealth_cookies ,

Ideally they also support a hardware key. Not nearly enough websites out there support FIDO/Webauthn.

Akuchimoya ,

One time I had to use a website where the email 2FA expired in 30 seconds! I usually keep my email client open while my computer is on, but, come on, that was ridiculous.

hperrin , (edited )

bitwarden.com, 1password.com, lastpass.com, keepassx.org

Take your pick.

Note: Probably don’t pick LastPass. Read comments below.

Tangent5280 ,

I feel like atleast one of these has been hacked at some point in the past, but I cant remember which.

hperrin ,

It was LastPass, but the passwords themselves weren’t leaked. All of these encrypt the password.

Tangent5280 ,

Ah, alright, thanks. Thats a good thing then, that you cant get to the passwords even if you hack the company.

Plopp ,

This is an interesting and a bit terrifying podcast about it (and other things), from a infosec perspective. twit.tv/shows/security-now/episodes/905?autostart…

shaggy959500 ,

Security Now is amazing. For anyone that wants the deep dive tech perspective, plus what it means for everyday people and users, this is a great option.

Z4rK ,

There is no excuse for LastPass and it absolutely should not be treated with your passwords or secrets.

Passerby6497 ,

the passwords themselves weren’t leaked

You’re not wrong, but you kinda are. The plaintext passwords weren’t released, but the encrypted blobs were stolen. Unfortunately, the LastPass defaults were absolutely shit so people have been able to selectively attack the blobs and decrypt the vaults, leading to millions in crypto being stolen.

I was a long time supporter of LastPass, but they haven’t been responsible stewards of sensitive information. The fact that they failed to encourage or force existing customers to update the encryption settings as they updated their defaults is negligent and is disqualifying in my opinion.

boatswain ,

KeePass doesn’t store your stuff in the cloud; it’s all local storage. You can sync your encrypted KeePass DB in a number of different ways; personally, I go for SyncThing, but you can use Box or whatever.

1984 ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

Lastpass had lots of issues.

Sensitivezombie ,

I’ve had 1password for as long as I can imagine. Never failed me. Happy with it.

Ghoelian ,

Only issue I have with 1Password is their Android app. It works great most of the time, except that they didn’t implement the Android autofill stuff correctly.

It sees Firefox as a browser and offers autofill suggestions for the websites just fine, but apparently Fennec isn’t on their allowed browser list or something. It just sees Fennec as another android app and doesn’t offer logins for the website I’m on, just ones that I’ve linked to the Fennec app.

fmstrat ,

Based on experiences helping people migrate away, I’d suggest removing LastPass from your list. See other replies for why.

Note: For those that care, not only is BitWarden FOSS, it can also be self hosted easily using VaultWarden.

hperrin ,

I added a note. I personally use Bitwarden and would recommend it, but I didn’t want to give a biased recommendation. If, for whatever reason, one of the others works better for someone, just using an encrypted password manager is way better than not.

fmstrat ,

Oh I feel you. I did a ton of research on toilet paper (of all things) and made a recco and my post was deleted as an “ad”, hah

KpntAutismus ,

are these in haveibeenpwned yet?

edit: yes they are, i’m stupid

cdf12345 ,

About 1/3 had not been previously seen in the have I been pwnd database, that’s really crazy. Either this was a very new or private list of exploited accounts.

EarMaster ,

The good thing (for me personally) is that only some very old mail aliases of mine are in this collection. Which means that using a password manager to create and save all my passwords for years does have a positive effect.

SkyNTP ,

A password manager is irrelevant for Have I Been Owned, since the site only matches emails, not passwords. Also, that site includes mega lists which mix and match data from different services as well as spam lists… Not terribly useful.

PM’s and avoiding reuse are still vital despite that.

danl ,

It does match passwords haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Nearly 71 million unique credentials stolen for logging into websites such as Facebook, Roblox, eBay, and Yahoo have been circulating on the Internet for at least four months, a researcher said Wednesday.

breach notification service, said the massive amount of data was posted to a well-known underground market that brokers sales of compromised credentials.

Hunt said he often pays little attention to dumps like these because they simply compile and repackage previously published passwords taken in earlier campaigns.

This isn’t just the usual collection of repurposed lists wrapped up with a brand-new bow on it and passed off as the next big thing; it’s a significant volume of new data.

When you look at the above forum post the data accompanied, the reason why becomes clear: it’s from ‘stealer logs’ or in other words, malware that has grabbed credentials from compromised machines.”

For added assurance, Hunt also checked a sample of the credentials to see if the email addresses were associated with accounts on the affected websites.

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