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focalors ,

Great, now force them to open up their NFC, so mobile banking apps can skip Apple Pay for their contactless payment feature

steve_floof ,

Life finds a way

ipkpjersi ,

Based Japan once again. I would love to see other countries requiring this too, but I’m not going to hold my breath unfortunately.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

I tried to install an old version of San Andreas recently on my phone cause the last update broke controller support (which I actually bought with money).

Apparently we don’t own our Android OBB directories anymore because of “safety”.

So far the “we Android users already have this”…

ipkpjersi ,

Yep, it’s unfortunate that manufacturers are taking more and more control away from users. That’s why open-source software like Linux is so important, you can do anything you want to with it.

FMEEE ,

Yeah Android is Linux. But Manufactures are limiting it so hard that it is sometimes nearly impossible to get a custom ROM on the phone.

v_raton ,

It’s happening guys, apple is start to a open source platform

chitak166 ,

Now that’s what I’m talking about.

NeoNachtwaechter ,

legislation is expected to be sent to parliament next year and focuses on four areas: app stores and payments, search, browsers, and operating systems.

We also get Linux on iPhones??

And the talk is just about sideloading… :-)

electric ,

Big if true. Apple owners might actually be owners of their devices.

driveway ,

They don’t care.

Lmaydev ,

Yeah it’s literally a status symbol amongst kids.

My kid is desperate for one but can’t give me a single compelling reason apart from they’re seen as cool.

KoalaUnknown ,

I like Apple products because they just work. I have tried Windows, Linux, & Android, but I ultimately decided on just using the Apple Ecosystem (except for my gaming computer) because the products just work well. Sure they cost more and are locked down but I am willing to sacrifice those things for things for the boost in productivity.

Apple isn’t for everybody but their products have upsides.

r0bi ,

They just work (usually) if you want to use their products the way they want you to use them.

If you have your own idea how to do something on your own that’s any different, you will slowly go insane.

MigratingApe ,

Why downvotes? They are both right, with an exception of MacBooks. Otherwise, you are limited by use cases predicted by the manufacturer, even if it “just works”.

I use both iPhone and MacBook, with the latter mostly as a Unix that, again, “just works”, but I can even go as far as compile whole GNU userspace natively with Gentoo Prefix (one of many options).

snowe ,
@snowe@programming.dev avatar

Cuz it makes no sense. You wouldn’t complain that the iPhone doesn’t work as a skateboard because they don’t want you using it as a skateboard. It doesn’t work as a skateboard because it’s not a skateboard. All companies design products to be used the way the company wants you to use them. If op is talking about it being super locked down, that’s also incorrect. I can disable plenty of the security features on Mac and it continues to work just fine, compared to windows where if you disable UAC you literally cannot use your computer the same way and it will bug you constantly. It’s just a trope that isn’t really true at all.

r0bi ,

Thinking I am referring to using a computer as not a computer is pretty ridiculous. A computer is a tool that in capable hands can do many things not originally expected by their creators.

I generally like macOS and agree that it isn’t locked down. I’ve used Apple computers since the Apple 2, but the first one I bought myself was an iBook G4 and later a Macbook Air. I haven’t kept close attention since MacOS X went beyond version 11 though.

Certainly not an all-inclusive list but some examples off the top of my head:

  • Use industry standards like OpenGL/Vulkan instead of Metal
  • run 32-bit apps if I so desire
  • hiding config options like monitor DPI settings
  • copy media to/from iPhone without iTunes or 3rd party apps
  • extend the life of hardware by upgrading components
  • reducing the life of hardware by soldering the components to the motherboard
  • use another voice assistant or web browser engine in iOS
  • virtualize their OS on non-Apple hardware
  • run emulation or virtualization apps on iOS
  • iMessage
  • native backups on self hosted storage

Some of these have workarounds or 3rd party apps to handle. Others may not be a problem on all hardware models or is simply a EULA matter. Or Apple has a solution for it if you buy their product for it but if you want to use your existing hardware you’re SOL.

My concerns boil down to the choices Apple has made to keep you in their ecosystem and extract as much $$ as possible from their end users.

AzureRT ,
@AzureRT@reddthat.com avatar

Just give your kid an iPhone from AxiExpress

FlorianSimon ,

By and large, probably… But I don’t think it’s true for everyone.

As an iPad owner myself, I would love to ditch the OS! And I suppose alternative OSes would be pretty popular with the people jailbreaking their phones.

I don’t want to impose alternative OSes on others. I would just like the option for me!

flooppoolf ,

Go see all the crazy kids on r/jailbreak asking the same questions over and over

onlinepersona ,

I do wonder what they mean with “operating systems”. If they legislate that iPhones should allow operating systems besides iOS to be installed, that would be huge. Android, Linux, or BSD on an iPhone… imagine!

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olafurp ,

I personally can’t wait for open sourcing of mobile drivers / driver apis. That will finally allow stuff like turning off phone components for Linux mobile system and not have gyro for some specific phones.

_number8_ ,

sideloading would be nice; i have no idea how people can get proper work done on an ipad as of now (especially with apple at one point acting like it was only a matter of time for them to replace laptops). everything is so overly glossy and surface level and designed for children or the elderly; you can’t actually DO anything!

M500 ,

Yuh-huh! Just get a terminal emulator from the App Store. I will be just a few dollars a month. Then you can ssh into a Linux server you have somewhere.

See it’s an entire computer!

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

So a $1,200 thin client?

M500 ,

No you do not get it.

At Apple we make magical devices that are unlike anything done before. We have truly revolutionized computing with over priced hardware.

If you don’t have a Mac then you are not cool and not good at your job.

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

I’m just going to sit in the corner with my 4070 and be poor then. Sorry to not be cool! Also, my bubbles are green.

M500 ,

Even with side loading, you will still be pretty limited as the iPad is decently locked down. First of all it needs a decent window manager. That alone would go a long way.

But honestly, these things should be running full blown macOS when they are docked to a mouse and keyboard.

They had an 11” air at one point, so screen size can’t be the issue.

tigerjerusalem ,

This could be the real “pro” iPhone. Running m3, acting as a phone by itself and throwing a full macOS with Office and Adobe Cloud apps when docked.

chitak166 ,

That’s the point. They want people to use devices where information is given to them, but they can’t interact with it or give something back.

They literally want us scrolling tiktok all day before it’s time to get ready for work.

Matriks404 ,

What real work can even be done on any tablet that is not running desktop OS? I guess you could write stuff or edit spreadsheets, but that’s it.

Telodzrum ,

I don’t take a laptop with me when I travel, because the iPad is more than enough for my work needs for a few days. Working with large spreadsheets is the only thing I absolutely need a computer for.

I have friends who are programmers and regularly work on just an iPad. As I understand it, they only need a computer for some more horsepower-hungry parts of their workflow.

The real problem with iPads is iPadOS. It’s intentionally gimped so you need a computer for some tasks. The iPad Pro has more than enough processing power and memory for full workloads (as well it should, given the price point), the OS is the restricting factor.

pearable ,

Having app developers be able to avoid Apples forced 30% fee is great. The fee is pure rent seeking masquerading as curation.

FlorianSimon ,

30% might be a bit much, but Apple and Google are offering ongoing services for the price you pay as a developer. From hosting, to payment processing and APIs you can use in your apps, I think what they’re offering has some monetary value that would be acceptable if it wasn’t so damn much. I don’t think it’s toxic rent-seeking in and of itself. What’s pretty toxic is that there’s no way around those fees on Apple phones and tablets.

chitak166 ,

The #1 thing they provide is exposure.

The vast majority of users simply won’t download and install something they find on a website on their phones.

aubertlone ,

Thankfully, it seems like places like the EU and now Japan are considering ALL use cases, not just the majority of them.

otter ,

Even I don’t install random apps if they aren’t on the playstore or fdroid

nutt_goblin ,
@nutt_goblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Unless it’s fortnite and has a giant marketing engine behind it

linuxdweeb ,

I suspect you’re just repeating arguments you’ve heard, so don’t take this internet rage personally, but that is complete bullshit.

  • Hosting costs nothing. Devs will gladly foot the bill for that if given the option. Even if you distribute your apps on AWS (which is notorious for severely overcharging on egress), your expenses will be no where near 15%-30% of your revenue.
  • Payment processing is a competitive field outside the appstores. Even 15%-30% is ludicrous when “overpriced” processors like stripe charge 2%-3%
  • APIs are not something sold to developers. They build them as part of the operating system because they have to. That’s how it works. They could try selling licenses, but it would result in devs not building on their fancy new features.

(you didn’t mention the ones below, but people with your argument usually do, so I’m adding them for completeness)

  • Security is also bullshit. The Appstore and Play store are FILLED with malware. It is not physically possible to manually review the sheer volume of apps published to those stores. They also are not incentivized to improve the process much, because each time your kid or grandma accidentally activates a $40/week subscription, Apple/Google take a 15%-30% cut.
  • Curation/promotion is bullshit. Discoverability on these stores has always been bad, but has been particularly awful since both Apple/Google have started selling search ads in the store. The other day I almost accidentally downloaded a fake ChatGPT app because it was the first result when I searched, it had a very similar icon, “ChatGPT” in the name, 5 stars, and millions of downloads.

These stores also heavily incentivize devs to push subscriptions. I suspect (but haven’t confirmed) that the Appstore and Google Play both rank subscription based apps higher than others, and subs tend to pay a lower revshare fee than other monetization types.

I could go on all day about the rotten dumpster fires that are these disgusting stores. The only people who defend them are fanboys and people who have never actually had to deal with them professionally.

AlexWIWA ,

Their curation is terrible too. The app store has so much shovelware crap

Fishytricks ,

I was against sideloading, because I’m in it for the walled garden and if governments were to use their own stalls to publish their apps, then, actually it doesn’t matter anymore! Our gov apps still invasive anyway, imo.

For the clueless, the particular app scans your face with various coloured screens being blasted through the phone screen, doesn’t matter if you have face ID enabled or not, its their own scan.

Power to sideloading.

Tosti ,
@Tosti@feddit.nl avatar

You being paid by apple to fear monger about sideloading?

If you fear this, just leave the sideloading to others.

WhatAmLemmy ,

Wherever I ever see a comment complaining about sideloading, I just assume they’re an Apple financed marketing shill.

Even if they’re just a brainwashed moron, the argument is so stupid they deserve nothing but ridicule.

kbotc ,

My biggest issue is cancelling recurring services. The Apple model requires that all your subscriptions appear on a pane of glass that you can notice if you signed up for a free trial and it’s been billing you $2.99/month because you wanted to read your kid Dr. Suess books on a flight when you were exhausted. Good luck figuring that out if you only have “$2.99 STRIPE BABELBOX INC” on your credit card bill.

squid_slime ,
@squid_slime@lemmy.world avatar

About 90% of my apps from fdroid. A Foss store that will do they’re best to ensure no anti or invasive features break through to my phone. I am certain that apple will have a similar store.

JustARegularNerd ,

Yeah, I’ll even go as far as to say that because F-Droid apps are usually not for profit you get actually good apps without ads or trying to sell you anything.

They’re just an app that some dude found they needed and developed, and then made available for everyone else.

This is the most jarring difference I find when I go to the App Store, so a FOSS repository for iOS would be so huge.

irish_link ,

Cool. This would be great. Hopefully a push to allow that in all other countries.

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