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highduc ,

I think people who dislike the headphone jack must be young and not have (good) wired headphones.
Older people (older than teenagers and young adults I mean) often have a few pairs of good headphones they got over the years, and it’s a massive waste to just throw them away and buy wireless because that’s what the trends demand. And in most cases wireless won’t sound as good, because the budget needs to go to bluetooth chips, and dacs, and batteries and all that crap, instead of just focusing on audio.

According to Wikipedia, ‘The original 1⁄4 inch (6.35 mm) version descends from as early as 1877’, and it’s been an industry standard since then.
You can use it not just for headphones but as a line out, to connect all kinds of audio devices between them. You can hook up your phone to a car audio system, an old radio (if it has input, I think most do), a guitar pedal or an amplifier, a reverb or an effects unit, etc., just with the “magic” of wires.

criticon ,

I have very decent wired headphones, but it helped that when I bought my S21 Samsung gave me some Buds+ for free, and then I was able to get a pair of Buds Pro for $20 (likely a price error on their site) and I also have some Bose QC35 that I got with airline miles

Also when I exercise I cannot use wired at all. I upgraded to Bluetooth as soon as they were affordable

Now my wired headphones live in my Nintendo switch case

flamingo_pinyata ,

There are honestly no good wireless headphones out there. Yes, in the price range ~300€ you can get some decent earbuds. But still not even close in sound quality to what you can buy for 100€ with a wire.

Thteven ,
@Thteven@lemmy.world avatar

Best option for wireless is to grab a portable DAC/amp like the qudelix5k or fiio btr5 and plug your headphones into that.

I like good headphones but I don’t like spending good amounts of money on headphones with the built-in point of failure of a battery that will inevitably crap out after a couple years. I deal with that enough with my damn phones.

BearOfaTime ,

Meh, this old argument.

You’re on a mobile device in environments with gobs of noise.

Damn few people could tell the difference in sound quality in those situations, fewer still would care (e. g. People like you. Not to be dismissive at all - that’s your thing).

A car is 70db+. Just being outside in a city you’re probably looking at a variable noise level of what, 40-70+?

If that’s important to you, cool, do what you like. But most people are looking for something with far less quality. You don’t need that kind of quality to hear a podcast clearly, or listen to “Dance Dance Track 15”.

xkcd.com/915/

DrRatso ,

You don’t need that kind of quality to hear a podcast clearly, or listen to “Dance Dance Track 15”.

You don’t, but once you’ve had it, turning back and going to something more expensive that is worse, more annoying to use and will be aproaching useless in 3-5 years? For what? Like it straight up is less convenient for me because i forget to charge it and then it starts dying mid-run or mid commute.

smort ,
@smort@lemmy.world avatar

Oh come on. For $230 you can get the Sony WH-1000XM4 (or similar). Works wired or wireless, active noise canceling, pretty long battery life.

For 99% of people, those are “good” wireless headphones. I’ve been very happy with my XM3s for five or six years now

Mango ,

Copper doesn’t discriminate against electrons. Bluetooth however is picky.

prole ,

According to Wikipedia, ‘The original 1⁄4 inch (6.35 mm) version descends from as early as 1877’, and it’s been an industry standard since then.

I could be mistaken, but I believe the modern headphone cable/jack is 1/8”.

1/4" are the bigger ones like the size of a guitar cable.

grabyourmotherskeys ,

When I was a kid, headphones had the beefy one associate with guitars. The smaller ones came out when Walkmans became popular. We called them mini-plugs and you’d buy an adapter to use them with older gear.

Memories based on being born in early '70s. Possibly incorrect.

prole ,

Nah I think you’re right.

highduc ,

You’re correct. But you can use an adapter. Some headphones (especially more expensive ones) come with their own. And some devices (like my USB audio interface) come with a big jack for headphones, but again an adapter makes it irrelevant whether it’s a small jack or a large one.

mypasswordistaco ,
@mypasswordistaco@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

If you’re gunna use an adapter anyway then it makes it irrelevant whether or not there’s a headphone jack in the phone. People in this thread talk about how you can’t use expensive wired headphones with your mobile devices anymore as if adapters don’t exist.

highduc ,

We’re not talking about the same thing here. First off a large jack to small jack adapter would be needed in rare circumstances, if you happen to use a pair of headphones that only uses a large jack with a small device like a phone, which obviously only has a small one.
That whole large jack discussion was started because of the quote from Wikipedia I posted, where they mention just how old the jack is. I’m guessing you haven’t read the rest of the comments since you brought it up?

2nd of all a jack adapter is just “wire”, it’s passive ( doesn’t have any circuitry), and doesn’t require any support.
For a dongle type of adapter that’s quite different. Software and hardware and compatibility come into play.
Lots of dongles have a DAC built into them which is separate from the phone DAC. It’s duplicating something you already have, and if your phone has a good one buit into it (which it should), the flimsy dongle most probably has a very cheap one.
I have a dongle and it only works if I plug it in before taking calls. If I already answer and then use the dongle the sound won’t work out of the headphones so it’s useless…

RavenFellBlade ,
@RavenFellBlade@startrek.website avatar

1/4"? Feh. I use only XLR for my audio needs. /elitist audiophile

June ,

I’m 39, and I almost never used the headphone jack on any of my old phones, and I’m one of those that doesn’t miss the jack.

I get why people want it, I’m just not in that camp, and most of my friends are the same.

BearOfaTime ,

I’m about 20 years older than you, and the only wired earphones I have came with devices. They’re in a box with other crap I don’t use.

I haven’t used wired earphones since about 2006.

So yea, I don’t think “older folks have more wired stuff” holds true at all. All my peers embraced BT and were happy to ditch wires.

shortwavesurfer ,

I am 29 and I don’t use wired headphones anymore

TK420 ,

Ahh yes, you make a statement that is 100% valid and someone else goes, nah, fuck this person, downvote.

Downvoted for a fucking fact. Ugh. Fuck you down voter.

thrawn ,

I have gone too far in the headphone hobby and have exited the nice middle zone where the headphone jack has value. It can’t power my headphones and my phone has no systemwide EQ so there would be no point anyway.

Some people in the headphones sub talked about using qudelix 5k to power it if you wanted mobile but at that point the jack becomes useful only for charging while listening (admittedly useful!). I don’t really think compromise free mobile listening works though, if you have good wired headphones they are fairly likely to be open back already. For those people, a midrange priced Bluetooth Focal Bathys is probably as good as investment as any other closed back for mobile.

Hence why I believe the headphone jack is for those in the middle of the pack: they have closed back wired headphones that are good enough to not want to use Bluetooth, but not headphones too difficult to power or a strong preference for EQ. Which is a ton of people to be fair. I only commented here cause you said “people who dislike the headphone jack must not have good wired headphones,” but I have several and don’t need a headphone jack in my phone. I’m aware that those in my position are a very small portion of the population and agree with most of what you said, just wanted to provide a different perspective.

Oh also, if you’re using an adapter for 1/4” to 1/8”, may as well just use a USB-C or lightning adapter. 1/4 or 2.5mm balanced and a shitload of power would actually make a phone jack useful for my case though!

FishFace ,

I use mine fairly often. I don’t actually listen to music all that much but sometimes I do when my phone is my only data source, and I don’t have wireless headphones.

Ludrol , (edited )
@Ludrol@szmer.info avatar

I bought a phone but the jack was busted and doesn’t have two bits connected in DAC. It sounds horrendous. Compressor kind of helps. I use it once per 3 months. Usually when my headphones are on low battery and I forgot to charge them.

On my next phone I will propably get an externall DAC.

P.S Playing patapon over the bluetooth is impossible. The delay is too big. Over the wire there wasn’t any problem.

Deeleres ,

Right now at work I would use one but my phone (Xperia XZ3) doesn’t have a headphone jack. So I use an old Bluetooth Headset with a jack. The whole setup were presents from friends and my boss, so I wouldn’t complain about any of that. 📱🎧 👍

But thinking about it: It’s totally stupid to build a phone without a headphone jack. My previous phone (XZ) 🥲 had one and it was waterproof.

Gigan ,
@Gigan@lemmy.world avatar

I use it several times a week. I specifically bought a phone that still had a headphone jack. I’m over bluetooth earbuds. Too expensive, too easy to lose, too easy to fall out of my ears and break.

skybreaker ,
@skybreaker@lemmy.world avatar

When I had one? Frequently. Especially when I traveled. My wireless earbuds would die but I had a pair of plug in earbuds I always brought as well. With my new phone, I don’t have that option, so when my wireless ones die, I’ll just sit there twiddling my thumbs.

Iceblade02 ,

Almost every day. For a while I had a pair of decent wireless headphones, but they broke and I haven’t had money to spare for new ones.

alphacyberranger ,
@alphacyberranger@lemmy.world avatar

I use both, but I prefer wired mostly. I use wireless only when I’m walking outside or going for a jog.

drasticpotatoes ,

I don’t have a headphone jack and don’t miss it. I also don’t do much of anything on my phone though. I have a laptop for most things.

MrScottyTay ,

I would if I had one. I still use wired headphones so I have to either use specific usb headphones (which are not my favourite kind) or a dongle so I can use my preferred headphones which are a pair of over ear clip on ones. There are no wireless versions of those kinds of headphones.

BirdyBoogleBop ,

3 times a week for about 2 hours each.

JudahBenHur ,

daily when I drive to connect to AUX in car. Not connecting via bluetooth, read up on vehicle data collection.

there are usb-c to aux adaptors available for cheap

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

Your car is collecting so much more info about than just your contacts from bluetooth pairing and music taste.

Those would be the least of my concerns.

JudahBenHur ,

Not my 99 Honda. I’ll never let her die!!!

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t like having to use headphones I have to keep charged.

eneff ,

I use mine everyday.

Send_me_nude_girls ,

I won’t buy a phone that doesn’t have it. I hate to charge my wireless earbuds, also they break after a few years for no reason because the battery got old. So I have a physical aux headset, will last me 10 years easy and never needs charging.

BUT the other day someone suggested to just get an usb-c to aux adapter and I’ll probably do that in future if the aux connector isn’t present on the next phone.

Anemia ,

I’ve had the exact opposite experience. I have a literal pile of dead wired headsets (most were mid quality but two of them were >100$) but not a single one of the 4 wireless headsets ive had since then have died (the first one i bought have admittedly had its battery degraded to where it can only live for an hour or two, but its nearing on 10 years old now).

Not saying you can’t have the opposite experience, but from my point of view last noticably longer at a similar priceclass (and i run them pretty hard both physically and time wise, easily 6-10h/day, with workouts most day). I’ve been running my jabra elite 65t for over 5 years now as my only headset which is the longest i’ve ever had a single headset. Though admittedly i lost my case 1.5 years ago while biking but i managed to find a secondhand case.

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