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vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

yet again

tooLikeTheNope , (edited )

Got to say they convinced me at last and I finally upgraded.
…to linux

Never.Going.Back.

SynopsisTantilize ,

Yep. The other day it rewrote a registry key that prevented these pop ups. I’m out. Debating which Debian distro to go to now.

Custodian1623 ,

Debian 12 itself isn’t bad

tooLikeTheNope , (edited )

I tried a few, Fedora, LMDE(Linux Mint Debian Edition), and EndeavourOS.

I’d say LMDE if you want a rock solid system, being fundamentally Debian Stable with Mint treatment for user friendliness, or Endeavour if you want bleeding edge updates (and of course bragging rights to join the meme by saying “BTW I use arch”)

JasonDJ ,

I gotta say, I’ve distro hopped a lot over the years…finally caved to try EndeavorOS and it’s my new favorite, if only for the AUR.

RandomException ,

Same! I started with Ubuntu back in the days and was shocked how weirdly bad it is nowadays when I was forced to use it at my current project with the client’s laptop. I mean the happy path is still all fun and easy but after having Ubuntu installed, it’s almost like a Windows experience trying to get stuff installed vs. having AUR available :D

melpomenesclevage ,

Debian is the slow reliable. Go with mint for easy, Debian for completely foss, pop! OS for eaay nvidia drivers, or Ubuntu for… Uh… Ubuntu.

jkrtn ,

Ubuntu is good for if you want Snap packages forced on you. It is a shame, Ubuntu was my first distro, but I don’t think I would ever use it again.

floofloof ,

I recommend OpenSuse Tumbleweed if you want stuff to be very up to date (we got the xz backdoor first! yay!) but also easy and stable. And KDE Plasma is pretty good these days. Linux Mint is also good but it’s a bit slower with the updates.

HughJanus ,

The other day it rewrote a registry key that prevented these pop ups.

This is what drove me away. There are like 7 people that figured out how to make these pop-ups disappear and Microsoft invested money to “patch” that “error” to ensure they were forced to continue seeing these ads.

Revan343 ,

I like Mint

iliketurtles ,

I like mint. Everyone says it beginner friendly, like in a bad way, but stuff just working sounds good to me.

Hadriscus ,

Yea I installed it for my wife and she never has to second guess anything, she knows where to find what she’s looking for and whatever it is, it just works. It’s weird that this feels almost off, right ? stuff “just working”

RandomException ,

I have to give huge thank you to Valve for making gaming on Linux actually a valid option. I’ve been mainly a Linux user since 2006 but always had to have a dual-boot setup for gaming. Seeing the progress on Proton, I decided a year or two ago that Windows 10 was going to be the last one I’ll have on my PC and since my SSD died a couple of months ago, I didn’t even bother to preserve the Win10 installation anymore.

Funnily enough on my front page, the next link below this post was “Microsoft starts testing ads in the Windows 11 Start Menu”. I think that pretty much sums it up why I don’t want to even try to mess with the thing anymore. It’s been a good run and Windows has improved A LOT since XP days but oh dear god all the data harvesting nowadays…

Zerush , (edited )
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Alternative for those which want to use still Windows, but without all its crap and spyings

windowsxlite.com

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

you should NEVER use “builds” like that.
All you need is available via GPO, also you MUST use Enterprise edition in order to turn the telemetry down to “Security”, all other builds can only go down to “Required”

Zerush , (edited )
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

No, I currently have all telemetry and other crap disabled on W10 22H2 Home without any problems. I need to use Windows for several reasons and because of this debloat it was the first thing in the new PC. Anyway in the future I’ll use it in dualboot, maybe with Mint or Q4OS

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

you physically cannot do it, the option is just ignored unless you have enterprise. best you can do is block by ip

emmie ,

I wish I wasn’t a vr gamer sometimes so I could unsubscribe from this os permanently

utopiah ,

Quite curious, I’m a VR gamer (and developer) and so far I’ve just had no problem with Proton and SteamVR, including for officially non supported games.

emmie , (edited )

I am too far into nvidia windows things. I run really extreme games with 4090 and tons of mods. Unreal, unity, blender all that stuff. If there is one thing that windows does okay it’s my use case.

I guess they have me right where they want 😂

Also I am not sure if virtual desktop works on Linux

utopiah ,

I have 4090 and 2080ti setups running both games and AI models, Blender, etc on Linux so I’m not sure where the problem is there.

I’m not saying you should switch if you don’t want to, I’m only saying for my use cases it’s not only possible but wasn’t a problem and has been stable for years, both for gaming, in VR or not (was playing BG3 just an hour ago), and for 3D/XR work.

emmie ,

Cmon Linux NVidia drivers are garbage. You can’t possibly run everything to the same extent or performance. Not to mention ray tracing etc. Let’s not delude ourselves or try to peddle some fiction unnecessarily

utopiah ,

Genuinely confused here, are you saying I didn’t play BG3, HL:A, etc on my Linux desktop and I just dreamt for last few years?

emmie , (edited )

I am saying you played stuff that happened to run okay and not some other use cases where it struggles. I must probably take your word and pretend that it is true in some way even though everything I know about VR nvidia experience on Linux disagrees with your comment.

Bg3 or alyx is not a good example. Rather consider skyrimvr 1000 mods and cyberpunk pathtraced.

It’s just how it is when megacorp pours money into compatibility with one ecosystem and specifically refuses to provide support for another. It could work amazingly if they only had minuscule amount of goodwill

utopiah ,

Don’t believe, check how countless others are doing it www.protondb.com I’m not sure where your experience comes from and that’s a shame it’s been a negative one (and I won’t dig into why, e.g how you did try and when), it just hasn’t been mine.

PS : I wouldn’t consider a game with 1000 mods a “normal” gaming experience. It sounds like it’s yours, and that’s perfectly fine, but I don’t believe this to be representative.

emmie , (edited )

My use case is extreme as I stated before I think? I thought 4090 is enough indication of extreme tbh and that you wouldn’t want to run 3/4 supported Linux with a card like this.

I am definitely not an average gamer. There is nothing average about 4090 and VR. Not to mention elaborate expensive router setup for wireless VR.

utopiah ,

Except that’s my point though, I even started with that… I do have a 4090 also and use it to play VR on Linux. That part IS a “normal” experience. It’s the 1000mods that isn’t. To clarify I mention BG3 and HLA only because it’s AAA. I also play indie VR games on Linux and they “just work”. One of them being built by a friend who was even positively shocked to learn that.

I brought ProtonDB up in the previous post, is that due to the SteamDeck running Linux (but on AMD, not NVIDIA) there has been a huge effort on Valve’s part to make the compatibility layer “just work” so the experience a gamer had with Linux just few years ago is not the same as today.

Another source beside ProtonDB tomshardware.com/…/three-gaming-focused-linux-ope… even though I find benchmarks to be a bit artificial at least not my opinion against another.

emmie ,

I don’t know what’s your point honestly. Great if you have fun then that’s cool.

I just like to use the best tool for the job at hand and that happens to be windows in this case.

utopiah ,

In YOUR case, my point is precisely that you please don’t discourage others who might want to use Linux to play, including in VR, including on high end hardware, to have outdated beliefs.

emmie ,

I don’t really subscribe to any belief system or ideology based software choice. I guess feel free to round the rough edges as you preach your favourite software. We are all a little biased on the best days

utopiah ,

Not sure what to say… you’re the one who said “I wish I wasn’t a vr gamer sometimes so I could unsubscribe from this os permanently” then I should you its possible then you try to argue with me it’s not. It’s weird. Stopping now as I don’t think it’s productive for either of us, take care.

Moonrise2473 ,

If only they didn’t intentionally give up compatibility with 250 million PCs by introducing artificial CPU requirements, then adoption rate would be higher…

But blackrock and vanguard (they control ~15% of Microsoft, Intel, AMD) really needed to increase their profits by selling more CPUs…

Also it didn’t help that until October 2023 the taskbar was completely broken and unusable, people like me forbid the installation of the os in the company for that reason alone

icesentry ,

What do you mean by the taskbar being unusable? I used it on my windows 11 laptop way before october 2023.

Moonrise2473 ,

Combined icons make the computer unusable for who has multiple windows open from the same application.

For example if you constantly have to switch between 5 excel files you can’t directly click on which you need

It’s the reason I can’t stand MacOS at all

Vlyn ,

Well, you can’t directly click, but all you need to do is hover for half a second, then click the window you want (which open up above). It’s a non-issue.

onlinepersona ,

Is the order always the same? But still, it’s quite human to be disturbed by it. A website that loads longer than 200ms is perceived as slow. 500ms on a desktop action is considered slow, so it is an issue for some. Can’t just dismiss it because for you it’s fine. Not everybody’s you.

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Vlyn ,

I mean I didn’t check how long it actually takes, it’s not 500ms.

It opens quick, but I can’t find the default value (you can change the behavior via registry), but it’s definitely less than half a second. Especially when you’re already hovering down there it appears near instant for me.

And let’s be honest: The only reason why multiple icons worked back in the day was because the name of the open workbook was next to it. So you had “(Excel) My Workbook 123.xlsx” in your taskbar. Which ended up as a mess when you had several programs open. Now you have one Excel icon, you hover over it and you see all your open workbooks as a preview so you select the one you want. It’s definitely cleaner.

icesentry ,

It keeps the order in which it was open, it’s not 500ms, and we can certainly dismiss someone that says something is unusable when it is in fact usable just not in the way they like.

onlinepersona ,

Lol, OK grand master of all truth. May your word be our thoughts.

🤣

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VeganCheesecake ,
@VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I mean, not defending Win11 here, it has lots of other issues, but I’d just put each excel sheet on a different virtual desktop and switch with the keyboard. Always felt that clicking was a bit inefficient anyway.

icesentry ,

Sure, that’s not ideal, but it’s far from unusable. I’ve used the combined icons since windows 10 wqs released and never had any issues. It works fine for me.

Poem_for_your_sprog ,

You still can’t make it narrow or move it to the sides of the screen either. It sucks at work at 1080p because the taskbar takes up half the screen it’s so massive.

Ashtefere ,

Lin…UX?!

hangukdise ,

I don’t mind upgrading but windows won’t allow me… MacOS looks not bad. Or linux

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

the taskbar still broken and unusable.
icons straight up disappear when you switch virtual desktops using the touchpad, tray icons sometimes don’t show up, messing with some things can cause an explorer crash

trigonated ,

On my end, the icons disappearing happens sometimes when switching with the keyboard. Also, I happen to use full labels on the taskbar items (like on 95 to vista) and they’re all sorts of broken, especially when changing virtual desktops.

Also, despite having quite beefy hardware (Ryzen 9 + 4090), I can’t use an image as wallpaper (only a solid colour) otherwise changing virtual desktops has like a inexplicable 1 second lag after pressing the shortcut keys.

This is the kinda shit people would give up on Linux for.

uid0gid0 ,

This is what finally pushed me fully over the edge to Linux on my main PC. Nothing wrong with it but they just don’t like it.

melpomenesclevage ,

Yeah, maybe a few delusional shit heads making insane decisions for absurd reasons completely insulated from reality by a thousand layers of abstraction isnt good and we should just count anything run this way as already dead?

rx8geek ,

Uhh, Vanguard and Blackrock are ETF providers, those stocks are assets under management

They don’t “control” anything about those companies.

LordCrom ,

If corporations would just end their love affair with exchange online and fucking outlook, maybe windows would go away

B0rax ,

Well, what is the alternative? Google? I don’t think that is a good trade.

pufferfisherpowder ,

Just use NeXtCloUD

The reality is that there is no real alternative to the office suite including outlook. That is a real problem but just using Linux is not the answer.

frauddogg ,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Except for outlook, LibreOffice.

brianary ,

I work in finance, and the only time I use office is when my coworkers infrequently send me something locked in an Office document. Plenty of non-technical coworkers are addicted to it, but there’s no need, because it’s awful.

The Office programs are an ancient, bloated mess with an impossibly convoluted UI that to one uses more than a small share of.

The styles in Word and PowerPoint are never consistent: the bullets in lists never really match, fonts change randomly without reason, &c. These are intelligent people who have used this garbage for actual decades, and the WYSIWYG lie just results in a sloppy mess.

Even Microsoft wants everyone to stop using the desktop versions, and rent it from the cloud, which can be done from any OS.

For years, there was progress in moving governments away from implicitly endorsing Microsoft, and toward the simpler (but often still overcomplicated) OpenOffice/LibreOffice formats, and Microsoft engaged in some pretty shady behavior to stop it.

Markdown is better for documents, or maybe HTML, or LaTeX via LyX or something. Databases and legitimate file formats are better for data, with scripts for formulas. There are many simple alternatives around, but the addiction is so automatic and insidious, I can’t tell you how often over twenty years I’ve gotten screenshots pasted into an empty Word document rather than just sending the image.

bort ,

why not?

toastal ,

A little less lock-in is literally a little bit better

Bytemeister ,

Someone should let Microsoft know that they only have 18 months left to put out an OS that isn’t a complete dumpster fire. Right now, I would take Vista over 11.

andrewth09 ,

The cycle continues

UnfortunateShort ,

I don’t even get why they care. Can’t you just inform users once, then drop support and still collect their data?

ForgotAboutDre ,

But there so much more data they could also be collecting. Think of the poor multi billion international company.

thirstyhyena ,

What’s new? This has been going on since the launch of W11.

casmael , (edited )

I think now that I’ve moved most of my photo editing to my Mac and steam has propelled gaming on Linux into ‘very reasonable’ territory, it might be time to actually just ditch the ol’ windows. Only issue is I have an nvidia gpu atm unforch.

Sprawlie ,

I’ve fully moved to Linux with a 3080ti. Only non functional feature is HDR but that’s mostly a Linux issue

I went with PopOs and have had a pretty smooth experience

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

vrr and tpm passkeys are also missing which is a bummer since i recently started using both and already used to them

utopiah ,

Only issue is I have an nvidia gpu atm unforch.

Not an issue, been gaming with a 2080ti and 4090 for a while now, just works for me, including in VR on “Windows only” games.

utopiah ,

Edit : link to a (strange) thread with a bit more detail lemmy.ml/comment/10195095 but the TL;DR being that NVIDIA drivers do work and ProtonDB literally “changed the game” during those very last years.

kaine ,

Not creepy at all/s

Redx ,

I took the free upgrade. Then after a bit I updated my bios and it killed my license. Microsoft wouldn’t fix it and said I changed my hardware so there was nothing they could do. Still pissed off about that.

casmael ,

Wow that’s fucking annoying Jesus

Bitrot ,

That’s crazy. Not a Microsoft fanboy, but I’ve had issues like that after an actual board swap and they still have made it right (and technically they were in the right to disallow it), and they’ve fixed issues with transferring around my retail license that I’ve had since like Windows 7 because by now it’s been activated a bunch of times. Enshittification.

Moonrise2473 ,

There’s a mass grave way to get a new digital license from Microsoft 😉

Btw when I changed my motherboard and Windows deactivated, I called them and told them “it broke, then I replaced only the motherboard” (actually was an hardware upgrade) and they give the the phone activation codes. But that was during the Win7 era

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

massgrave.dev

Sam_Bass ,

Not me. I kill any process that pops up in task manager whenever i have to connect to the net. Some of them are annoyingly persistent but so far no full screen popups

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

That sounds exhausting

Sprawlie ,

Also completely irrelevant and doesn’t do what he thinks he’s doing

Sam_Bass ,

I think it speeds up my boot process and even if it doesnt i do like killing bloaty apps

Sam_Bass ,

Lots of fun things are tiring

inlandempire ,
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If Microsoft gifts me a mobo that supports their new tmp2 or whatever then I’ll switch, until then I’m sadly stuck on w10, oh the misery 🙃

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