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olafurp , in PlayStation's CEO drastically underestimates the Steam crowd's patience, thinks PC gamers will buy a PS5 for exclusive sequels

I’m not playing games unless they’re down 50% since launch. 😏

Shialac , in God of War Ragnarok will require a PSN account

How do they justify some shitty account for an offline singleplayer game?

lilja ,
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Even single-player games aren’t single-player anymore with all the online-requiring bullshit publishers have shoved into their games. The game most likely comes with a fuckton of telemetry and user-behaviour tracking which is a lot more valuable to Sony if it can be attached to a specific user.

pro_grammer OP ,

“Fuck you”, that’s their argument

szczuroarturo ,

The same way Ubisoft, EA or whoewer else has their own fancy launcher.

Its an incredibly stupid thing but unfortunetly nothing new

lud ,

At least with ghost of tsushima you only needed an account for the online co-op mode.

sunbytes , in PlayStation's CEO drastically underestimates the Steam crowd's patience, thinks PC gamers will buy a PS5 for exclusive sequels

If it was a couple of hundred bucks maybe

But $500 plus the $70 game? Not a chance.

Kroxx ,

I’d rather upgrade a component or two for that price, you know the thing PC gamers spend money on instead of getting a console to play exclusives.

cows_are_underrated ,

And upgrading also means, that you can(depending on what your components are), have now a lot of games that you can play now, since you upgraded. You also may be able to play now with better Grafics/fps.

onlooker , in God of War Ragnarok will require a PSN account
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Sony be losing their marrbles if they think PC player’s won’t disarrm this requirement quite arrbitrarily. The adventures of snarrling Kratos and his charrge Atreiu in Asgarrd will be played on PC with or without this farrce.

Also, I must also apologize for my grammarr. I find arrticulating parrticularly harrd.

ForgottenUsername ,

We ain’t no filthy console peasants 🤣

onlooker ,
@onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

Nay. We be PC arristocracy!

lemmy_nightmare ,
@lemmy_nightmare@sh.itjust.works avatar

Based

p5yk0t1km1r4ge ,
@p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world avatar

Why did you say it like that?

Robert7301201 ,

I’ll give you a hint: Arr!

ChaoticEntropy , in PlayStation's CEO drastically underestimates the Steam crowd's patience, thinks PC gamers will buy a PS5 for exclusive sequels
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Heh. That’s cute. Pissing off players by cutting them off from their games has been going sooo well for them.

Honytawk , in God of War Ragnarok will require a PSN account

No it wont 🏴‍☠️

Stern , in PlayStation's CEO drastically underestimates the Steam crowd's patience, thinks PC gamers will buy a PS5 for exclusive sequels
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What does he think the mental process is? “Oh Spiderman 2 dropped I’m going to buy a PS5 and play that immediately”?

Nah, the process is, “Oh Spiderman 2 dropped? Oh it’s console exclusive? Guess I’ll play looks at the hundreds of unplayed games in my steam library The same 3 games I always play while I wait.”

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lemmyseizethemeans , in God of War Ragnarok will require a PSN account

Welp looks like I’m gonna have to miss that one then

PunnyName , in God of War Ragnarok will require a PSN account

God dammit!

ksynwa , in God of War Ragnarok will require a PSN account
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Pirate it. Simple as.Unless it has denuvo of course

kratoz29 ,

I wonder if this move will be a good incentive for pirating Sony’s games… I guess we will find out.

ksynwa ,
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For a live service game like Helldivers you could at least logically justify the account requirement but for an offline game like GoW it will just piss people.

helenslunch ,
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For a live service game like Helldivers you could at least logically justify the account requirement

Uhhhh what? No. The fact that it does not exist and has not existed for months shows that’s it’s not justifiable.

teawrecks ,

But you could come up with a believable reason for multiplayer. (Ex. Maybe the devs decided their servers wouldn’t scale and had to move to Sony’s, but those require users to have a Sony account.)

For single player, there’s not even a hypothetical excuse. They just want you to be inconvenienced for their own gain.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

My guy, the PSN requirement was suspended because it was causing server issues. You can use it RIGHT NOW without PSN…

ksynwa ,
@ksynwa@lemmy.ml avatar

Not justifiable but one can weave some twisted logic to explain it. With single player games there is even less explanation.

StupidBrotherInLaw ,

Require a PSN account? My first thought was “arrrrr, not I!”

Broken_Monitor , in God of War Ragnarok will require a PSN account

This is annoying in a way, but really, how is this any different than buying an EA or Ubisoft game on steam? I mean, besides that it’s actually a good game. This bullshit has been normalized for awhile and isn’t a surprise.

helenslunch , (edited )
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

how is this any different than buying an EA or Ubisoft game on steam?

Some of us don’t buy that bullshit either.

This bullshit has been normalized for awhile

Only because people like yourself allow it to be.

Dagnet ,

Gotta give it to EA and ubisoft tho, they really help me boycott them. I wish I could say it takes some effort to avoid their games or that I would buy them if they were good companies but damn, I don’t think they released a single interesting game in the past 10 years

turing_spider574 ,

titanfall 2 (2016) is the only good game from EA in the last 10 years

Broken_Monitor ,

I think you guys all missed the implication that I think EA and Ubisoft games suck. Why am I buying games that suck?

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Your comment read like many I have seen in response, suggesting that “normal”= acceptable.

I don’t really care if EA or Ubi games are good or not. In either case, the problem is not the game, it’s the publisher.

Broken_Monitor ,

Yeah, I could have worded that better.

I suppose I have accepted it as just the way it is and will be, which is a shame, but I don’t buy their products either. I would love to play the new God of War, but I don’t need to that badly. There’s plenty of other great games out there without this bullshit which I would rather support

Corigan ,

I believe the issue is they are way more region limited and you could buy the game but not be able to access it due to that region limitation.

Could be wrong, all I know is from the hell divers chaos

tehmics ,

They’re delisting in regions without PSN. The irony of Helldivers is they backpedaled on PSN requirement but left it delisted in those countries. So people who already bought it can still play but new people can’t buy, so the player base is steadily declining.

helenslunch ,
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The irony of Helldivers is they backpedaled on PSN requirement but left it delisted in those countries

Because they’re still planning to implement it

Rose ,

Yeah, the previous Sony games on PC can be bought anywhere in the world but in Russia, yet the latest cannot be purchased in 170 countries, including some EU members like Estonia and Lithuania.

ElectroLisa ,
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It isn’t, and shouldn’t be normalised but criticised. Yet people buy into this shit anyway

VeryImportantUser ,

how is this any different than buying an EA or Ubisoft game on steam?

Who says it is different? Some time ago, I wanted to buy South Park: The Fractured but Whole on Steam, but when I saw the Ubisoft account requirement, I immediately close the tab.

Broken_Monitor ,

As you should, good job. I guess I failed to elaborate - I think unfortunately it will still sell very well, as has been demonstrated by other companies doing this. I don’t expect Sony to stop, they had the opportunity, are doubling down, and it does suck. I guess I have a hard time being outraged when really it’s nothing new. Same shit, different company.

buddascrayon , in PlayStation's CEO drastically underestimates the Steam crowd's patience, thinks PC gamers will buy a PS5 for exclusive sequels

Gaming PCs are almost universally faster and more powerful than any gaming consoles, no matter how flashy and prettily designed. (Hell, even mid tier PCs generally kick the ass of most consoles) So why the hell would a PC gamer downgrade their gaming experience by wasting their money on a console?

Cethin ,

There is something to say about how well the storage is integrated into the PS5 in particular. The latency is much lower than PC storage generally is, even for m.2 NVMe. That probably isn’t actually that large of an issue that the games using that couldn’t work on PC, especially if you have a lot of RAM, which is even faster.

daq ,

For me it’s the paid multiplayer that ruins it.

Diurnambule ,

Yeah that amazing people are paying extra to be able to use internet

TheOakTree ,

I think that current-gen console gamers are becoming increasingly aware of the reason why consoles can still be competitive: quantity, optimization, and upscaling. It becomes very apparent when every AAA game ships with two graphics modes, performance and quality, which are usually just changes in internal resolution/upscaling, LoD, texture budget, and lighting/RT.

Purely in the perspective of gaming performance per dollar, the current-gen consoles just barely beat out mid to upper-mid range PCs, but factoring in all the other uses of a PC pushes the comparison in PC’s favor.

szczuroarturo ,

Do they? Last time i checked decent pc was at least twice as expensive. Granted pc does have advantage in versatility but if you dont need it then consoles win. Also price to performance is flawed metrics. Ultimately the only thing that matters is that game works fine. And since they are targeted for consoles first usualy they do work on them good enough. Sure on pc they technicaly can have higher resolution or a bit more detail but it really doesnt matter that much in a grand scheme of things.

Stovetop ,

A decent GPU alone will run as much as an entire PS5. You get other computer perks when building a PC, but the simple fact is that a lot of gamers are priced out of it.

bigschnitz , (edited )

I think this is completely misguided. An equivalent GPU as in the ps5 is reportedly an RTX 5700 XT ~$200.

The RTX 4060 Ti ~$400 or RTX 3080 ~$450 is comparable if you want 4k gaming, but since most people don’t have TV hardware suitable for 4k gaming it’s a dumb comparison unless you include the $2000 TV in addition to the cost of the console. The TV alone compares the cost of a competent 4k PC rig before you consider the $500 console, multiplayer subscription cost and higher price of games so unless you’re part of the niche that has a very high quality TV already, the claim that console gaming being cheaper seems mistaken.

Stovetop ,

4K TVs are not $2000, they’re incredibly cheap these days. You can get a 70-inch 4K TV at Costco or similar retailers for less than $500. And even less than that for more reasonable TV sizes.

I normally don’t like factoring in the cost of other hardware anyways because the computer will also need a monitor, mouse, keyboard, speakers, etc. which are things you don’t necessarily want to skimp on either.

bigschnitz ,

Sure you can get a cheap 4k TV way less, but without a good refresh rate and response time it’s not suitable for gaming. $2k may be high, I’ve not been in the market super recently but it’s certainly wrong to say an entry level 4k Samsung from Costco is suitable for gaming, the response time isn’t close to give the right experience. Same logic as setting graphics to 4k and playing at like 15 fps on a computer on a dog of a GPU.

A computer does need a monitor, and honestly a decent one does cost often upwards of $300, but smaller size without any of the bundled processors etc make it way cheaper than a TV that can do the same.

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  • buddascrayon ,

    My $1000 home built machine from 10 years ago can run circles around the XBox One so I respectfully disagree.

    That’s with an AMD FX-8150 and 16 GB or Ram and a standard Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 Ti running on an 8 year old Samsung solidstate.

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  • buddascrayon , (edited )

    Tflops is floating point math genius, and the FX-8150 gets around 8 of 'em so it’s handling a huge chunk of it and offloading a lot of the finer details to the graphics card. Not even mentioning the added instruction sets. The Ryzen is handling both cause all the graphics is being run through the processor instead of through a card. So it’s doing double duty. And yeah, ram makes up for a lot. There’s also separate ram on the card so in addition the the 16 gigs of ram on board the mobo, there’s 4 more gigs on the graphics board. Not to mention the vram running off the solid state. So I will happily put my 10+ year old machine right up against any and all the consoles and it will kick every one of their asses.

    I said I respectfully disagree but you wanted to take it to the floor.

    Edit: here’s a spec sheet including the tflops on the Xbox one, one s, and one x.

    Edit2edit: wrong GPU. Still, 2.1 beats the shit out of Xbox 1 and 1S at 2.1, and that’s without the processor doing all the heavy lifting.

    Thcdenton , in PlayStation's CEO drastically underestimates the Steam crowd's patience, thinks PC gamers will buy a PS5 for exclusive sequels

    No Sony. You had every chance to win me over and you blew it.

    frauddogg , in God of War Ragnarok will require a PSN account
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    Real talk what was the point of porting if they’re still gonna force us to make another goddamn account for their shitty, annually-hacked launcher-adjacent-service? Fuckin keep it. Keep it and all the rest of 'em in the pipeline that Sony wants to stick their collective dick in before pushing to Steam.

    jaxiiruff , in God of War Ragnarok will require a PSN account

    wack, glad ratchet and clank came out before they decided to shoot themselves in the foot

    JoeKrogan ,
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    Could come in a future update

    helenslunch ,
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    And I could refund the game after a future update.

    NeryK ,
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    Wonderful game, excellent port, no account or DRM or anticheat requirements… And yet it has abysmal sales on PC, go figure.

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