I have enough games in my steam library that I could never buy another game, and be perfectly content. I’m quite willing to wait as long as it takes for a game to not only be brought to steam, but to get a major sale or be featured in a game bundle. Only difference is that if it takes too long, I’ll never get it at all because I’ll have better options.
I have enough games in my steam library that I could never buy another game, and be perfectly content
So, just Rimworld then.
Honestly though, same. I was really interested in Ghosts of Tsushima when it launched. Now years later it’s finally on PC but it costs more than I usually pay for new games. Fuck that. The only way I’m buying a PS5 is if a friend wants one and is willing to let me get it, play FF7 & 16 then sell it to them in a few months.
Not rimworld specifically, but when I was younger I played the hell out of my games. I would replay them over and over, finding every secret. Big RPGs already take a long time to beat, but I would do multiple playthroughs as different classes and play styles.
These days I have less time and way more games. There’s a part of me looking for an excuse to not buy any interesting new game because I feel guilty about all the great games I own and haven’t played, and the games I have played I’ve only played once and haven’t “finished”.
PlayStation’s CEO drastically overestimates the PC crowd’s wallet capacity, thinks PC gamers will buy an inferior, overpriced, locked down PC that can only play specific games on a non-replacable proprietary OS with planned obsolescence for when the PS6 comes out
I’ll never not be a PC gamer but calling PS overpriced at the moment is wild. Compared to the cost of PC components right now 5 or 6 hundred is not ridiculous. That’s cheaper than mid to high tier GPU alone.
it is not as if used PCs with year old components aren’t cheaper than new ones. The console is significantly worse here because the subscription prices do not get reduced by anything because the hardware is older.
You are forgetting that you have to pay to play online. Your $500 console is an $800 console if you use it for 5 years. You can build a roughly PS5 equivalent PC (RX 6700) for more like $650-700 which is less overall.
Plus it’s a computer so you can also use it for normal computer things, and the games themselves are generally much cheaper with a huge backlog and sales all the time.
I did forget that. Also that price point is awesome, I just dumped a ton on a fresh build. I didn’t want to minmax on it but it’s cool you can get it that low and still have that level of quality. Gotta hate NVIDIA.
My PC game library goes back literally 30+ years. (I think the oldest game I play occasionally is Eye of the Beholder, 1991. The original doom is still good and from 1993)
The Eye of the Beholder series really bring back childhood memories, even if i didn’t finish any of them - furthest i got was in EotB 2, and i after being stuck for a while in an area with those cultists i gave up. i didn’t even understand english back then lol
I only had the first one. I found it at a yard sale, and luckily they also had the instruction manual and hint book. The game had a check where when you tried to go to the second floor, it would ask you like “what is the third word on the page with a picture of an axe in the corner in the instruction manual?”. Early DRM. If you got it wrong, I’m pretty sure you couldn’t proceed.
The hint book was also written in character from the point of view of someone who had gone before you. It was like an idiot noble and his long suffering servant. Great way of doing it.
This is an excellent point. The availability of games.
On PC, you can play pretty much every game ever, with varying degrees of legality, whether directly, or indirectly using an emulator, with the only exception to this being very modern titles on consoles which do not have an emulator for PC yet, or that are still locked in a bullshit exclusivity deal.
Meanwhile, PS/XBox is limited to whatever Sony/Microsoft deems appropriate to have on their console.
On console you live and die by someone else’s rules, on PC, the sky is the limit.
Perhaps in isolation, but given that most people need a PC, would you rather:
a) buy a subpar PC for productivity and a console that’s going to be wasted money in a few years’ time, and you need to invest even more money on a new console (unless you never want to play new games again), and/or pour a bunch of money into scam subscription online services to get games (or even play them at all if they’re online)
b) buy a good PC with money you would have otherwise spent on the console, that will last effectively until the hardware dies, and even then you can upgrade it instead of buying a new PC
I agree the LLM and cryptobro insanity has screwed the GPU market, but in the long run even at the current prices PCs are still a better deal.
As I said I play games on PC so I would rather option B. I’m just saying that I don’t think PS is comparatively that expensive. If PCs are a better deal, it’s not by that much.
Oh that reminds me, didn’t Horizon Forbidden West finally come out for real this year? I think they had some sort of limited beta on some proprietary hardware in 2022 and 2023.
I quit their system when they changed things around and my life hasnt changed, Indont even play online.
Tbh the way things have gone, I went and bought a PC, got some emulators and got all my catalog on to the system and any nintendo exclusives or PS exclusives I buy second hand. I have hated this generation between the ps5 and switch everything underwhelmed
FWIW there are exceptions to that. On PlayStation, you only need a subscription if PSN handles the online component of the game. Companies that manage their own online services don’t require it. Genshin Impact, Final Fantasy 14, Warframe, Fortnite, etc. can all be played without PS+
I don’t own an Xbox so I am not quite sure, but I don’t think it applies in quite the same way, namely that in order to play Final Fantasy XIV on Xbox, I read that you need a Gamepass subscription in addition to the game subscription itself, which is not a requirement on PlayStation.
I’ve waited for Alan Wake 2. I’ve waited for countless of other games, time is on my side.
I have so many games in my backlog and on my steam wishlist, I dont really even care if some great game will miss steam. However, I will buy good games without denuvo and sometimes I can even pay the full price upon release. Rare, but a few times a year this can happen.
I still haven’t even started Kingdom Hearts 3 (I know, I know), which I pre-ordered before I even owned a PS4 (I know, I know). And now it’s looking like I’ll be able to play that on PC before playing it on the console I bought specifically for it. I can wait these fuckers out for decades if I have to.
Switch game prices are ridiculous! I think my (teenage) kids have 4 games for their Switch because nobody wants to pay those prices. I don’t know how many 100s of dollars they’ve spent on Steam games over the years at $5-20 per game, but they’re never willing to spend $40-60 and they won’t even put Switch games on their wishlist at that price.
I finally picked up a steam deck so I can find more time to enjoy my library. It’s weird how your attitude changes when you start using your gaming PC for studying or work. I just don’t want to sit there for a few more hours after spending three or four working on something.
Could I buy a PlayStation. Yes. Will I, no. I lost interest in PlayStation back during the PS3. That console saw more Blu-rays and DVDs than games. Never bought a PS4.
And if/when this or any other formerly exclusive games come to PC, it has to compete with current release PC titles, but itself will be judged as an older title. It doesn’t matter to me if it’s new to the platform. I won’t be paying new game price for a port of an old title.
This is my problem with Ghosts of Tsushima… It’s already 4 years old. I’m not willing to pay 80 bucks for a game either way, but definitely not a 4 year old game!
Real talk what was the point of porting if they’re still gonna force us to make another goddamn account for their shitty, annually-hacked launcher-adjacent-service? Fuckin keep it. Keep it and all the rest of 'em in the pipeline that Sony wants to stick their collective dick in before pushing to Steam.
Gaming PCs are almost universally faster and more powerful than any gaming consoles, no matter how flashy and prettily designed. (Hell, even mid tier PCs generally kick the ass of most consoles) So why the hell would a PC gamer downgrade their gaming experience by wasting their money on a console?
There is something to say about how well the storage is integrated into the PS5 in particular. The latency is much lower than PC storage generally is, even for m.2 NVMe. That probably isn’t actually that large of an issue that the games using that couldn’t work on PC, especially if you have a lot of RAM, which is even faster.
I think that current-gen console gamers are becoming increasingly aware of the reason why consoles can still be competitive: quantity, optimization, and upscaling. It becomes very apparent when every AAA game ships with two graphics modes, performance and quality, which are usually just changes in internal resolution/upscaling, LoD, texture budget, and lighting/RT.
Purely in the perspective of gaming performance per dollar, the current-gen consoles just barely beat out mid to upper-mid range PCs, but factoring in all the other uses of a PC pushes the comparison in PC’s favor.
Do they? Last time i checked decent pc was at least twice as expensive. Granted pc does have advantage in versatility but if you dont need it then consoles win. Also price to performance is flawed metrics. Ultimately the only thing that matters is that game works fine. And since they are targeted for consoles first usualy they do work on them good enough. Sure on pc they technicaly can have higher resolution or a bit more detail but it really doesnt matter that much in a grand scheme of things.
A decent GPU alone will run as much as an entire PS5. You get other computer perks when building a PC, but the simple fact is that a lot of gamers are priced out of it.
I think this is completely misguided. An equivalent GPU as in the ps5 is reportedly an RTX 5700 XT ~$200.
The RTX 4060 Ti ~$400 or RTX 3080 ~$450 is comparable if you want 4k gaming, but since most people don’t have TV hardware suitable for 4k gaming it’s a dumb comparison unless you include the $2000 TV in addition to the cost of the console. The TV alone compares the cost of a competent 4k PC rig before you consider the $500 console, multiplayer subscription cost and higher price of games so unless you’re part of the niche that has a very high quality TV already, the claim that console gaming being cheaper seems mistaken.
4K TVs are not $2000, they’re incredibly cheap these days. You can get a 70-inch 4K TV at Costco or similar retailers for less than $500. And even less than that for more reasonable TV sizes.
I normally don’t like factoring in the cost of other hardware anyways because the computer will also need a monitor, mouse, keyboard, speakers, etc. which are things you don’t necessarily want to skimp on either.
Sure you can get a cheap 4k TV way less, but without a good refresh rate and response time it’s not suitable for gaming. $2k may be high, I’ve not been in the market super recently but it’s certainly wrong to say an entry level 4k Samsung from Costco is suitable for gaming, the response time isn’t close to give the right experience. Same logic as setting graphics to 4k and playing at like 15 fps on a computer on a dog of a GPU.
A computer does need a monitor, and honestly a decent one does cost often upwards of $300, but smaller size without any of the bundled processors etc make it way cheaper than a TV that can do the same.
Tflops is floating point math genius, and the FX-8150 gets around 8 of 'em so it’s handling a huge chunk of it and offloading a lot of the finer details to the graphics card. Not even mentioning the added instruction sets. The Ryzen is handling both cause all the graphics is being run through the processor instead of through a card. So it’s doing double duty. And yeah, ram makes up for a lot. There’s also separate ram on the card so in addition the the 16 gigs of ram on board the mobo, there’s 4 more gigs on the graphics board. Not to mention the vram running off the solid state. So I will happily put my 10+ year old machine right up against any and all the consoles and it will kick every one of their asses.
I said I respectfully disagree but you wanted to take it to the floor.
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