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Krafting , in Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 support will end tomorrow (January 1st 2024)
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www.linuxmint.com

Time to use something better boys

hddsx ,

I thought you said better

archlinux.org

gunpachi ,

Well both are good choices, but for new linux users coming from windows - Mint would be way easier to get started with.

hddsx ,

Why mint over Debian, Alma, Rocky… or heck, Ubuntu?

DarkThoughts ,

Debian is just old unless you go into the unstable branches, and I don't use that as an insult because Debian is obviously supposed to be stable. I have literally never heard of Alma or Rocky, and Ubuntu is just shit and has Snap as well as a very unfamiliar desktop layout. Cinnamon or KDE will be much better entries for people coming from Windows.

Arch is of course just a stupid suggestion for Linux newbies and I honestly can't take people like you serious for doing so unironically.

hddsx ,

I agree that arch is stupid for newbies. I was taking a poke at mint. I would never suggest that.

Alma/Rocky is what CentOS used to be.

You can install KDE on Ubuntu, but point taken on KDE (I’m not familiar with cinnamon).

I suggested basically RHEL and Debian because, like you said they are stable and relatively easy to install.

Snap is rather new to me as well. I have a recent LTS install of Ubuntu and I don’t use it. I doubt someone who’s new into Linux will touch it.

My other big concern is systemd. If you’re not familiar with Linux, systemd is a nightmare when things go wrong. But, I suppose a newbie won’t care

Illecors ,

You think you don’t use it. Have firefox installed? All that apt install did was grab a wrapper for snap :( same for some other software.

hddsx ,

Instead of downvoting, here’s how I feel about that: =<

DarkThoughts ,

GRUB was a nightmare for me when things went wrong (EndeavourOS / Arch). I think you can say that to a lot of critical Linux system components though. Mint is generally one of the more stable distros out there though and generally considered to be the better Ubuntu.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

The cinnamon desktop is super nice, but mint didn’t play well with my gpu for some reason, but you can install the desktop environment on Ubuntu.

folkrav ,
  • Alma/Rocky - I wouldn’t particularly push fresh converts to RHEL/CentOS based distros, but maybe that’s just me…
  • Debian - sure… given they can figure out the slightly less intuitive installer and non-free stuff
  • Ubuntu - Canonical has been making some weird decisions lately. With them dropping Unity, then Mir… I wouldn’t bet on snaps while the rest of the world settled on flatpak
casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer ,

Just give em Fedora. Seems to get people good mileage from newb to netadmin

folkrav , (edited )

Would you wish SELinux on a beginner tho

Jesting apart, it’s admittedly a solid option. Sticking to a mainstream distro is typically what I recommend, regardless of which one. Most of the debates surrounding distros are pretty silly to begin with, IMHO, considering most differences boil down to which package manager and init system they use, and their set of default software and configurations.

stoy ,

Personally I would pick Mint over Alma/Rocky as I am less familiar with RPM based distros than DEB based distros, I would recommend Mint over Debian as it is easier to get working with gaming, Ubuntu is great, but I won’t recommend snaps to a new user.

Krafting ,
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Linux is linux, no matter the distro! It’s not by arguing which distro is better that the year of the linux desktop will happen!!!

hddsx ,

Dunno. I’m not convinced the “year of Linux desktop” will ever happen. Granted, I now mostly use it for work, so I’m not up to date on the latest, but……

  1. Common distributions like Ubuntu, Debian, RHEL, etc have extremely clunky upgrade system
  2. Microsoft Office. I’m sorry, libreoffice will not be a replacement.
  3. I heard this has improved, but Wayland used to be terrible.
ahriboy ,

Neither of Microsoft Office competitors will be replacement, even WPS.

Arbiter ,

no, they said better

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lockhart ,

Perfection.

TalesFromTheKitchen ,
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I tried. I finally wanted to switch away from Windows and installed mint. Spent about 3 hours trying to get my headphone jacks to work with some mildly obscure tools and commands but no dice. Then I managed to destroy one of my partitions by trying to Mount it but it gave me an obscure error. Searched the forums and found NTFS fix, well turns out I accidentally had turned the partition dynamic when moving it to a larger drive. NTFS fix didn’t like that and promptly destroyed the file table. I lost a buch of data. So back to the cruddy Windows then…I’m not tech savvy enough, which is sad.

SnugZebras ,

Well, valve plans on bringing steam deck os to desktop eventually.

circuitfarmer ,
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If you’ve never, ever used Linux before and are not confident about its tools, it’s almost always better to use a fresh machine. NTFS and Linux really don’t mix well, for example.

TalesFromTheKitchen ,
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Haha, yeah, as I’ve learned. I’ll try again when I build a new machine. I really like the overall look and feel of Mint.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

Just boot it off a thumb drive and take it for a test drive.

Use Ventoy if you want to test multiple distros.

TalesFromTheKitchen ,
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I did that prior and decided I like it, so I did a proper install. I just didn’t try the sound jacks and didn’t notice one of my drives not mounting.

circuitfarmer ,
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It’s been a few years since I used Mint, but I enjoyed it. Most of the Debian-based distros are very similar, actually. All are decent for beginners. If not Mint, Pop is another good option.

drctrl ,

Backups before doing anything else with partitions (or OS in general)

TalesFromTheKitchen ,
@TalesFromTheKitchen@lemmy.ml avatar

Yes, all the important stuff was backed up naturally. Still lost some, I’d say “nostalgic old files” It just happens when you have large drives you can’t just back it up without paying lots.

umbrella ,
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mint will be stuck on xorg for the foreseeable future.

if you want something with similar workflow to windows, KDE distros are pretty good nowadays.

MrScottyTay ,

To me mint was always the closest to what I wanted as a Windows user. I still user windows most of the time now but whenever I use Linux, it’s mint.

jaeme ,

mint will be stuck on xorg for the foreseeable future.

Mint will use xorg as the default session until 2026, where it is projected that wayland will solve most if not all of its showstoppers.

Mint’s cinnamon DE is built off of Mutter, GNOME’s compositor, so all it means is that Mint will be doing the same thing that it has always done, been what GNOME could have been if it hadn’t reinvented itself.

Mint is a workflow extremely similar to what most users have experienced on Windows and specifically caters to Windows users or users coming from proprietary operating systems.

umbrella ,
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2026 is a hell of a wait though considering new drivers and software will start targeting wayland in that time.

jaeme ,

It is, but Mint has always prided itself on adopting new technology late once all the dust has settled. Besides, it’s just for Wayland being the default (and most likely deprecating the X11 session), a usable wayland session for cinnamon will most likely be available come 2025.

There’s always POP!_OS going in hot with their COSMIC compositor, so people who want to adopt wayland can do so when POP!_OS does and still have that “Ubuntu™ experience minus Canonical” distro.

If you want to see a hell of a wait, you should check out RHEL’s deprecation timeline.

CrypticCoffee , (edited )

Why does it matter? What user really cares if it’s Wayland or x11? Software is about solving problems for the user. Mint is far superior to Windows.

Sent from KDE with x11…

umbrella , (edited )
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because its unmantained and will not get new features anymore, i dont expect new software and hardware to support it going forward.

sent from gnome and x11!

CrypticCoffee ,

It doesn’t need new features and I’m pretty sure any bugs, vulnerabilities will still get ironed out. We both know Wayland will kill x11. The point is, considering we are both using x11, why should a new person from Windows need it now?

In a few years, my position would be different, but for now, mileage varies and many face use cases it doesn’t yet cover. X11 is mature and mostly just works.

umbrella ,
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because its dying soon, no need to go all in on it now.

neither of us will be using it. its already dead if your hardware doesnt include nvidia.

CrypticCoffee ,

No one is going all in, and once distros retire it, it’s dead. Jumping before distros because you have a rush of blood to the head isn’t particularly helpful.

My hardware has no Nvidia, but getting screen recording on Wayland was a royal pain in the backside. Functionally, x11 just works better for me right now. When they iron this stuff out and make it effortless, great, but until then, the software still needs maturing.

umbrella ,
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my point is that this kind of issue will be ironed out anyway and its looking like its gonna be sooner rather than later.

i dont mind if you are already invested in using xorg and its working out for you (hey, i do too). i just dont see much reason to go into linux for the first time as a noob with it in mind at all.

CrypticCoffee , (edited )

They don’t need to think about display servers. Just update and it will resolve itself. You’re overcomplicating things and scaring people away from Linux.

umbrella , (edited )
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thats what i said.

except recommending unmantained software is bound to cause issues for a layman user, regardless of what it is.

CrypticCoffee ,

Do you have evidence it is unmaintained?

Last commit years ago?

umbrella , (edited )
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it needs bits and bobs to keep working as is. last commit is an indicator but not a great one by itself.

it aint getting new support, and security patches are taking their sweet damn time. compare that with projects that support wayland. also take a look at what a lot of xorg devs have been working on.

my point this whole time is that a distro stuck on it will start to reflect that.

i feel like this isnt going anywhere so have a nice day.

Salix ,

The point is, considering we are both using x11, why should a new person from Windows need it now?

Depends on their hardware. I use 4 monitors at:

  • 1440p 165hz (FreeSync)
  • 1440p 75hz
  • 1440p 75hz
  • 4k 60hz

It works better on Wayland. Other users could be in a similar situation.

iirc, you can’t use FreeSync with multi monitors on Xorg as well

chicken ,

My last attempt to get games working on Linux did not go well, but I am hopeful the kinks will be sorted out by the time Win10 starts getting dropped.

theangryseal ,

I game exclusively on Linux these days. I haven’t had an issue that I couldn’t solve so far aside from shitty anti cheat software that doesn’t play nice.

I play single player almost exclusively, so that isn’t much of a problem for me.

chicken ,

I think my hardware might have had something to do with it, was trying on a somewhat older laptop. Most games would not launch even with Proton and even most Linux native games did not work even after a fair bit of troubleshooting. I get that some people might not have problems but I believe problems still remain widespread.

theangryseal ,

Oh yeah, definitely.

Still, I think you should try with better hardware when you can.

Any differences will not be significant.

Get a Steam deck. Holy hell I love mine.

chicken ,

I’d rather not have to upgrade hardware that can run the games I want to play perfectly fine, hoping for improved support (or at the very least a straightforward way to tell specifically what the problem is). Though once Win10 ends it’s not like there’s going to be an alternative to Linux anyway since Win11 has strict requirements for new stuff.

vaionko ,

What are the specs of your machine?

chicken ,

It is a ThinkPad E15 (the one I was trying at least)

heygooberman , in Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 support will end tomorrow (January 1st 2024)
@heygooberman@lemmy.today avatar

Windows 7 was okay, but I still can’t fathom how Windows 8 and 8.1 came to be. In the computer companies I’ve worked for, I don’t think they have a single product that runs on Windows 8 or Windows Vista. The OS progression was XP to 7 to 10. Now, they’re all working towards Windows 11 support.

Aurix , in Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 support will end tomorrow (January 1st 2024)

While understandable I hope Steam does keep working on these platform’s for some titles which might only run on older systems.

hddsx ,

What titles only run on x86 and not x86_64?

Aurix ,

Some obscure title will surely have weird driver, hardware and OS quirks. For example Crazy Machines 2’s physics break down and the fixes didn’t work for me. They use PhysX for their physics engine, before Nvidia acquired it, and it was heavily updated of course and now the puzzles don’t work anymore. Maybe somebody found another solution to it by now, but I haven’t checked it.

lambchop ,

Child of light, a Ubisoft game, I couldn’t get working on windows 10. Forums say it hasn’t been patched since vista… Even if I copy the files over locally I don’t think I’ll have much luck getting uplay to run. Thanks DRM.

silentknyght , in The day before finally come to an end.

So, is this still a scam if everyone gets refunded?

wolfshadowheart ,

The best take I’ve read so far is, paraphrased,

“It was an asset flip that got too popular for its own good. Instead of being able to slowly trickle sales over the course of a few months, it got mass purchased and effectively forced their hand.”

The idea being that if it hadn’t gotten so popular, it would have just been an asset flip to trickle in sales with no long term support or updates. Instead it got so big that and with no real team (dunno about this) there was no way for them to abandon it without this scenario. So better to close for optics than close for a step away from fraud lol.

If that was the intent, then yeah it was a scam regardless. And if it wasn’t the intent, then I don’t understand their reasoning. I would guess that if it got really popular and sales were coming in, that would incentivize them to continue it rather than closing shop?

RobotDaniel , in 💲 Steam Winter Sale Deals and Recommendation! 💲

STAR WARS: Squadrons I’d on sale for £1.75, definitely worth picking up at this price

UserMeNever , in 💲 Steam Winter Sale Deals and Recommendation! 💲

SUPERHOT is £5.39 (70% off). Time freeze shooter.

Masamune , in 💲 Steam Winter Sale Deals and Recommendation! 💲

A Short Hike

A Short Hike is an excellent and short game. Super fun, very chill, great music, the whole package.

Yerbouti , in 💲 Steam Winter Sale Deals and Recommendation! 💲

Hellblade is like 5 bucks. Get.it.now.

silentknyght ,

Nice recommendation. Purchased!

RHOPKINS13 , in Question on online play

That entirely depends on the game. Some games, like Terraria, can connect to the same servers regardless of whether it was bough on Steam or GOG. Others could rely on Steam's API for matchmaking and online play on the Steam version, and will likely be incompatible with GOG versions. And then there are games that may not be designed for online play, but still can be played online using methods like Steam Remote Play.

Lipriv30 OP ,

If I see on the store page that the game has Steam API, just forget about getting the GOG version because I won’t be able to play with the steam players?

osprior ,

There’s unfortunately no rule or easy way to tell other than doing your own investigation for each individual game.

Infamousblt , in Question on online play
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Depends entirely on the game. Some games yes some games no.

Lipriv30 OP ,

But how do you know?

Infamousblt ,
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Mostly you have to look it up on a per game basis. Probably just Google the game name and “supports cross play between” whatever platforms you want and someone will know

b166erdk , in Games with friends?

7 Days to die

LiveLM , in 💲 Steam Winter Sale Deals and Recommendation! 💲

I am once again here to recommend Prey 2017.
$2.99 USD for a banger triple A Immersive Sim, it’s so cheap it’s like you’re mugging Todd Howard

burrito ,

Great recommendation here. I really enjoyed Prey.

Vcio OP ,
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it’s like immersive sim is cursed, excellent games but poor sales.

yokonzo ,

Prey was a great game but it’s endgame killed the experience for a lot of people, just a lot of backtracking if I recall

Outtatime , in Games with friends?
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Ready or not.

Not sure if it’s on sale but it’s awesome

Catsrules ,

I am ready… Can you tell me now?

Ghostlight , in Games with friends?

Phasmophobia is the best. Unfortunately only for four players total.

helenslunch , in Games with friends?
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Where do you guys find people to play with?

I really love co-op games but I don’t have many gamer friends and playing with randos who quit mid-game or constantly throw out insults isn’t much fun…

Sandbag OP ,

Friends from college mostly.

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