Reposting what I posted in Ten Forward since it was an attempt at a serious answer anyway:
Since only the Romulus system was destroyed, presumably there were plenty of other planets in the empire inhabited with Romulans and with plenty of ships to defend themselves with. So the next big player could be… the Romulans.
I’ve been thinking about this- despite Ni’var being re-unified, there might still be a Romulan empire of some sort made up of the remaining planets the Romulans controlled.
Also, I assume the Romulans didn’t bother evacuating the Remans, so they’re probably mostly extinct.
When the Western Roman Empire fell, what remained was the EASTERN Roman Empire, which lasted for another 1000 years. What was left in the east paid lips-service to the Roman empire (sometimes even calling themselves Roman, like the Holy Roman Empire). Rolmulans replacing the Romulan Empire is very realistic. Much the of the population/planets/etc remained. They lost none of their technology.
And I think that opens itself up to a post-Discovery timeline where there is a struggle between the unified Vulans and Romulans on Ni’Var and the Romulans that are the remains of the old empire. Especially since The Burn had probably kept them mostly separated for a long time.
That makes great sense as well. To keep beating the Roman analogy to death, the Eastern Roman Empire did clash with the remains of the Western empire, trying to take it back under the Roman umbrella (Justinian/Belisarius/etc). They sent armies all over Italy/Spain/Africa/etc trying to re-unify the old Empire. It didn’t work, since the new kingdoms that emerged didn’t want to be under the control of the far-off emperors. Once they split, there was no going back to unification.
Good to know that this is here, where oddball topics might have better focus. Coulda used a heads up a week ago via c/tenforward, but hey, I’ll take it.
It was most definitely rushed. They should have started the finale in the episode where we say goodbye to Neelix–it would have given them more time to do it justice.
I agree–we’d like to see Janeway giving a report to a board of Admirals. We’d like to see Harry Kim give his mother a hug and she notices that he’s changed. etc.
It’s always rubbed me the wrong way when people regularly say it was banned in the UK (funny enough, people never mention that Ireland also didn’t show it).
The BBC in the UK and RTE in Ireland chose not to show it. It’s a bit like saying Comedy Central cutting the Muslim prophet Muhammad from that south park episode means he was banned from US TV. It’s not the same thing.
To my knowledge, the episode has now been shown in full in the UK plenty of times, but not yet in Ireland.
And it’s completely reasonable that both broadcasters chose not to show it. It was effectively condoning ongoing terrorism where innocents were being killed.
Imagine if Enterprise had some pro-al-qaeda remarks immediately after 9/11. There’s no way networks would show it lol
Thankfully, the GFA came about and the troubles were ended in the way that Picard advocated in the episode - with diplomacy, compromise, and dialogue, not endless violence.
It’s a bit like saying Comedy Central cutting the Muslim prophet Muhammad from that south park episode means he was banned from US TV. It’s not the same thing.
It’s a fair point but not quite the same. At the time in Ireland the vast majority of the population only had access to RTÉ (and BBC if you had a big aerial on your roof and lived close enough to the north) so both state broadcasters not choosing to broadcast was an effectively a ban.
Satellite and cable were taking root but cable wasn’t an option where I lived at the time which was only 20KM from the centre of Dublin city. Outside the major cities it just wasn’t happening.
We did get a satellite dish around that time so that we weren’t restricted to just two channels (edit: our house was located in a lowland that ruled out BBC even with the usual roof aerial) but with Sky in on the ban that would have ruled that out as a way to see it too.
Hello fellow Dub. :) I’m a Northsider too. Your brief foray to the south (even if it is the north of Wicklow it’ll always be the south side) doesn’t count and means we’re kindred. :D
In the episode it is stated that Irish unification happened because terrorist attacks kept happening for decades and the British government eventually just gave in to the terrorists.
my gut reaction was: absolutely not, the show was about the journey, not some schlocky wrap-up where everyone hugs their family and dogs and whatnot.
edited to add: the part i liked was that they were their family - and my gut says that it would cheapen the ship relationships by bringing everyone right back to where they were 5 years ago. end edit
but you’re right, i think, that the ending really was kinda abrupt - “so nice to see everyone,” borg go boom, end of 7 seasons.
in retrospect, i’ve seen trek do some good homecoming episodes, so maybe a final close out ala picard’s season finale wouldn’t have been so bad - a nice group goodbye after 150+ episodes.
Honestly, it’d be kind of awesome if there were a few episodes where the crew struggled to re-acclimate. Something as simple as hating the replicated food, to “We’ll take your service aboard Voyager off your decades long prison sentences, Maquis terrorists.”
Even if they didn’t add more episodes, I will complain that it was an incredible waste of time that Endgame spent so much focus on Future Janeway’s shenanigans. They could’ve done a cold open establishing her motivations and then taken the time used by the future scenes to unpack the weight of the crew we actually care about getting home.
Well whatever it is, Pike and the radioactive accident had something specifically to do with M’Benga stepping down. I wouldn’t call it demotion necessarily as there are reasons that someone could willingly step away from the position of Chief and still hold their rank. Either way, during the Quality of Mercy episode M’Benga was still CMO under Captain Pike.
With how M’Benga holds himself and takes the quality of his patients personally, and becomes heavily emotionally involved in his work, I think he stepped down willingly because he no longer believed himself to be capable of providing the support necessary to a Captain. I think maybe he worked on Pike and tried to save him but when Pike was too far gone that M’Benga became a bit despondent. We know the two are friendly and decently close so maybe between being unable to save his daughter and being unable to save his Captain he just felt he wasn’t capable of doing his best anymore. Still wanted to help and assist and thought of the Enterprise as home, and wanting to stay near his family in the crew, but didn’t want to carry the weight of that responsibility anymore.
It certainly could have been a voluntary “demotion” and there is a reason to believe he hasn’t changed a huge amount. There is an issue that needs to be resolved though:
On the one hand, he still seems to have a streak of violence in him the way he slapped Spock (at Spock’s request) in A Private Little War, which would track. On the other, you would think he would have worked with Spock in the plan to get Pike to Talos IV.
If we are to believe the two M’Bengas are the same person, which we have no reason to disbelieve (we can excuse the TOS M’Benga’s lack of an accent), an explanation for why he wasn’t part of Spock’s plan would be an interesting thing to ponder.
This seems likely given that in the timeline where Pike was still in command in 2266 having avoided good accident M’Benga was still CMO. I would imagine that having give through all that shit he wanted to step back a bit and let someone else run the department.
Praxis. It was destroyed earlier in the Kelvin Timeline as compared to the Prime Timeline. You can see the remnants of Praxis when they’re flying into Qo’nos. There’s a comic book prequel for Into Darkness that shows Khan going on a mission to Praxis to sabotage and detonate the moon.
The destruction is recent and heavily impacted the atmosphere of Qo’nos in both the Prime Timeline and the Kelvin Timeline. Praxis was also originally based off of the Chernobyl disaster so reflecting the destruction as a nuclear winter on the ground feels pretty appropriate to continuing that idea of Chernobyl and showing what it looks like on the ground a little while after Praxis. Then there’s the fact that they decided to reflect the Klingons in this time period as being heavily industrialized with a thick layer of pollution covering the planet.
Gotta say though, not sure how I feel about these comments just being dismissive immediately without even looking into the answer. Merely insulting it and saying it is undercooked or that it takes/doesn’t provide adds nothing to the discussion or theory crafting. The whole point of discussions like this is to come up with a potential answer, not to throw up your hands and say “They’re dumb lol”.
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