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Sigmatics ,

I still think it’s hilarious that Facebook renamed to Meta, and anything they did with the “metaverse” was a huge failure. It’s like they didn’t learn their lesson from Second Life.

AphoticDev ,
@AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Second Life isn’t owned by Meta. And just by the amount of money Second Life earned, and somehow still earns to this day, it was a pretty huge success. The only real success in the “virtual world” field. It’s not surprising somebody else would try to emulate that success.

Sigmatics ,

They don’t own it, that means they can’t know about it?

IsThisWhereWeGoNow ,

I think the confusion begins with your statement that Meta didn’t “learn their lesson from Second Life.” What’s the lesson they should have learned? Why should Meta have learned a lesson from something they didn’t own?

HakFoo ,

The big lesson from Second Life to me is that it’s a novelty for 95% of potential users, and a fixation for a few true believers.

VR and AR are in that era of radio in the 1920s, or personal computers in 1977. They’re interesting, people might gawk at one for a little while if given access to it, but right now, the long-term audience is going to be primarily enthusiasts who are passionate about the technology for its own sake.

We’re still waiting for a lot of details to snap into place to make it broadly appealing:

  • The hardware and setup needs to be turnkey. Newer kit is getting a lot closer, but I think it’s going to be hard because you have to factor in things like “setting up a wide enough floor space to avoid injuring yourself when using it” and “we haven’t really resolved that this gives a fair number of people violent sickness”
  • There need to be killer apps. Some of the VR experiences seem like they’d be fun, but eventually exhausting. It’s sort of like the motion control (Wii/Kinect/PSMove) trend-- people enjoyed them, but it seemed like it burnt through quickly, rather than becoming a core part of new gaming experiences going forward.

AR likely has an easier road to “killer app” because it can be applied to a bunch of vertical use cases; I’m picturing a fry-cook with a heads-up display that tracks how long each patty has been on the grille and its internal temperature, for example. Even if mainstream consumers never buy AR gear, there might be a million devices sold to businesses. Makes me think of Windows CE; the consumer launch was muted, but it was on a billion scanner-oriented devices for years.

RaoulDook ,

“There need to be killer apps” you say, but have you looked at the VR titles on Steam etc?

There are already a lot of fantastic VR games. Touristy cities even have VR gaming arcades where you can pay high prices to play on their VR kits.

The main barrier to wider adoption is the high price for good VR equipment, and the runner up is probably the complexity of setting up and using the systems. So yes that’s similar to PCs in the early days, maybe like the 90s were with PCs and the Internet.

HakFoo ,

While there may be good apps, I tend to define “Killer App” as a specific program that people not already in the ecosystem will explicitly buy into a hardware platform to run. The classic being VisiCalc for the Apple II and Lotus 1-2-3 for the IBM PC. On the gaming side, think about how many millions of Game Boys were sold so people could play Tetris; one suspects a significant number never saw another cartridge in their life. Or, perhaps less hyperbolically, Halo got a lot of people onto the Xbox platform, and FF7 did the same for the Playstation.

Does any VR title have the same degree of wide awareness and demand those programs had at their peak?

I could imagine someone trying to force the hand by moving a beloved franchise into VR-- imagine if the next Dragon Quest was VR-only, for example, and people who buy everything with that cute blue slime on it would also buy cute-blue-slime shape headsets. Meta has the resources to buy such a situation into existence, but it might not be what they’re after because it’s likely to still be only a narrow draw-- they’re used to building a platform for All The People, not just the audience who followed a single beloved franchise over.

AphoticDev ,
@AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Why would they learn from a mistake that wasn’t even a mistake and wasn’t theirs to begin with? Like, what is the point you are trying to make?

vidsid ,

They should have learned a lesson from Second Life. It was so much graphically better, more sophisticated and immersive even in 2d .

Users had a world where they could build, interact, buy land, make, buy, sell items and art, go to concerts, have virtual sex, attend classes, build a castle , explore, etc, etc. It would have been awesome in 3d.

This was like 20 years ago! Meta had such an opportunity there but instead had half avatars and chat rooms. It sucked.

Immersive_Matthew ,

A lot of it comes down to the Quest processors as they are just not very powerful. It had to be backwards comparable with the 835 Snapdragon processor form the Quest 1 and that is a 2016 processor. Makes senses it was so basic as they wanted to have many avatars on screen at once so things had the get cut…like legs. Ahahahaha.

I am not defending Meta, but just stating the facts and one of those facts is Zuck has said this is a long game and that it will be at least a decade before the Metaverse becomes something half compelling. I agree with that assessment. It is just not there today, but it will be.

Snowcano ,

I mean, they’re no Tessier-Ashpool,SA. or anything.

_cnt0 ,
@_cnt0@lemmy.villa-straylight.social avatar

What’s wrong with Tessier-Ashpool?

Snowcano ,

Nothing, I was just saying that it’s a cool cyberpunk corporation name. For me the gaudy names like Meta and X are a little on the nose, true evil lurks under a veneer of banality which I think names like TA have.

_cnt0 ,
@_cnt0@lemmy.villa-straylight.social avatar

I had hoped, that you would notice my user name kind of resembles Count Zero, my avatar is taken straight from a Count Zero book cover, and my home instance is lemmy.villa-straylight.social

Well, you know what they say about explaing jokes and what that does to their funnyness. I guess it was not obvious enough.

Snowcano ,

Omg, I’m actually glad you mentioned it because I totally missed it!! I actually have to get around to reading the rest of the Sprawl books. Rereading Neuromancer now and might just keep going in the others.

What are things like at Starylight.social?

_cnt0 , (edited )
@_cnt0@lemmy.villa-straylight.social avatar

What are things like at Starylight.social?

Small and chill. Like it was an abandoned orbital revolving around the fediverse ;-)

Zoboomafoo ,
@Zoboomafoo@yiffit.net avatar

Don’t forget the conglomerate names:

Microsoft-Activision-Blizzard

AWittyUsername ,

Shinra-Mishima-Zaibatsu

Zoomboingding ,
@Zoomboingding@lemmy.world avatar

Wayland-Yutani

Oxnvat ,
@Oxnvat@lemmy.world avatar

Denny’s-Applebee’s-Max

deadbeef79000 ,

Omni consumer products.

Rilichu ,

“Well, there was a bit of a stir when it was decided that since corporations are people, they could technically run for president. But President Walt Disney-Pepsi-Comcast has done wonders for the economy… given that it’s… now the economy”

rDrDr ,

Don’t blame me I voted for Tim Apple

mudmaniac ,

I used to call it ActiBlizz. What am I supposed to do now?

Retoffelnoster ,
@Retoffelnoster@lemmy.world avatar

Xbox

agnomeunknown ,
@agnomeunknown@lemmy.world avatar

Eckbok

xx3rawr ,

MS ActiBlizz sounds like the next addition to MS Office but they already renamed it to “Microsoft 365”

IONLYpost ,
@IONLYpost@kbin.social avatar

Alphabet.

theneverfox ,

Soon to be alpha-bet

WhoRoger ,
@WhoRoger@lemmy.world avatar

I find it amusing how nobody noticed when Valve changed their name to Valve Corporation ages ago, and people keep referring to it as Valve Software.

Braydox_ofAstroya12 ,

As long as we get coporate songs like this: m.youtube.com/watch?v=6HTR0BiFehA

Again

PipedLinkBot ,

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_cnt0 ,
@_cnt0@lemmy.villa-straylight.social avatar

I had forgotten about that.

And it was good that way.

If I don’t have that song out of my head by tomorrow, I’ll stalk your account, find out your irl id, and send you muffins with raisins.

Braydox_ofAstroya12 ,

No please anything but the raisins

tpyo ,

My favorite shirt ever:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f12497d7-6fba-4ba4-9dc2-50e165f85cef.jpeg

CrayonRosary ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/fff3f47c-cfa0-48c2-a40b-e7ae33397af3.png

Good!

EssentialCoffee ,

You mean like this?

Or this?

PipedLinkBot ,

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Braydox_ofAstroya12 ,

Sigh they dont make coporate propaganda like they used too.

But yes that

tpyo ,

Holy shizz I forgot about that song. thanks for the rememory

Speiser0 ,

Do these also count: www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-QThIoXfkswww.youtube.com/watch?v=HRVoJnxjpFg

PipedLinkBot ,

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vidsid ,

God, that last one was brilliant. It gave me a flashback.

Asifall ,

When I think about the fact that Facebook thought it was a good idea to name their online VR platform “the metaverse“ it still breaks my brain a little bit

elouboub ,
@elouboub@kbin.social avatar

Would you have prefered "the faciverse"?

Phoonzang ,

Theranos sounded like a superhero villain. I guess it kind of was?

HawlSera ,

I’m not a Christian, but can we start rapturing people away anyway? I gotta get out this bitch.

Boi ,
@Boi@reddthat.com avatar

RAPTURE ME, PLEASE?! I WANT OFF THIS DYSTOPIAN HELLPLANET!

intensely_human ,

Art creates the future. Whatever we envision we steer ourselves toward, consciously or unconsciously. A vision has gravity, and pulls people toward it. The more a vision is etched into people’s minds, the more likely we will live it.

I’m convinced Apple’s overall aesthetic is based on Star Trek: TNG. Or at least it was for a phase, until we got bored with it and took it even further.

postmateDumbass ,

Nah, calling the visions of aging tech bros on HRT art is a stretch too far.

Zalack ,
@Zalack@startrek.website avatar

They’re talking about the visions of sci-fi authors, filmmakers, and artists. The tech Bros are the ones being drawn towards those artists’ visions.

SnipingNinja ,

Reminds me of the “torment Nexus” meme

MossyFeathers ,

https://pawb.social/pictrs/image/05e5ae2f-f856-4858-b767-b277bad02356.jpeg

postmateDumbass ,

Look what has been done with 1984 and A Brave New World.

postmateDumbass ,

It aint the same vision.

They smashed the Rose-colored glasees in favor of orher lenses, one tinted the color of money. The other a swirl of gluttony, power, and dopamine.

RegularGoose ,

Shitty art is still art.

intensely_human ,

It must suck to spend all day hating

postmateDumbass ,

Nah, it mostly sucks to have watched the tech bro crowd take something wonderful, that bemefited everyone and twist it into personal profit streams devoid of any soul and/or humanity.

I know those types are going to destroy us all, but everyone sucks so just let the bad times roll. Then the heads will follow. Rolling on the floor.

souperk ,
@souperk@reddthat.com avatar

My fucking drunk self, highly agrees with you.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

My favorite is literally just “Brand.” The “generic” brand company. Although I feel like they leaned purposefully into the cyberpunk shit.

SnipingNinja ,

Can’t even find anything about them

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

That’s how generic it is!

Kahlenar ,

Ultimate Marvel’s Gregory Stark was supposed to be a caricature. He’s spot on though.

morrowind , (edited )
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

There’s a company called Hashicorp that’s been in the news recently. Literally perfect

nbailey ,
@nbailey@lemmy.ca avatar

Heh, people from 50 years ago hearing that my job is terraforming using Hashicorp equipment would be very disappointed.

intensely_human ,

Terraform it all. Pave the moon. Dairy Queens on Mars. Uber in the skies of Jupiter.

Badland9085 ,

Hashicorp’s been around for years; since 2012 actually. Used to be a pretty cool company, looked up by many, like a shining beacon in the darkness. It’s unfortunate where they’ve gone to now.

intensely_human ,

I wondered what Badland was talking about, but I nodded along like I knew. Maybe the next words out of his mouth would be an explanation of what he’s just said. It could happen.

rolaulten ,

I don’t know what part your unaware of - so let me do the ELI5. They (HashiCorp) created a tool called teraform which is used for defining what servers/other infrastructure you use in places like AWS. Up until recently this was open source under the Mozilla license to something that’s not quite open, but not fully closed source (yet).

Badland9085 ,

I intended to give an explanation, but since this community is pretty general, i.e. we have people from basically all walks of life here, many with little to no involvement or understanding of the tech industry, so I decided to leave it out cause it would be too much to explain.

[email protected] has given us a pretty brief explanation, but I think it can be further simplified, though would require a lot more knowledge build up (i.e. more words). If anyone’s interested, I can try to write a fireplace story, though I can’t say I’m the most qualified person to do so, or give an absolutely accurate story.

jtk ,
@jtk@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I don’t get how the name is dystopian. Is it from a book or movie or something? Search only turns up the company you’re talking about.

intensely_human ,

Could be that it mixes what sounds like a Japanese name with an English word, which makes it seem like a company from Japan operating in an English speaking place.

In the 1980s people expected that Japan was going to take over more and more American business. Japan was a major player and so sci fi written then — including that which was cyberpunk dystopian — assumed there’d be companies like “Ford” but named after Japanese guys.

Also it’s not “Hashi Corporation” it’s “HashiCorp” which implies a sort of pop-cultureification, like the company has sort of compacted over the years, and gotten less Japanese (known) and more hybrid Japanese-American-Corporate-Marketing (unknown, megacorps have shady cultures, they’re new things).

If HashiCorp were to show up in a movie, it would be in a holographic ad someone flies past.

neutron ,

And we are kind of getting there, but we often see multinational megacorps with Chinese or Korean names/origin.

iturnedintoanewt ,
@iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee avatar

Waiting for Weyland-Yutani…

bownt1 ,

building better worlds

GreenMario ,

Union Aerospace

delitomatoes ,

Time Warner

MalReynolds ,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

Be Warned !

iturnedintoanewt ,
@iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee avatar

DisnATTTimeWarner?

pachrist ,

Gesundheit.

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