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Bill Gates-backed startup makes ‘butter’ out of water and carbon dioxide

A California-based startup called Savor has figured out a unique way to make a butter alternative that doesn’t involve livestock, plants, or even displacing land. Their butter is produced from synthetic fat made using carbon dioxide and hydrogen, and the best part is —- it tastes just like regular butter.

blackbrook ,

So this new carbon sequestering program is going to be kind of a good news / bad news thing. …

Xtallll ,
@Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

There are ≈950 gigatons of excess CO2 in the atmosphere 27% of that by weight is carbon, the us population is 333milion, so if every American eats 770lbs of carbon sequestered butter we will solve climate change.

blackbrook ,

Of course the danger is that this is cancelled out by increased carbon emissions from a making a commensurate amount of toast.

ArmoredThirteen ,

Just got to start deep frying our steaks in this new butter and we’ll get there in no time

Stern ,
@Stern@lemmy.world avatar

Sounds like margarine with more chances to shit myself

sunzu , (edited )

Yeah we already been through this bull shit.

No, fuck u corpo daddy.

disguy_ovahea OP ,

Margarine is made of hydrogenated oil. This is chemically identical to the fatty acids in butter. It’s not an alternative for dietary purposes, it’s just a more planet friendly solution.

adarza ,

actual margarine is getting hard to find in stores around here, and when you do it’s priced almost as high as a non-sale price of real butter. margarine has 80% fat content and similar baking and cooking properties as butter.

what’s on store shelves is a cheapened, watered down product laced with extra chemicals and fillers, ranging from 25-40% oil and can’t even make a proper box of mac & cheese. some of them don’t even melt when put on toast, hot, right from the toaster.

vegantomato ,
@vegantomato@lemmy.world avatar

What about the trans fat byproduct from margarine production?

just_another_person ,

Carbo-LEO.

“You see, we take all that bad stuff we learned from Oleo pantshitting technology, and then we move it around. Now we have ‘Carbo-LEO’'.”

yeahiknow3 ,

Found the guy who failed high school chemistry.

imPastaSyndrome ,

I see you didn’t read the article

Hamartiogonic ,
@Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

Basic internet etiquette. Never read the article. Disagree with everyone. You are always right. Everyone else is always wrong etc.

southsamurai ,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

You are absolutely wrong.

whotookkarl ,
@whotookkarl@lemmy.world avatar

I think it’s closer to the coal butter synthesis but maybe they found a more efficient method using other carbon sources

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margarine#Coal_butter

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer–Tropsch_process

Rivalarrival ,

The process required at least 60 kilograms of coal per kilogram of synthetic butter.

mipadaitu ,

Interesting way to get fat alternatives, people are already used to eating fake butter regularly, so it probably wouldn’t take much to add this to our diet.

disguy_ovahea OP ,

It’s also closer to butter than butter alternatives. It’s not made to be more healthy, just more planet friendly.

sunzu ,

Fake food is going to be more healthy than the real deal?

Sure buddy

Omega_Man ,

They said it’s NOT made to be more healthy.

sunzu ,

It won't be, it's processed shite

Omega_Man ,

OKAY

fushuan ,

So is any meat, mayonnaise, even butter is processed. Ever went into a fast food chain? Most ingredients are processed to the bits.

You better not take any medicine, that super processed? And Coca cola or any energy drinks? Bleh, made in labs!

I guess you only eat whole grains collected by you, that must suck.

sunzu ,

Dam y'all really getting bent on shape over this lol

disguy_ovahea OP ,

I wrote it’s not made to be more healthy, because that’s the current marketing of butter alternatives. This isn’t claiming to be more healthy. The compounds are the same as the fatty acids in butter.

It’s simply a way to get butter while reducing carbon dioxide, rather than increasing it.

Cagi ,

This fallacy is called an appeal to nature.

sunzu ,

It is also a fact that butter is a staple food that has been used for thousands of years with a proven track record.

Cagi ,

This fallacy is called an appeal to tradition.

sunzu ,

Just because something is fallacy the way it was presented does not make it wrong if he facts check out :)

Cagi ,

Your facts don’t check out, that’s what makes you wrong. Fallacies are just the symptom.

sunzu ,

Is butter not the best product in its class? both from health ie nutrition value and taste perspective?

Cagi ,

Not anymore. This product matches butter on both counts and puts out much less pollution and takes up much less land than factory farming. I urge you to actually read the article, many of your points are addressed within.

sunzu ,

I trust you bro

MentalEdge , (edited )
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“Bro”, butter is literally just a hydrocarbon. As in carbon atoms and hydrogen atoms.

Making it in the lab produces chemically identical molecules.

As in, literally the same thing. Like actually for real no difference. Including however bad or healthy it is to eat.

Any nuances in the real thing will be from impurities that would have to be added to the lab produced stuff, should you want to.

The real difference is how it is made, not in what it produces. Meaning the synthetic option can be produced without livestock, and potentially using much less energy and land.

sunzu ,

"Bro", butter is literally just a carbohydrate.

🤡🤡🤡

MentalEdge ,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

If you want to be pedantic, straight out of the lab this stuff would be equivalent to “clarified butter”. Butter, from which all impurities have been removed.

Still butter tho.

sunzu ,
  1. that's ghee, i won't dispute that
  2. clarified butter is not a replace for butter as food, it is merely as "cooking fat". butter it self is very nutritious, clarifying it, you would lose a lot of it.

So headline is a bit of PR voodoo as i expected.

Big food companies has made a lot of afford to discredit butter and eggs since these foods are very good and cheap, aka processed food industry's main competition.

yeahiknow3 ,

*hydrocarbon, not carbohydrate (the latter contains oxygen). Otherwise spot on.

MentalEdge ,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Thanks.

glimse ,

Don’t trust them. Read the article, use your brain, and understand why your comments are wrong.

sunzu ,

Yes daddy

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

What are you, 12?

sunzu ,

I am just going with ol realiable

y'all have fun testing another "product"

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

This is called the fallacy of being a dope.

ragica ,
@ragica@lemmy.ml avatar

This may be a logical fallacy known as false equivalence, when one fact is stated or implied to be conflated with another not directly related fact.

fushuan ,

So was margarine before veganism was a widespread thing?

Deebster ,
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If it’s chemically identical, what does it matter if it’s come from dairy, this process, or a Star Trek replicator?

MonkderDritte ,

Fake medicine is going to be more healthy than the real (plant) deal? Sure buddy.

eatthecake ,

It’s not made to be more healthy, just more planet friendly.

uhmbah ,

Good or bad, it’s still processed food.

That’s my half-assed neutral statement. I choose not to eat processed foods. As long as there’s disclosure, I don’t care.

What people eat or don’t eat is their business.

pezmaker ,
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Guarantee that A) it doesn’t taste just like real butter, and B) it’ll make you shit yourself and bring a return of the label “may cause anal leakage”.

Does that mean it’s not a potentially viable product? No, it doesn’t. But let’s not bullshit.

Fiivemacs ,

I get sick everytime I eat meat from Walmart. I fear bill gates butter will kill me.

disguy_ovahea OP ,

The problem with Olestra (the anal leakage oil alternative) is it’s a mixture of hexa-, hepta-, and octa-esters of sucrose with various long chain fatty acids. The resulting radial arrangement is too large and irregular to move through the intestinal wall and be absorbed into the bloodstream.

What Savor has supposedly created is chemically identical to the fatty acids in butter. It’s not made of new compounds, but made in a new way.

atro_city ,

What's up with people talking about shitting themselves?

Nasan ,

We’re in the presence of masters of the art of shitting one’s self

southsamurai ,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

There was a run of fat replacement back (iirc) in the late nineties. Olestra was one of the name brands.

It wouldn’t digest at all, and it also wouldn’t mix in happily with the rest of the body waste in the colon. Hence, anal leakage becoming a phrase you would see on food labels.

And you would, sometimes, have not only leakage, but diarrhea. Sometimes violent diarrhea.

Basically, the oil was slippery enough to escape the anus no matter how tight it was. And there was a lot of it, under pressure from other waste behind it.

atro_city ,

Thank you for that insight. Kind of hilarious they didn't figure that out during product testing.

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