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LinearArray , in You wouldn’t get it
@LinearArray@programming.dev avatar

now i get it, do i?

reverendsteveii , in You wouldn’t get it

throw new SameJokeException();

Tetsuo , in Sometimes the decisions are hard...

Same devs as the Nvidia driver installer?

I always select the custom install option and always get recommended the same version that is already installed.

(Physics engine or something).

tja , in Sometimes the decisions are hard...
@tja@sh.itjust.works avatar

Let’s skip that version, I didn’t think there are that many new features in there

dustyData ,

But think about the security updates.

hddsx ,

Yes, 0.7.1 fixes redundancy issues present in 0.7.1 when updating 0.7.1.

JayDee , in You wouldn’t get it

Is it possible to get the joke at runtime using the spectre exploit?

coloredgrayscale ,

Not required. Looks like Java, just use reflection.

Xylight , in You wouldn’t get it
@Xylight@lemdro.id avatar

i hate this programming pattern with a passion.

someonesmall ,

Setters and Getters?

purplemonkeymad ,

Where getter?

mexicancartel ,

Well you wouldn’t get it

Xylight ,
@Xylight@lemdro.id avatar

yes.

someonesmall ,

So what is a better paradigm in your opinion?

sudo ,

Immutable members. Set in constructor then read only. The Builder pattern is acceptable if you’re language is an obstacle.

AVincentInSpace ,

found the functional programming purist

sudo ,

Piafraus ,

So do you create new objects every time you need to change state?

sudo ,

You avoid having mutable state as much as possible. This is a pretty standard concept these days.

Piafraus ,

Can you please give me an example - let’s say I have a big list of numbers and I need to find how many times each number is there.

I would expect a mutable dictionary/map and a single pass through. How would you do that without mutable datastructure?

sudo ,

Very standard use case for a fold or reduce function with an immutable Map as the accumulator


<span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">val </span><span style="color:#323232;">ints </span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">= </span><span style="color:#0086b3;">List</span><span style="color:#323232;">(</span><span style="color:#0086b3;">1</span><span style="color:#323232;">, </span><span style="color:#0086b3;">2</span><span style="color:#323232;">, </span><span style="color:#0086b3;">2</span><span style="color:#323232;">, </span><span style="color:#0086b3;">3</span><span style="color:#323232;">, </span><span style="color:#0086b3;">3</span><span style="color:#323232;">, </span><span style="color:#0086b3;">3</span><span style="color:#323232;">)
</span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">val </span><span style="color:#323232;">sum </span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">=</span><span style="color:#323232;"> ints.foldLeft(</span><span style="color:#0086b3;">0</span><span style="color:#323232;">)(_ + _) </span><span style="font-style:italic;color:#969896;">// 14
</span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">val </span><span style="color:#323232;">counts </span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">=</span><span style="color:#323232;"> ints.foldLeft(</span><span style="color:#0086b3;">Map</span><span style="color:#323232;">.empty[</span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">Int</span><span style="color:#323232;">, </span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">Int</span><span style="color:#323232;">])((c, x) </span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">=> </span><span style="color:#323232;">{
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  c.updated(x , c.getOrElse(x, </span><span style="color:#0086b3;">0</span><span style="color:#323232;">) + </span><span style="color:#0086b3;">1</span><span style="color:#323232;">)
</span><span style="color:#323232;">})
</span>

foldLeft is a classic higher order function. Every functional programming language will have this plus multiple variants of it in their standard library. Newer non-functional programing languages will have it too. Writing implementations of foldLeft and foldRight is standard for learning recursive functions.

The lambda is applied to the initial value (0 or Map.empty[Int, Int]) and the first item in the list. The return type of the lambda must be the same type as the initial value. It then repeats the processes on the second value in the list, but using the previous result, and so on until theres no more items.

In the example above, c will change like you’d expect a mutable solution would but its a new Map each time. This might sound inefficient but its not really. Because each Map is immutable it can be optimized to share memory of the past Maps it was constructed from. Thats something you absolutely cannot do if your structures are mutable.

Piafraus ,

So you have memory space which is reused… Which essentially makes it a mutable memory structure, where you update or add with new data keys… No?

sudo ,

No. Persistent Data Structures are not mutable. The memory space of an older version is not rewritten, it is referenced by the newer version as a part of its definition. ie via composition. It can only safely do this if the data it references is guaranteed to not change.


<span style="color:#323232;">x </span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">= </span><span style="color:#0086b3;">2 </span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">:: </span><span style="color:#0086b3;">1 </span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">:: </span><span style="color:#0086b3;">Nil </span><span style="font-style:italic;color:#969896;">-- [2, 1]
</span><span style="color:#323232;">y </span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">= </span><span style="color:#0086b3;">3 </span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">::</span><span style="color:#323232;"> x </span><span style="font-style:italic;color:#969896;">-- [3, 2, 1]
</span>

In this example both x and y are single linked lists. y is a node with value 3 and a pointer to x. If x was mutable then changing x would change y. That’s bad™ so its not allowed.

If you want to learn more about functional programming I suggest reading Structures and Interpretation of Computer Programs or Learn You a Haskell for Great Good

Xylight ,
@Xylight@lemdro.id avatar

immutable objects, i like functional programming

intensely_human ,

Java?

BassaForte , in You wouldn’t get it
@BassaForte@lemmy.world avatar

public Joke Joke { private get; set; }

sik0fewl , in You wouldn’t get it

Upon reflection, I do get the joke now.

rimjob_rainer ,

This one gets it

Kolanaki , in You wouldn’t get it
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Stop making private jokes and start posting them publicly. We wanna laugh too, ya selfish bastid.

JustBrian7872 , in You wouldn’t get it

They don’t call me AbstractJokerAdapterFactoryProxy for nothin’

hydroptic , in You wouldn’t get it

Where are your gods now?


<span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">public static </span><span style="color:#0086b3;">Joke </span><span style="color:#323232;">getTheJoke(</span><span style="color:#0086b3;">Meme</span><span style="color:#323232;"> yourMeme) {
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  </span><span style="color:#0086b3;">Field</span><span style="color:#323232;"> jokeField </span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">= </span><span style="color:#0086b3;">Meme</span><span style="color:#323232;">.class.getDeclaredField(</span><span style="color:#183691;">"joke"</span><span style="color:#323232;">);
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  jokeField.setAccessible(</span><span style="color:#0086b3;">true</span><span style="color:#323232;">);
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  </span><span style="font-weight:bold;color:#a71d5d;">return </span><span style="color:#323232;">(</span><span style="color:#0086b3;">Joke</span><span style="color:#323232;">) jokeField.get(yourMeme);
</span><span style="color:#323232;">}
</span>
RonSijm ,
@RonSijm@programming.dev avatar

Is it Java? It looked like Microsoft Java C# to me…


<span style="color:#323232;">    public static void Main(string[] args)
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    {
</span><span style="color:#323232;">        var meme = new Meme();
</span><span style="color:#323232;">        var joke = GetTheJoke(meme);
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    }
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    public static Joke GetTheJoke(Meme theMeme)
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    {
</span><span style="color:#323232;">        var memeType = typeof(Meme);
</span><span style="color:#323232;">        var jokeField = memeType.GetField("Joke", BindingFlags.NonPublic | BindingFlags.Instance);
</span><span style="color:#323232;">        return (Joke)jokeField.GetValue(theMeme);
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    }
</span>
hydroptic ,

Frankly it’s been a while since I wrote either one. I just assumed Java because of the naming convention, and I didn’t see anything I took as obviously un-Java in the class definition

PoolloverNathan ,

There isn’t an unnecessary level of capitalization; seems to be regular Java with Allman braces.

Hazzia ,

Is it Java?

Wait a minute, that’s an actual thing in java!? What the fuck Java I already didn’t like you and now you start pulling this shit? What even is the point of creating standards if you design backdoors to them

RonSijm ,
@RonSijm@programming.dev avatar

Yea, what @hydroptic posted is actually Java

What even is the point of creating standards if you design backdoors to them

If you’re building in a backdoor anyways, why would the backdoor require 5 lines of weird reflection to get the type, type info, fieldinfo with the correct binding flags, and then invoking the method?

I think it’s kinda neat compared to C#, just being able to say “Ignore private/protected/internal keywords”

hydroptic , (edited )

If you want to be able to eg. (de)serialize non-public fields of a type for any reason, you’ll need some way to get around the access restriction. Mocking is another use case – although it’s a philosophical discussion whether you should be mocking non-public fields.

And this isn’t just a Java thing, the comment you’re responding to has an example in C#, and you can do something similar in a lot of languages that support runtime reflection. Barring runtime reflection support you can do pointer math if the language supports it. Access restrictions on fields are there to stop casual misuse of private fields, but sometimes you actually may want to be able to step over those restrictions if you really know what you’re doing.

rimjob_rainer ,

Reflection is sometimes a necessary evil. At least it makes it harder to abuse the class and if you do, then you are responsible if something goes wrong.

noproblemmy ,

If you have to cast your joke it isn’t funny?

Karyoplasma ,

Could just change it to public static Object GetTheJoke, no?

rimjob_rainer ,

Because C# is a Java clone

victorz , in You wouldn’t get it

Ha. Cause there’s no getter. I get it. I think?

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

I get it.

No you don’t; there’s no getter.

victorz ,

Oh, now I get it.

Wait…

Batman ,

You don’t get the context of this joke

fsxylo ,

var context = getContext();

lightnegative ,

var context = RuntimeSingletonFactory.getCurrentFactory().getCurrentRuntimeSingleton().getContext()

4am ,

It’s also an inside Joke

intensely_human ,

And the Joker gets it, but you don’t.

yamanii , in He revealed the secrets !
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

Hey dude stop it spreading it okay?

NaoPb , in He revealed the secrets !

Turns out the people in IT don’t actually make the computers either. Who’d have thought?

ipkpjersi , in He revealed the secrets !

The scary thing is some people actually believe this, and NIH syndrome is unfortunately all too real lol

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