Is PHP becoming irrelevant? It still comprises the vast majority of web pages out there. Maybe that has been going down but with he amount of competing languages and systems out there, that is to be expected.
Either way, it’s an awesome language, happily been using it for decades now
Yeah they do, with no real reason, really. Oohh, “some functions use underscore and others don’t!” And? It’s not a problem, really. Every language has baggage from the past and PHP kept it for stability, I’m happy with that.
That’s weird, but more of an aesthetics issue than anything. JavaScript will actually decide to behave oddly for no reason; if that’s it it’s still king of the shitbirds.
I’m not the one you asked, but what I like isn’t really about PHP itself, but the fact that I can get dirt cheap hosting with PHP and MySQL. Every time I want to create a small “app” that makes some manual task easier it’s very useful to create something I can access from the internet.
Python is really useful for stuff like that too, but (in my experience) not as easy and cheap to use as an web app.
For example I go to dinner with some friends every month and we always forget who’s turn it is to choose and book a restaurant. So I just made this PHP page that shows the current and next 2 months with a name. So we always use that to see who’s turn it is.
Though I like that you use PHP, I don’t think there is such a thing as PHP hosting, or python hosting? Maybe I’m not understanding what you’re saying here?
When you pay a company and they provide you with a domain (you choose) and give you a webserver, some disk space, a database etc.
I pay about 30 euros a year for 5 websites. They are all very basic (either some php stuff I made, or WordPress). These websites have very few visitors so the hosting specs don’t really matter. All these websites have a specific domain name, some disk space, and a database.
For this price they offer PHP and MySQL. So it’s not a dedicated server where I’m root and can Install other stuff.
Quite early on the eyes, powerful, fast to build and rolk out projects, about. A billion libraries with all the functions you’ll ever need. People both about it because it has some language quirks from way back in the beginning, I see it as stability. I don’t know how node is now but I remember a few years back where every bug fix came accompanied not only by 10 new bugs but also a bunch of interface changes that immediately broke everything. Every. Single. Damn. Time.
Having said that, it under very active development and has been majorly improved over the years. Dumb design choices are no long available and right now it’s quite easy to work securely with it.
Beyond the “but these two functions should have similar naming but they don’t!” argument, that with a good editor doesn’t matter anyway, there isn’t really a good argument out there not to use it.
Fuck that, I don’t trust executables unless they’re signed, downloaded securely (e.g. HTTPS), and I trust the source I downloaded them from. Anything else might as well be a virus. If I can’t find a signed binary from a trustworthy source, I’m either not using it or I’m going to build it myself (after skimming through the code).
But Cinc and its sell-out dad Chef are really great uses of ruby, keeping us from YAML hell and the kludgey socket-machine-gun that is Ansible. That piece of shit has more lithium-lick than I’ve ever seen.
If we can’t have mgmtConfig (ohai go), at least let us keep Cinc, but it needs ruby.
I wrote extensively in Ruby but for Rake - using Ruby as a build system. Can’t say I liked the language although it was okay for how we used it. We have 20 sub projects with some very complex build targets and dependency scanning going on and the Rake syntax was okay. Personally I think its biggest shortcoming was the documentation was very poor and stuff like gems felt primitive compared to other package management systems. One thing I liked from the language was blocks could evaluate to a value which I really use a lot in Rust too.
I think if I were doing an acyclic dependency build system these days I’d use Gradle probably.
As for Rails I expect failed to catch on because even compared to Python, Ruby is a slow language. And Python isn’t fast by any stretch. Projects that started with Rails hit the performance brick wall and moved to something else.
We had tens of thousands of lines in our rake files to build a bunch of targets, none of which were even Ruby. I think if I needed to build another complex build system that was a directed acyclic graph I think I’d use Gradle, for a several reasons - we had some Java targets so we save on an additional developer runtime, it would run faster & Gradle is more mainstream and easy to get various plugins & documentation for.
Facebook hasn’t used PHP for a long time. They use Hack which started as a language similar to PHP, but it’s very different now - it’s strongly-typed and has a bunch of advanced features, like the ability to annotate functions as pure (no side effects), which gets enforced by the type checker.
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