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comfortable_doug , in Annoying as hell
@comfortable_doug@hexbear.net avatar

This is why work-from-home has saved my sanity

FlaminGoku , in Annoying as hell

I had a comic along the same lines at my door and I aggressively applied the 2 min rule. If I can answer your question in 2 min, I will, otherwise I will ask them to set up time on my calendar.

Made for some initial friction, but eventually everyone got it.

Remote has been so great because I just block off my calendar accordingly and turn off notifications.

Ensign_Seitler , in Annoying as hell

This is why they want us to return to the office.

Nanomerce , in Annoying as hell

what are those little nubs on their head? I thought it was ears but I think I see those.

somas ,
@somas@kbin.social avatar

@Nanomerce

Those are horns

edit:https://giraffeconservation.org/facts/do-all-giraffe-have-horns/

FiskFisk33 ,

Wifi

SatyrSack , in Not Mine; Enjoy

There are two of me?

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

No, there’s one of me and one of you.

SatyrSack ,

I am blind

Immersive_Matthew , in Hours of work

I just had to rewrite all my code for 3rd time in a row and I am the customer. Ughhhh

ripened_avacado ,

Twitter API user found.

Immersive_Matthew ,

I mean I am the one causing myself to have to rewrite my code. I am developing a VR Theme Park.

original_ish_name , in Simple trick

I spoofed my MAC once when I went to a router page of a hotel and it said it was logging the request

Pika ,
@Pika@sh.itjust.works avatar

I had them most sophisticated hotel/resort wifi capture page I’ve ever seen them other week. It had you register on the wifi using your room number and booking email, then it gave you 10 slots that you put Mac addresses into. I couldn’t imagine how many people I bet never figured out how to use it lol

original_ish_name , in Simple trick

Your airport wifi doesn’t ask for your email, phone number, bank number of your life savings, etc?

WarmSoda ,

No. Where are you that it asks you for info?

original_ish_name ,

The bank number for life savings was a joke but for some reason they wanted me to verify (I didn’t btw)

WarmSoda ,

Oh I know that. Common verification joke people use.
I’ve never been asked for any information to use airport wifi, that’s why I was wondering where they do ask.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Places where the airport wifi is actually an evil twin.

FlexibleToast ,

As someone who travels for work, it seems like most places ask.

TurtleTourParty ,

Istanbul requires a Turkish phone number or for you to scan your passport at a console.

snake ,

Usually it asks for an email, but you can just input a fake one.

FlexibleToast ,

It’s me [email protected]

0x2d ,

for a lot of captive portals I type random crap like [email protected] or [email protected]

pmyourtwat ,
kspatlas , in Simple trick
@kspatlas@artemis.camp avatar

GrapheneOS has per connection MAC which can be useful in situations like this

someone_secret ,

I don’t think that’s anything new.

My LineageOS phone also has that. I’m inclined to believe that this is available on all newer Android phones

radix , in Simple trick
@radix@lemm.ee avatar

In general, I thought IP addresses are mutable while MACs stay the same, and I thought that’s why the outside world uses IPs to identify networks while routers inside a network use MACs to identify specific devices. If you can change your MAC arbitrarily, doesn’t that risk making the router’s job more difficult? Why not just assign yourself a different internal IP?

FiskFisk33 ,

I mean yeah, but in this case you want to make the routers job of shutting you out more difficult.

radix ,
@radix@lemm.ee avatar

Fair point!

ramjambamalam ,

Changing your MAC will make older messages undeliverable, but that just means the connection will be momentarily interrupted until you establish new connections after re-connecting to the WiFi.

Why not just assign yourself a different internal IP? Because a. the router probably wants to assign you one itself via DHCP; and b. the router isn’t looking at your IP address to lock you out; it’s looking at your MAC address.

If your IP address is where in cyberspace you are, a MAC address is who you are. If you want to fool the bouncer, change your name, not your address.

radix ,
@radix@lemm.ee avatar

I see! Thanks for the explanation! Didn’t put two and two together to realize that the router basically reads MACs and writes IPs.

fneu ,

The router recognizes a device based on its MAC and assigns an IP address. Traditionally, the MAC stays the same, so you’re right. In this case, OP doesn’t want to be recognized by the (airport) router. There is software for spoofing the MAC address for most platforms. Changing the MAC address has recently become more popular due to privacy concerns and on some operating systems it’s supported out of the box.

radix ,
@radix@lemm.ee avatar

That’s pretty cool.

kool_newt , in Simple trick

I use this to make MACs for my VMs and virtual NICs. The 00:16:3E prefix means it’s Xen virtualization, so change this part as needed.


<span style="color:#323232;">#!/usr/bin/python
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;"># macgen.py script to generate a MAC address for guests on Xen
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">import random
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">def randomMAC():
</span><span style="color:#323232;">	mac = [ 0x00, 0x16, 0x3e,
</span><span style="color:#323232;">		random.randint(0x00, 0x7f),
</span><span style="color:#323232;">		random.randint(0x00, 0xff),
</span><span style="color:#323232;">		random.randint(0x00, 0xff) ]
</span><span style="color:#323232;">	return ':'.join(map(lambda x: "%02x" % x, mac))
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">print (randomMAC())
</span>

Use


<span style="color:#323232;">$ macgen.py 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">00:16:3e:17:ed:b1
</span>
WarmSoda , in Simple trick

Let’s pretend someone didn’t know how to do that on an android. How would you explain it to them?

pineapplelover ,

On android when you go to the wifi settings you’re currently connected to there should be a setting for randomizing mac address per connection or per network. If you change it to per connection, once you disconnect and reconnect your mac address should change. On per network, it will randomly generate the mac address for the first connection and keep that address for that wifi forever.

WarmSoda ,

Excellent explanation, thank you. Never knew what that difference was.

AnarchistArtificer ,

Thanks for asking the question! I’ve never needed to know it, and I’ve done enough android tinkering that I’m fairly sure I could find it quite easily if needed, but I enjoy my social media being peppered with bits of learning wherever possible. I’m a big fan of ambient curiosity

WarmSoda ,

Same here. Thanks :)

pineapplelover ,

Yeah, recently I was on school wifi and it kept bothering me to log in and figured I needed to switch to per network or it would bother me everytime to sign into the captive portal.

kspatlas ,
@kspatlas@artemis.camp avatar

I think per connection is a GrapheneOS thing unless I'm wrong

pain_is_life_is_pain ,

Yeah, on Android 12 I can only choose between “randomized MAC” and “phone MAC”. Doesn’t specify if it’s randomized per network or connection, but I’d guess it’s per network.

SuperIce ,

By default it’s per network, but if you enable Developer Options, there is a setting under Networking called “Wi-Fi non-persistent MAC randomization” that randomizes the MAC per connection for networks that have randomization enabled. I am on Android 13 though, so I’m not sure if 12 has this option.

pain_is_life_is_pain ,

Hey, cool! It’s here on Android 12 also! I take it as the network has to support randomization though, so it won’t work in all networks?

steersman2484 ,

Graphene just changed it to be enabled by default

But maybe they hat this feature earlier than AOSP

SuperIce ,

On stock (Pixel) Android, if you enable Developer Options, there is a setting under Networking called “Wi-Fi non-persistent MAC randomization” that randomizes the MAC per connection for networks that have randomization enabled.

Meruten ,

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Samsung’s OneUI does this by default for all connections .

SteveTech ,

I don’t have a Samsung, but I’m pretty sure that’s still randomised per network, per connection can be enabled in the developer options somewhere.

derock ,

I have a Samsung and it’s per network, even if you forget and rejoin it keeps the same random Mac address. You need to enable a developer setting to have it randomize when you join.

Tibert ,

Per connexion would be pretty bad. Per network.

Let’s say you want to set a static DHCP ip from your router. The only way to do so (from the router, I’m not talking from the phone), is by assigning an IP to a MAC address.

If the address is randomised per connection, affecting a static DHCP ip would be impossible.

Another thing a router often has is some sort of dhcp memory. It remembers the ip it gave to a certain MAC address for some time, then when the device connects back, it assigns the same IP it had before.

So if the ip changes each time either the MAC address changes each time (not sure it’s default), or the router has no memory.

example ,

for a device without inbound connectors and no ip based lan firewall rules, which applies to most phones, random per connection macs seem like a pretty good default for privacy.

some networks doing “unusual” things like hotel wifi limiting you to few devices (implemented by mac counting) may be thrown off though.

jasondj ,

I’ve run samba servers from my phones in the past (android, at least) which was nice for a “portable file server” when out and about.

example ,

I didn’t say there were no use cases for this, but the average phone user will not need it. someone using samba on their phone would likely be capable of switching the network config to not randomize every time.

Fosheze ,

That’s the point though. The address is randomized per connection specifically so the device can’t be identified. It’s to prevent tracking, blocking, or assigning, anything based on mac address without the device owners knowledge. Every time your phone connects the network has to treat it like a new device. If it was randomized per network that would defeat the point.

I personally can’t think of any reason you would need a static IP on your phone but if you did then you should know enough to know how to turn off the randomized mac address. You can even change the setting per network so if you need a static ip at home then you just set your phone to use a static mac address on your home network and continue using a randomized one on every other network.

FooBarrington ,

Most Android phones have an option to randomize MAC per WiFi, enabled by default. Maybe you can trigger a new MAC by forgetting the network and reconnecting?

SuperIce ,

If you enable Developer Options, there is a setting under Networking called “Wi-Fi non-persistent MAC randomization” that randomizes the MAC per connection for networks that have randomization enabled.

FooBarrington ,

That’s neat, thank you for the tip!

Odo ,

Would airport networks have randomization enabled?

notthebees ,

There was a way to do it on older Android phones with a specific Mac address changer but it broke after android 6 got released.

Steeve ,

Just google it you dumb piece of shit - Stack overflow user

Marked as duplicate

bappity ,
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I know you wanted this solution but that solution is shit here’s my one instead

noli ,

Nvm fixed it

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hitmyspot ,

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Thanks, I figured it out and got free food as a bonus!!!

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