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skulbuny , in <br>
@skulbuny@sh.itjust.works avatar

The one on the right should be labeled “full-stack dev” because that’s like 80% of them and they write in C# and Angular 😂

wintermute_oregon , (edited ) in Crowdstrike

This is my favorite one I’ve seen about it so far

HauntedBucket ,

Get out of here boot licker

randomuser38529 ,

Top three for me, a little too much on the nose. Thoughts on this one? possumpat.io/post/5194947

Edit: typo(s)

aniki , in Malware As A Service

ItS NoT A wInDoWs PrObLeM – Idiots, even on Lemmy

ricdeh ,
@ricdeh@lemmy.world avatar

I genuinely can’t tell at whom you are addressing this. Those claiming it is a Windows problem or those that say otherwise?

daellat ,

Hi, idiot here. Can you explain how it is a windows problem?

aniki ,

If you patch a security vulnerability, who’s fault is the vulnerability? If the OS didn’t suck, why does it need a 90 billion dollar operation to unfuck it?

Redhat is VALUED at less than that.

pitchbook.com/profiles/company/41182-21

It’s a fucking windows problem.

ricecake ,

Sure, but they weren’t patching a windows vulnerability, windows software, or a security issue, they were updating their software.

I’m all for blaming Microsoft for shit, but “third party software update causes boot problem” isn’t exactly anything they caused or did.

You also missed that the same software is deployed on Mac and Linux hosts.

Hell, they specifically call out their redhat partnership: www.crowdstrike.com/partners/falcon-for-red-hat/

Kusimulkku ,

Are the Mac and Linux machines having BSOD (-style) issues and trouble booting?

candybrie ,

No, because CrowdStrike didn’t bork the drivers for those systems. They could have, though.

ricecake ,

Nope, because they only shipped a corrupted windows kernel module.

It’s dumb luck that whatever process resulted in them shipping a broken build didn’t impact the other platforms.

pkill ,

isn’t XNU more decoupled than Windows kernel?

thefartographer ,

How the fuck did my Fedora just bluescreen?? Crowdstrike!

audience laughter, freeze-frame

xtr0n ,

Crowdstrike completely screwed the pooch with this deploy but ideally, Windows wouldn’t get crashed by a bas 3rd party software update. Although, the crashes may be by design in a way. If you don’t want your machine running without the security software running, and if the security software is buggy and won’t start up, maybe the safest thing is to not start up?

MangoPenguin ,
@MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Are we acting like Linux couldn’t have the same thing happen to it? There are plenty of things that can break boot.

InEnduringGrowStrong ,
@InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works avatar

CrowdStrike also supports Linux and if they fucked up a Windows patch, they could very well fuck up a linux one too. If they ever pushed a broken update on Linux endpoints, it could very well cause a kernel panic.

ricecake ,

Yeah, it’s a crowd strike issue. The software is essentially a kernel module, and a borked kernel module will have a lot of opportunities to ruin stuff, regardless of the OS.

Ideally, you want your failure mode to be configurable, since things like hospitals would often rather a failure with the security system keep the medical record access available. :/. If they’re to the point of touching system files, you’re pretty close to “game over” for most security contexts unfortunately. Some fun things you can do with hardware encryption modules for some cases, but at that point you’re limiting damage more than preventing a breach.

Architecture wise, the windows hybrid kernel model is potentially more stable in the face of the “bad kernel module” sort of thing since a driver or module can fail without taking out the rest of the system. In practice… Not usually since your video card shiting the bed is gonna ruin your day regardless.

Kusimulkku ,

It’s a problem affecting Windows, not problem caused by Windows I guess.

daellat ,

That’s what I was thinking so I was curious what the argument would be

GBU_28 ,

“even on Lemmy”

Like this is some highbrow collection of geniuses here?

barsquid ,

No just statistically we are all Arch (btw) Linux users who hate Windows.

Cornelius_Wangenheim , (edited )

Because it isn’t. Their Linux sensor also uses a kernel driver, which means they could have just as easily caused a looping kernel panic on every Linux device it’s installed on.

ytg ,

There’s no way of knowing that, though. Perhaps their Linux and Darwin drivers wouldn’t have paniced the system?

Regardless, doing almost anything at the kernel level is never a good idea

ricecake ,

Security operations being one of the things that is often best done at the kernel level because of the need to monitor network and file operations in a way you can’t in user mode.

ricecake ,

Also, it’s less about “their” drivers and more about what a kernel module can do.
Saying “there’s no way to know” doesn’t fit, because we do know that a malformed kernel module can destabilize a linux or mac system.

“Malformed file” isn’t a programming defect or something you can fix by having a better API.

deadbeef79000 ,

Having the data exposed to userspace via an API would avoid having to have a kernel module at all… Which when malformed wouldn’t compromise the kernel.

ricecake ,

I mean, sure. But typically operating systems don’t expose that type of information to user space, instead providing a kernel interface with user mode configuration.

It’s why they use the same basic approach on mac and Linux.

ohmyiv ,
@ohmyiv@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not impossible. Crowdstrike has done it recently to linux machines.

Kernel panic observed after booting 5.14.0-427.13.1.el9_4.x86_64 by falcon-sensor process:
access.redhat.com/solutions/7068083

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

Paywalled, unfortunately

pkill , in Malware As A Service

SHOULD’VE USED OPENBSD LMAO

Crackhappy , in Crowdstrike
@Crackhappy@lemmy.world avatar

This is entirely fake.

Coreidan ,

Like you

Crackhappy ,
@Crackhappy@lemmy.world avatar

Boom. Nice shot.

lseif ,

but op is verified

Crackhappy ,
@Crackhappy@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck me. I forgot to pay daddy musk to be verified.

SkunkWorkz ,
tweeks ,

What if it was a form of damage control, where they could claim in the future at lawsuits that they had total transparency at the time of the event.

Please, I’m kidding. But it would be interesting.

Phoenix3875 , in Crowdstrike

Sean k strikes it again.

JeeBaiChow , in Crowdstrike

Where’s the crowd? Are they all on strike?

veganpizza69 , in <br>
@veganpizza69@lemmy.world avatar

<br>

actually:

&lt;br&gt;

but only sometimes.

TyrantTW , in <br>

I feel seen…

FuglyDuck , (edited ) in imagine if the crowsstrike bug was malicious...
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

I’m willing to bet the threat of evil admin attacks will keep people up for a while.

xmunk , in I'm afraid I accidentally blue... everything

Ha, my company dodged the bullet. We’re so incompetent we didn’t ever set up LDAP and SSO in a manner correct enough to be hit by this.

RamblingPanda ,

We switched some months ago, so that bullet flew right by as well. But it would have been really funny with almost all devs on a conference.

MajorHavoc ,

I’ve felt this same combination of relief and shame. It feels like there should be a German word for it.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

I’m curious. Wouldn’t a process to test this update before pushing it out everywhere have been enough too?

Like, isn’t this showing that there are a jillion companies with no testing of certain updates?

Like, even virus definition updates should be going through testing before being pushed out.

Takios ,
@Takios@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Crowstrike offers staging like this.

The update ignored the stagings set up by the customers.

Kolanaki , in Googling
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I make myself stand out by phrasing it as “my google-fu is strong.”

jaschen ,

If you apply for Microsoft, you gotta say bing-fu.

boredtortoise ,

I’ve had a person not get what is google-fu

neuracnu , in <br>
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( ( laughs in old… ) )

Zangoose , in everywhere I go
Treczoks , in Googling

Actually finding something on Google often requires some knowledge and the application of the right strategies and tricks.

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