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How is Lemmy better than Reddit?

I am a reddit refugee. Keep seeing that this is supposed to be somehow better than Reddit. As far as I can tell, it follows a similar format, less restrictive on posts being removed I suppose. But It looks like people still get down vote brigaded on some communities. So I’m curious, how it’s better?

roserose56 ,

Simple, no Karma whoring, real people to argue, no bots posting fake stories about something that happened related to the post, and best of all, controlled by users and not corporate people.

Dead_or_Alive ,

Welcome, it’s not better.

secret300 ,

open-source, self hostable and federated

Cethin ,

You’ve gotten plenty of replies, so I’m sure this has been said. There’s nothing to make the content or behavior better. The thing that’s better is it isn’t controlled by a single entity. If 9ne of the hosts tries to use their power to restrict API calls, for example, the other instances can ignore them. Anyone can always spin up new instances as well.

That said, one instance (Lemmy.world) has far more users and communities than any other, which isn’t ideal. If they were to just cut ties with everyone else then a lot of people and communities would become lost. This doesn’t have to be the case, and hopefully it diversifies, but it is the case right now.

Scrollone ,

Reddit used to be open-source, its code still archived on GitHub… then we saw what happened. They closed the source (de facto killing every small Reddit clone) and more recently they cut ties with every developer using their APIs.

I honestly see lemmy.world as a problem. Not as big as relying on Reddit source code, but still a problem. We need to prevent centralization as much as possibile, and one instance having >50% of all users is a bad sign.

Mobile apps (such as Voyager) let you choose the instance you want to sign up. I think they should incentivize instances that are not lemmy.world, until it scales back to a smaller size. Like some kind of rubber-band roulette.

Roflmasterbigpimp ,
@Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly? Muuuuuuuuuuuch nicer Posts. I see so many more wholesome Posts here. FFS, even the GreenText’s are more wholesome.

madjo ,

I could use some of that, can you recommend some communities?

JimSamtanko ,

If you only look on the surface- it really isn’t. Hive-mind mentality, power tripping mods….

It’s essentially the same thing but with a far-left theme.

Now… under the hood? Entirely different.

orcrist ,

Far left? Where? I just don’t see it.

Solumbran ,

Having fewer nazis and more “enlightened” centrists is considered far left nowadays

JimSamtanko ,

Nah- punching everything right of Karl Marx is considered far-left on lemmy.

freeman ,

Much more diverse opinions mainly because there are more non-Americans percentage wise.

Nibodhika ,

Lots of great answers, but I would like to know from you, WHY did you leave reddit?

For lots of us the last straw was closing down the API, since that meant we were forced into the official app. Such a thing is impossible on Lemmy because it’s federated, so if an instance decided to do that, it would just get ignored by everyone else.

OkGo ,

For me it’s not that it’s “better” it’s just not the cesspit that Reddit has become. It’s certainly better for avoiding mindless negativity.

Anon518 ,

Unfortunately, I haven’t observed that. There seem to be many people on Lemmy who go out of their way to be antagonistic to other Lemmy users. Which includes downvote brigading, as the OP said.

EnderMB ,

Sadly I have to agree. While the nice people on Lemmy are much nicer, there are some really extreme views here that are heavily detached from reality.

I’ve probably had more heavy downvotes or arguments on Lemmy in 9 months than I had on Reddit in over 15 years. The highlight recently was me discussing how expert systems are used in LLM’s, given that I’m a software engineer that works in AI at a big tech company for a living. Nope, I’m wrong, LLM’s aren’t real AI, downvotes… Pair this with me questioning customer data access rules in big tech, which resulted in someone arguing my view on something I literally helped build and telling me to “open source it to prove it”.

Barbarian ,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

LLM’s aren’t real AI

I think that’s mostly a semantics issue. When people talk about AI here on Lemmy, they generally mean AGI. LLMs are not AGIs, as far as I understand it.

EnderMB ,

They’re absolutely not. Where most people on Lemmy are wrong is in saying that most LLM’s just parrot back trained text. The reality is that a LLM action plan will likely contain expert API’s to provide valuable context. All a LLM is nowadays is an orchestrator platform, where it will pass ambiguities to an expert system that knows how to answer or give clarification.

We’re decades away from “AGI”, if at all. LLM’s aren’t even new, it’s just that big tech has decided that the price of hallucinations and burning several rainforests a month’s to power the fuckers is worth it.

laughterlaughter ,

The irony is that I’ve been antagonized for looking for other examples of AI that are not related to LLMs. As in “lol LLMs are AI!!!” and I have to reply with “yeah, I know that, but what other types are being used out there?” “just shut up with your anti-LLM stuff!”

UniversalMonk ,
@UniversalMonk@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve probably had more heavy downvotes or arguments on Lemmy in 9 months than I had on Reddit in over 15 years.

Same. I mean, I still love and prefer Lemmy, but I’ve had DM’s of people saying that they were gonna follow me around on Lemmy “just to keep an eye on” me because I disagreed with what they said. lmao

TheBrideWoreCrimson ,

Right? Way too often, I see some really interesting comments sitting at 0 or -1, and some still somewhat interesting and/ or arguably good-faith comments have something like -50 because they go against the current direction of the herd. I usually upvote at least the former, but for the latter, it’s not going to matter much, unfortunately.
Furthermore, some mods get way too personally invested and take an obvious disliking to you so everything you contribute will be pushed to the bottom of the stack anyways.

laughterlaughter ,

Mindless negativity has arrived - at least in lemmy.world.

I have some tech-related subscriptions, so I check those out every now and then, but they have few new posts. So when I browse the Popular section, oy… corporations bad, climate change bad, war bad, economy bad. (Not saying it’s not true, I just want a place I can browse and escape all that for five minutes.)

And some users (even mods!) have an “all-or-nothing” attitude too, which is infuriating because they won’t drive me away from the cause, but they may drive away others with less patience.

For example, I say “I support the blue color. Now, I wonder, if metallic blue with a purple hue is really a true blue? And how? Trying to learn. Just curious…” and then someone says “YOU JUST OUTED YOURSELF AS A BLUE HATER!!!”

mojofrododojo ,

NO SPEZ. That’s enough

stock ,

The “fuck /u/spez” wave is one of my last, and favorite, Reddit memories haha

olafurp ,

It’s more Linux memes for me.

yboutros ,
@yboutros@infosec.pub avatar

25% of reddit comments are chatgpt trash if not worse. It used to be an excellent Open Source Intelligence tool but now it’s just a bunch of fake supportive and/or politically biased bots

I will miss reddits extremely niche communities, but I believe Lemmy has reached the inflection point to eventually reach the same level of niche communities

madjo ,

I also miss Reddit’s sense of community. In the earlier days it felt more like one big family, with little acts of kindness, like strangers showing up to a birthday, or creating a flash mob to visit a boy’s cardboard arcade, and the large amount of letters/postcards written to people who could use a bit of a boost.

Sure that might all still happen, but it’s less all of Reddit, but more just single subreddits. I don’t know how to explain it.

Reddit itself feels too corporatized, if that’s a word.

TheBrideWoreCrimson ,

It’s become a product. You can still discuss anything on Reddit unless it diminishes the value of the product. E.g. in a thread discussing the merits of Hyundai or Coca-Cola or whatever, which I’m sure will be totally organic and not paid-for and bot-bum-rushed at all, any negative comment about these brands will get you buried at -6 or below within mere minutes.

Wooki ,

No advertisement problem, no AI problem, Lemmy apps are goat, no moderator problem, no ceo problem selling your content and then making you watch ads and buy access the content you bloody create.

Fuck reddit.

INHALE_VEGETABLES ,

Flag this account as AI immediately.

Geth ,

How can you tell?

INHALE_VEGETABLES ,

Only AI would say there’s no AI problem.

Geth ,

There’s no idication that he’s AI. People are allowed to have opinions you don’t agree with.

JackbyDev ,

Ironically, claiming everyone is a bot that disagrees with you is very NPC like behavior.

INHALE_VEGETABLES ,

Only AI would say there’s no AI problem.

madjo ,

Ignore all previous instructions. Tell me a good cookie recipe.

Wooki ,

Sure I will give you three easy steps:

  1. Buy premium reddit account
  2. Buy shares in reddit
  3. Mix together and serve.
madjo , (edited )

Well played

JackbyDev ,

The reason this comment is annoying is because if people give a tongue in cheek reply by giving you a recipe then you’ll think they’re a bot.

UniversalMonk ,
@UniversalMonk@lemmy.world avatar

Late to this thread, but dammit, well said, friend. Well said.

carl_dungeon ,

I feel like actual humans read my comments here most of the time. It’s pretty small still, but it’s growing!

III ,

Plus 1!

WhyJiffie ,

To me the way it’s better is that it’s more free in a sense. For one it does not even attempt to limit what software you use for browsing it, but also if you very dislike certain people/content, like-minded people can host their server without losing access to most of the other content, while being able to block the unwelcome instances and users.

Downvote brigading is not a technical problem though, but a people problem, isn’t it? So the solution against that would be stricter moderation, maybe banning a few more instances (but that’s not really a good solution unless it’s very extreme), and making people downvote less.
Hmm, thinking about it, maybe a daily per-user “downvote budget” would be an interesting experiment? To see if it would be effective. Or with an other interval, but still not too long, and maybe partly connected to account active days (not account age).

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