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steakmeout , in Know your genocide apologists

This is a biased piece of pseudo intellectual misinformation. Communists don’t defend Russia and “lefty” (couldn’t you be more obvious in your bias if you tried) antifascists do not assume whole nations are fascist at all - clearly they attack fascists in their own countries without attacking everyone.

This is just dumb centrist shit masquerading as discourse.

DSkou7 ,

Do you know what sub this is?

qevlarr ,
@qevlarr@lemmy.world avatar

Not all communists, geez

But some are definitely doing this. If you haven’t encountered them, consider yourself lucky

Lemminary ,

If you haven’t encountered them

Good god, the tankies are insufferable edgy memelords on the fediverse

dingleberry ,

Just see my last comment in the sea of tankies. All these stereotypes are real and people like that live and breathe.

Pelicanen , (edited )

This post isn’t about categories of leftists or communists, it’s about categories of genocide apologists. Most communists do not defend Russia (I hope) but among those who defend Russia, some claim to be communist.

Braydox_ofAstroya12 ,

I mean can you even call yourself a communism if you dont defend genocide? Cant have communist utopia without it.

Microw ,

Do you really need someone to remind you of how Set theory works?

Fed ,

How did it say that all communists are like this? You’re just assuming things and getting mad over it.

casmael , in They can't keep getting away with it

What was it this time

Skua ,

Engine and sensor specs for the F-117

thisbenzingring ,

When I was in the Navy, during the mid 90’s, I watched these things take off and do training tests or whatever they did. We watched them for hours. It occurred to me, watching them in perfect daylight and with a understanding of what I was watching, that if I didn’t know what that was it could have easily been a UFO. And ever since then when someone tells me that they might have seen a UFO I tell them about watching that airplane and how UFO it looked taking off and doing maneuvers. Its shape and speed make it such a bizarre thing to see.

100 ,

I saw some jet in 2010 at an airshow in Spangdahlem, pretty sure it was an F-22, transition from flying normally to what can only be described as standing on it’s engines and flying through the air, horizontally, belly first. Evidently this was easy enough to be performed directly over the base at a very low altitude. Mindblowing.

jarfil ,

“Easy enough”… but wasn’t there a case where a pilot lost control doing that stunt, and the plane turned into a fireball just off-base?

cantstopthesignal , in 3000 Dangerous Spider-Tanks Of Allah

Most dangerous photoshoppers in the world

bane_killgrind ,

It might be ARMA you don't know

TigrisMorte ,

North Korea has joined the chat

Gradually_Adjusting , in She/Her Army Frightening A Chud
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Civilization is when misogyny

PugJesus ,
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Fuck, now I have to become an anprim.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
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Is that like a Primitive Technology YouTuber who just shares their clay bullshit?

PugJesus ,
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Anarcho-Primitivists ('Anprims') are people who think that the industrial revolution is a mistake and we should return to monke stick. Many believe that the Neolithic agricultural revolution was also a mistake, and we should return to hunter-gatherers.

HikingVet ,

That sounds like we should gather them up, find a isolated area (I hear there are some great areas in the russian hinterland that are open), and just leave them there.

variants ,

Like a Luddite?

PugJesus ,
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Same basic principle, but instead of "Stop all progress now", it's "Reverse all progress, billions must die"

SpicyPeaSoup ,
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ONE MILLION BILLION LIVES

768 ,

AnPrims will actually fight you on the genocide argument, because they don’t connect lack or destruction of infrastructure with death of those dependent on it: "They would die in The Collapse™ anyway ", because it’s a survivalist prepper doomsday cult.

raktheundead ,
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I, for one, consider it a good thing that more of us don't take advice from people with fetishes for cholera and pigshit.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
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Their big solution is to… undo history.

Something that has never once successfully been done.

PugJesus ,
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PRUSSIA_x86 ,
Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

That’s good then.

p03locke ,
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Hey, leave Primitive Technology out of this. He’s just a chad trying to build shit with the soothing sounds of nature.

Ilovethebomb , in Big Brain Billionaire War Policy

There once I a time when I respected this person. What the actual fuck.

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

I once thought he was a somewhat awkward nerd who fell upward from wealth into insane wealth.

Turns out, no, at one point he just had a functioning PR team.

Ilovethebomb ,

I mean, you don’t go from millionaire to billionaire in a decade without having some brains, you have to give him credit for that.

I just didn’t realise what a terrible person he was.

PugJesus ,
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Getting lucky (Paypal) and being a good grifter (Tesla) does not equal having brains. At most, if one wanted to be generous, you could say SpaceX was a venture made at an opportune time, but I would attribute that less to brains than luck, since the driving impetus for its founding was not "NASA is phasing out certain services which private companies will need to pick up" but "I just got rich and now I want to fund space exploration." Which, to be fair, is better than what most people do when they first get rich - but is hardly proof of intelligence.

afraid_of_zombies ,

SpaceX should have been a failure.

  • The US lost its primary source of engines and one of its main launch providers
  • the US was between rockets
  • Obama space advisors groked that the more people involved with space the higher the chance programs don’t get cut. Hence private launch contracts.
  • every other country that can do something in space lost interest for decades but still had needs.
  • Wall Street scumbags took over Boeing.
  • they hired obsessed talent in the beginning.

Any of those things hadn’t happened when they did and it would have been failure. Only one of them is because of something they did.

Chainweasel ,

I mean, you don’t go from millionaire to billionaire in a decade without having some brains.

It’s not uncommon for the lottery to get up over a billion anymore and it doesn’t take a whole lot of brains to gamble

flamingo_pinyata ,

Unlike many I do agree. Elon is extremely good at some things, like self-promotion. With some starting capital and understanding of venture capitalism it can get you a looong way.

Scamming people at that level requires serious skill. And makes you a terrible person.

archiotterpup ,

He’s a good salesman with autism. Don’t suck his dick that hard.

Piecemakers3Dprints ,
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We all used to shit our pants, so don’t judge yourself too harshly. At least you’ve learned from this mistake more quickly. (I assume.)

Blackmist ,

Was it the “pedo guy” incident for you too? It was for me.

Ilovethebomb ,

That’s the point where I realised he was kinda an asshole, yes.

Lordran_Hollow ,

I think that was the point for a lot of people. I certainly was one of them as well, he really revealed to the world he was a petty little shit.

bappity , in Common They/Them army W
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they/them and was/were

sylver_dragon , in What do you mean mechs are non-credible?

Even ignoring the square-cube law, it’s just a really bad design. If you look at modern main battle tanks, they have been getting lower profile. This is for the simple fact that not being a massive target sticking up from the terrain is a really useful feature. Even then, they often use terrain to try and lower their visible profile further. Add to that all the complexity of making legs and arms work, and it’s begging for a stealthier vehicle to drop the mech with a 105mm penetrator to the knee.

Quacksalber ,

Let alone drones. If you don’t install OP point defence on every mech, they will all be brought down by drones targetting the legs.

dublet ,

Ah but the bipedal mech suits could crawl along to floor, given a really low profile. Tank can’t do that. Checkmate.

/s

eestileib ,

I want to see a Raven crawling on the floor with a low profile.

A Dire Wolf would be quite something too.

NielsBohron ,
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Didn’t the original tabletop BT rules allow for mechs to lie prone for better accuracy and defense? And mechs that didn’t have arm actuators had a penalty to standing back up?

eestileib ,

In game they introduced regular human sized battlesuits (“elementals”), they gimp mechs pretty much as bad as you’re saying.

lightnsfw ,

I think you are ignoring the very important fact that Gundams are dope.

Duamerthrax ,

Patlabor addresses this somewhat. Bipedal mech started as a way to rapidly rebuild Tokyo after a massive earthquake. They became so ubiquitous, that regular people had access to them so between drunk/disgruntled construction workers and some bank robberies, Tokyo police had to add two divisions of “Patrol Labors” to deal with it. They’re costly and annoying to everyone. The mech carriers are two lanes wide and no body likes giving them the right of way in traffic. After that, the companies making them diversified into military and meches have a limited roll depending on the terrain. Mostly swampy jungles with bad line of sights, so the legs are useful and the high profile a none issue. High end military models are very quiet compared to civilian models.

DJKayDawg ,

A taller mech has better reach. It helps when fighting with fists and swords. Checkmate!

Varyag , in why does this keep happening?
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I swear at this point they do this shit on purpose. Poorly implement vehicle models into the game, their suffering-oriented game design makes people mad enough to want the vehicles better represented, but they don’t accept any other “secondary sources” so people resort to leaking classified documents… It’s too crazy not to think it’s on purpose.

Plibbert ,

That’s some 4D Level international espionage.

magikmw ,

I mean, it’s not that far out of the park.

Earthwormjim91 ,

It’s what real espionage looks like. There’s so many damn classes I have to take exactly about this kind of stuff because it’s so effective.

fsxylo ,

Espionage in movies: any scene from 007

Real espionage: lol bro check out this sweet game it’s on this flashdrive I picked up outside.

thepianistfroggollum ,

That wasnt a classified document, though. Anyone can buy a copy.

Khotetsu ,

Plenty of the “classified” documents aren’t actually classified. Oftentimes it’s a case like this, but I remember one person posted a link to the Wikipedia page for a WW2 tank to show how the in-game stats were nerfed compared to the actual vehicle, and they said they couldn’t use data from classified documents.

vettnerk ,

I expect a truly horrible ingame version of the F22 and F35 to appear in a few patches.

Widowmaker_Best_Girl , in What do you mean mechs are non-credible?

If square-cube law then how T-Rex? Checkmate engineers.

tetelestia ,

What T-Rex? Square cube law dealt with them years ago!

turmacar ,

“Square cube law cast Meteor! It was super effective!”

Texas_Hangover ,

Fuckers had no arms! Who wants to do leg day every fucking day?!

DarkMFG ,

Me.

Aux , in Know your genocide apologists

Oh look, the post is overrun by genocide apologists!

rambaroo ,

Oh look, a fascist who labels anyone that criticises a stupid right wing meme as a genocide apologist.

Aux ,

Oh look, an actual fascist who loves genocides!

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Spiderman shouting “Fascist” at Spiderman, at this point.

Not that it matters. Nobody on this site has any actual influence over the killing. We’re all just getting off on being self-righteous and calling each other names.

Aux ,

People upholding liberal and democratic values do have influence over these matters. But obviously “lefties” and “righties” try their best to undermine human rights.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Upholding values by doing what?

Aux ,

Well, I don’t know. By creating things like human rights, for example. Or making slavery illegal. Those small things no one cares about.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

By creating things like human rights, for example.

What does that look like in practice?

Or making slavery illegal.

So… legislating?

Aux ,

Don’t steer the topic away.

Braydox_ofAstroya12 ,

Creating laws, and institutions based on liberal values of, free expression and responsibility

mwguy ,

How dare you accurately describe me!

Furball ,

Look at this right wing meme which (checks notes) dunks on right wingers!

prettydarknwild ,
@prettydarknwild@lemmy.world avatar

oh look, a leftist who defends an alt right government

Rainmanslim ,

Lemmy is lousy with communists and antifa types who suxk chomsky’s balls like the bootlicking commies they are.

duviobaz ,
@duviobaz@lemmy.world avatar

Those people are not considered communists by actual communists. Actual communists are in favor of NATO.

PugJesus OP ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

Actual communists are in favor of NATO.

Wouldn't go that far. Actual communists may not be as reflexively "West Bad" as tankies, but generally have a negative view of Western-led international initiatives like NATO.

duviobaz ,
@duviobaz@lemmy.world avatar

I am a full blown communist, despie the soviet union, china, the DPRK, vietnam, the middle east and so on, yet support NATO, the west and especially europe, while also acknowledging that the west is not perfect and does a shitton of bad stuff. Edgy anti-communists can’t bother to not think in black&white. Reality is more complex than that.

Fawxhox ,

What’s your problem with Vietnam?

orrk ,

wait, you think it’s wrong to have a problem with an authoritarian state as a communist?

brother in Christ, most left coms see Stalinism, and it’s progeny as nothing more than fascist masquerading as communists, I mean what actual resemblance do they have to a stateless society run by local governments made of the people who live there, and while I’m not 100% with the outdated anarchism, I can at least recognize that the soviet and the sino state structures aren’t communist

Fawxhox ,

You didn’t answer my question. Besides to say it’s authoritarian (which, so are most forms of communism

orrk ,

not really, communism calls for an abolishment of the state, or are we playing the “everything that calls its self X is X” game?

by that logic, the DEMOCRATIC people’s REPUBLIC of Korea must be a democratic republic, the people’s REPUBLIC of china must be a Republic, etc…

or do we describe things based on what they act like?

mulcahey ,

Hey quick question: Are there any communist countries that you, a “full blown communist,” support?

You might enjoy this essay on the importance of supporting communists when they win, and not just when they lose.

PugJesus OP ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

Hence the 'generally'.

Rainmanslim ,

That’s just a “no true scottsman” fallacy.

SasquatchBanana ,

And the name we designate these “communists” are tankies or MLs (Marxist-Lenninists). They are only communist in name and believe in authoritarian ideals like what is happening in China or Russia.

orangebussycat ,

Communism is a threat to western civilization. NATO was created to collectively defend against communists.

dublet , in SMOLENSK IS LITHUANIA

Władysław? Baby, don’t hurt me Don’t hurt me, no more

SonnyVabitch ,

Václav got to do, got to do with it??

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I Lech it Lech That.

FiskFisk33 , in In honor of the M1 Abrams being delivered to Ukraine later this month...

he is still qualified to tell them how the equipment works…

are we gatekeeping tank school now?

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

It's a meme, not an in-depth examination of international tanking standards. It's just poking fun at the fact that Ukraine is one of the few countries in the world which has current tank-to-tank combat experience, but they go to the US for advanced training courses.

OwlPaste ,

Imagine abrams have different behaviours and buttons to press to what these chaps are used to. Different weight class, handling, aiming, reloading, maintenance. You don’t need tank v tank combat experience to educate people who don’t necessarily speak English fluently which button does what, where it is and when/how to use tank gadgets so it goes into muscle memory because i donno about you, but if someone starts shooting me out of a tank i am very likely to piss myself. Its better they learn muscle memory of where what is in those tanks to be effective and hopefully soon we can see these chaps rolling into Crimea.

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

I too would rather piss on the right buttons than piss myself

DoomBot5 ,

Or you know, you can just enjoy the meme.

zakobjoa ,
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I think you’re lost, this is actually NonCredibleDefense.

bdesk ,

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The M1 Abrams entered 🆕 service 🛎 in 1980 and currently ⌚ serves 💁 as the main 🅱 battle ⚔ tank 🚂 of the United 🇺🇸 States 📔 Army 🎖 and Marine 🌊 Corps 👮. The export 📸 version 📼 is used 🎶 by the armies 🎖 of Egypt 🇪🇬, Kuwait 🇰🇼, Saudi 🇦🇮 Arabia 🇦🇺, Australia 🇦🇺, and Iraq 🇮🇶. The Abrams was first 👆 used 🎶 in combat 🔫 in the Persian 😯 Gulf War ⚔💣🔫 and has seen 👀 combat 🔫 in both the War ⚔ in Afghanistan 🇷🇺💂🇦🇫 and Iraq 🇮🇶 War 🌟⚔ under 😀 U.S 👨. service 📣, while Iraqi Abrams tanks ⛽ have seen 👀 action 🎭 in the war 💥⚔ against 🚫 ISIL and have seen 👀 use 😏😁😆 by Saudi 🇸🇦 Arabia 🇸🇦 during the Yemeni Civil 👌 War 🔫.

Windex007 ,

In fairness the question posed is how do they “fight” not “how does the equipment work”.

Patimation_studios , in Repair? UNKNOWN TECHNOLOGY

Russians when they discover a game changing and revolutionary tactic called Logistics

rikudou ,

They have chosen vodka instead.

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

No logistics = no booze

This is what smart militaries learn, and they go to any length to protect their supply lines for that reason

Tar_alcaran ,

99% this is why the Tu-22 used ethanol for coolant. If you do your maintenance properly, you get free booze after every successful landing.

Rinox ,

you get free booze after every successful landing.

Or before

echodot ,

Or indeed, instead of

Everythingispenguins ,

Or the systems that need to be cooled don’t function because some one drank the coolant… guess which one was more common.

Rinox ,

Like the time they designed their plane to run on vodka?

Treczoks ,

They are still playing the tried and tested tactic of Corruption, it is more profitable.

lol3droflxp , (edited ) in An old pic, but since Ukraine is about to get another bil from Uncle Sam...
@lol3droflxp@kbin.social avatar

It’s actually:

  1. US 42.8 bn
  2. Germany 7.5 bn
  3. UK 6.6 bn
  4. EU Institutions 5.6 bn
  5. Poland 3 bn

(This list is military aid only.)

Getting a bit tired of the Poland strong propaganda.
Source: Ukraine Support Tracker, ifw Kiel.

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@kbin.social avatar

This is military aid only.

Yes, it literally says "Military aid" at the top

lol3droflxp ,
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Edited my comment to clarify that I meant my list. Overall aid would look different US > EU > UK > Germany > Japan > Canada > Poland

lescher ,

Also the EU funds are mainly paid for by the net-payers in the EU Like france, Germany etc.

Also the estimated value for the old polish Tank that we’re transfered was weirdly high

surewhynotlem ,

Do you also believe a flat tax is fair?

Country, Spend, GDP, % of GDP

Poland, 3, 679.4, 0.44%

US, 42.8, 23320, 0.18%

Germany, 7.5, 4260, 0.18%

UK, 6.6, 3131, 0.21%

lol3droflxp ,
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Then Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania would be top three in that order with Poland only paying half as much in %GDP as Estonia

PugJesus ,
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Estonia 💪💪💪💪💪💪

hemko ,

Baltics have special hatred on vatniks

cacheson ,
@cacheson@kbin.social avatar

Do you also believe a flat tax is fair?

I think you might be looking for the term "head tax", as in each person pays a fixed amount regardless of any other characteristics.

SaakoPaahtaa ,

Idc, I could die for the glory of Poland

Rin ,

POLSKA GÓRĄ 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱

FaceDeer ,
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It probably swings back toward the scenario depicted if you divide the amount given by the total amount that those countries have available to give, but yeah, good to keep real figures in mind while we have our fun.

JohnDClay ,

They’re probably old numbers in the comic. Do you have per capita aid figures? Rough calculations say

US $130/p

Germany $90/p

UK $99/p

EU Institutions $13/p (this one is weird since countries are also contributing separately?)

Poland $79/p

Aid as a share of GDP would also be interesting.

lol3droflxp ,
@lol3droflxp@kbin.social avatar

On the source website there is quite a bit more. The EU stuff is funded by a share of approximately .2 % of GDP by all EU members in addition to their individual aid.

JohnDClay ,

You mind linking it? I’d love to take a look.

lol3droflxp ,
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Etterra ,

It’s an old comic dude. Also you’re missing the joke as well as any historical context.

Poland has been through the wringer for centuries and even ceased existing for a while. Having some issues and hating Russia are some of the least unlikely results.

lol3droflxp ,
@lol3droflxp@kbin.social avatar

Ok

Pietrasagh ,

Were doing what we can. I wouldn’t call it propaganda. Please also consider each country GDP. Everyone have limited resources. Poland GDP is 5 times smaller than Germany or Japan and 36 times smaller than US

PsychedSy ,

The US also is kind of built up to be able to almost single handedly be NATO. Our defensive strategies involve using EU countries as bases. We have a vastly different goal with our military stockpiles. (Other than making defense contractors money I mean.)

lol3droflxp ,
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Well it is when the piss party is trying to convince everyone that Poland is the only country in the EU really helping, especially vs Germany.

SkyezOpen , in Never return to the scene of your crime

Scene of the Crimea*

Spaghetti_Hitchens ,

I read this in Mario's voice and it works

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