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fne8w2ah ,

Thoughts and effin’ prayers man… 🤬

damienallbran ,

I go to the same college as she did, I didn’t know her as I’m two years above her. There is currently a makeshift memorial set up in memory of her where they held the vigil the day after she was shot. What was really surreal was driving around close to where she was shot was just seeing people walking around like nothing had happened, just continuing on with their lives. I felt this same way the day of the Covenant shooting, which was less than a year ago now. I honestly think that the only way this senseless gun violence will end is if someone shoots up the capitol (pls note I do not plan on this or that this is a call to action). I wish we didn’t have to deal with this but the gun culture has become to ingrained that I wonder how many innocent lives we’ll go through before it ends.

cyrano ,
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Like this ?…wikipedia.org/…/Congressional_baseball_shooting

Still no change.

Cethin ,

I honestly think that the only way this senseless gun violence will end is if someone shoots up the capitol

Believe it or not, DC actually does have pretty strict gun regulations. Still, it’s not impossible to get guns into the city, but it’s better than nothing.

Heikki ,

Stray bullet also makes it sound like it was “aimed” and mjssed the target a little bit

Mediocre_Bard ,

“Stray Bullet” makes it sound like the bullet got off leash. This was a reckless and irresponsible use of firearms and we should start calling it that.

AgnosticMammal ,

They’re even admitting they won’t take the responsibility to attempt tracking it down!

GiddyGap OP ,

Irresponsible use of firearms in an irresponsible gun culture. Toxic combo.

AndyLikesCandy ,

Sounds like you’re conflating gangbangers who post tiktok videos of themselves blasting the air with the 1/3-1/2 of normal humans in American households who own guns.

The real problem here seems to have been the court confusing a gangbanger for a human who can integrate into society.

MaxVoltage ,
@MaxVoltage@lemmy.world avatar

small price to pay for freedom

LemmysMum ,

Death is the price you pay to buy freedoms, it’s not a fucking subscription service.

AndyLikesCandy ,

As a matter of fact, it is a subscription, and it’s exactly how the right to privacy, right to not self-incriminate, due process in general, and “beyond a reasonable doubt” work: on the principle that it’s better that some evil people will get off and reoffend than it is for innocent people to be incarcerated for failing to prove their innocence. Not how it always works when prosecutors and judges have a different personal philosophy, but that’s the idea and the trade-off taken.

LemmysMum ,

No, it’s not. Suffering death is the cost of not having the rights to live. Death is the cost of winning those rights. You believe it’s a subscription service because you haven’t won those rights yet and you’re still paying the cost of not having the right to live.

AndyLikesCandy ,

I’m not sure you fully understand the words you’re saying, “right to live” would necessarily demand compelling people to act in the furtherance of everyone else’s lives. You could be held criminally liable for eating too much for example, because you’re taking away resources needed to keep others alive, and your unhealthy lifestyle taxing the health system actively hurts those who need it more.

You’re looking for a different kind of government altogether.

LemmysMum , (edited )

There is a surplus of resources, that’s a strawman argument.

Taxes on unhealthy items such as cigarettes and recreational drugs, and sugar exist, these are how you account for those issues of behavioural social damage and the imbalance in cost of social healthcare.

You could be held criminally liable for eating too much for example, because you’re taking away resources needed to keep others alive

Yes, we should do this. Let’s start with the billionaires and see if everyone has enough then.

AndyLikesCandy ,

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    LemmysMum ,

    Can you quantify this surplus?

    Billionaires exist. Are billions of dollars worth of the very resources we need to survive quantifiable enough?

    Who do you think is hoarding both your resources and the benefit of your labour? Who do you imagine is diminishing your capacity for survival?

    AndyLikesCandy ,

    Can you quantify this surplus? Because your unqualified statement requires there to be enough to meet ANY demand. You just sound like a genzedong tankie who does not understand the most basic market theory that for every demand there must be a counterpart, who themselves will have demands, and there’s no unlimited resource hack IRL (yet).

    Your right to life ends where my right to not get unalived by your wishes ends.

    Sorry meant to add here and this app needs polish… Deleted comment too slowly.

    Also your tangent changed subjects. Right to life. Criminality vs liberties.

    LemmysMum , (edited )

    How do you get unalived by taxing the wealthy? How do the wealthy get unalived by not being allowed to hoard excess resources beyond their consumption? And how is their ownership not an infringement on the rights of the poor to not be unalived by exploitative systems?

    Your grasp on the subject is beyond tenuous, it’s outright non-existent. I don’t know what conversation you think you have the capacity to be part of, but this is not the one you want.

    AndyLikesCandy ,

    Your grasp of how money works is surface level.

    Let’s start here: billionaires do not have billions of dollars like Scrooge McDucks swimming in gold. They hold securities for companies that are doing things on the idea that they can sell them and redeploy that capital later.

    In other words: the money means nothing. All that wealth means is they’re the ones who control resources.

    By similar reasoning, modern monetary theory is that government can print money and activate unused resources without driving inflation very much.

    So what you want is a planned economy. Soviet style. In fact the language you use makes it clear you’re fully bought into tankie propaganda.

    There are 3 ways to make people do things: money, love and power. So am I going to give you everything you need because of love? money is clearly not the means to ends in your system. That leaves the threat of unaliving.

    And so we’re back at gun control, the only way your kind is able to make such a system work: by killing everyone who disagrees.

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    AndyLikesCandy ,

    You’re 12 aren’t you?

    LemmysMum ,

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    AndyLikesCandy ,

    I brought up points you clearly never knew or thought of and you shut down.

    You need to find an echo chamber on Reddit if you want someone to stroke your comfort zone.

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    AndyLikesCandy ,

    Look you’re the one who reached your cognitive limit and switched to name calling. Call me whatever you like but you’re the one being a petulant child while I was mistakenly attempting to speak with you as if you were capable of engaging in a real conversation.

    AndyLikesCandy , (edited )

    Do you know how many dollars you’d have if you took every dollar away from every billionaire and divided it evenly? Enough for a nice dinner, maybe a very cheap getaway, not enough to stop working or get all your needs met by someone else who is in the same position as you.

    LemmysMum ,

    Wow, who doesn’t understand economic theory now. Of course that wouldn’t work, you’d have to be a moron to even suggest it.

    AndyLikesCandy ,

    You’re the one who replied to my deleted comment with " all those billionaires exist" (I can’t actually pull it up in this app now to quote).

    That’s some maoist theory you’re leaning on.

    LemmysMum ,

    Why are you deleting your comments? Don’t they have any merit?

    AndyLikesCandy ,

    App issue, reposted

    LemmysMum ,

    Here you go:

    Can you quantify this surplus?

    Billionaires exist. Are billions of dollars worth of the very resources we need to survive quantifiable enough?

    Who do you think is hoarding both your resources and the benefit of your labour? Who do you imagine is diminishing your capacity for survival?

    AndyLikesCandy ,

    Ok so America has 300,000,000 people. That’s $3 per person for every billion dollars. Come on genius, bring that math, explain how all those billions divide into everyone having everything they need and everyone else will absolutely deliver those needs.

    LemmysMum ,

    That’s not how economics works, you cant just pay everyone a dividend. besides, only about 15% of those 300k need a share of that assistance to get up to base levels of not being homeless and starving. If you’re going to bitch about knowing economic theory as least have the intellectual fortitude to not make disingenuous bad-faith arguments befitting a troglodyte.

    AndyLikesCandy ,

    You’re right that you cannot pay a dividend but you missed the check on your knowledge of how wealth and money work: that money doesn’t exist. Only a miniscule fraction of that wealth exists as a budget you can just spend as you know it. All that those billionaires have is the ability to tell people what to do and all they can spend is reallocating productivity towards other goals. All the money that actually gets spent goes into other people’s pockets and gets spent in turn. The inefficiently in this system is far lower than the inefficiency in a planned economy.

    Dimpships ,

    Then do us a favour and pay up.

    Illuminostro ,

    Yeah, fuck that NRA apologist bullshit

    Amends1782 ,

    Agreed completely

    greenmarty ,

    Shhh, in the US they are very strongly against making sure gun owners are properly tested for how to operate guns and psychological state they are in. Rumors say it could lead to less shooting incidents but it obviously can’t be true because. … eh… amendment yes amendment !

    InternetUser2012 ,

    How sad. What a waste.

    joeyv120 ,

    The cost of freedom i guess

    GiddyGap OP ,

    “Freedom”

    SirEDCaLot ,

    Being found incompetent generally removes your right to have a gun. Why did he have a gun? Why wasn’t it taken away?

    If the laws we have aren’t enforced, then passing more laws isn’t going to help.

    RememberTheApollo_ ,

    Most guns used in crimes are stolen, bought on the street, taken from a relative, etc.

    So it’s probably pretty easy to get a gun in the circles this guy moved in.

    SirEDCaLot ,

    That’s usually the case. Which means passing yet more laws without enforcement is not going to have an effect on a group that overall ignores the law.

    RememberTheApollo_ ,

    TL;DR - gun owners are creating the very problem they claim to need firearms to defend themselves against, but resist any possible regulation between themselves and their toys and are quite happy to let society pay for their unfettered right.

    I’ve had guns my entire life. The only laws that will make any sense are requirements to secure firearms and making gun owners responsible for crimes committed with said firearms should they not be secured. A somewhat distant third would be capacity limits on magazines…seriously, I’ve had shit tons of fun shooting with 3 round mags or 5 round stripper clips. Nobody needs 15, 25+ round mags. At that point it’s a toy the owner is accessorizing. I’ve done more than one deep dive into the statistics regarding firearm use in crimes, and as I previously mentioned, the vast majority of firearms used are taken/stolen. Grabbed from a relative’s closet. People leave guns under car seats, glove boxes, truck door pockets, countertops, closets, wherever they either left them out of laziness or some fear they make up to justify them accessible in an instant. Theft is a fact of life. There’s never been a civilization without it. Homes and cars will be broken in to and guns stolen. Those guns directly used or sold on the street to be used in crimes. Now the gun owner washes their hands of the gun on the street and goes and buys more to defend against the criminals that stole their stuff. Rinse and repeat.

    If people can afford hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of firearms, they can afford a safe. They can afford to not be dumbasses and not leave unsecured firearms where little Johnny can find it and shoot himself, where Tyler doesn’t have the safe code to grab a couple handguns and shoot up his school, where some dude doesn’t steal the guns out of the pickup and then go shoot a store clerk for $ or the other drug dealer on his turf. Failure to secure said firearm gets a nasty charge, like accessory to deadly assault or something. I’m tired of gun owners’ who think gun control stops as soon a a they leave the range and that leave the rest of society to pay the deadly price for their toys.

    Kelsenellenelvial ,

    Lots of Canada’s laws are a little extreme to me, but they cover a lot that you said. Restricted firearms need an extra permit that requires personal references, and must be double locked(like a locked case in a locked safe, or trigger lock plus locked case) during storage and transportation, and we limit magazine sizes. Lots of our gun crime involves firearms purchased legally in the US that make their way here on the black market, so I’m in favour of the US tightening up their gun control.

    joeyv120 ,

    The cost of freedom i guess

    Treczoks ,

    Also in the column “Events that don’t happen in civilized countries”:

    cricket98 ,

    A black man named Shaquille Tyler was responsible newschannel5.com/…/who-is-shaquille-taylor-the-ma…

    GiddyGap OP ,

    It’s ok to just say “man.”

    cricket98 ,

    just being descriptive

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Then why didn’t you also say ‘a thin man’ or ‘a bearded man’ or ‘a young man?’ I think we all know why.

    cricket98 ,

    do you think its wrong when the media says white man?

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Something it pretty much never says?

    cricket98 ,

    www.floridatoday.com/story/news/…/977563002/www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/…/ar-AA16K3b0fair360.com/video-white-customer-attacks-black-mc…dailydot.com/…/white-man-attacks-black-teen-belt-…

    wait I thought that never happened, whats all this? Sounds like you aren’t being honest

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Your examples are when two different races of people are involved so differentiating them makes sense.

    What you said involved one person. Their race is irrelevant.

    So I’m not the dishonest one here. Or the racist one.

    tigeruppercut ,

    This is the first banned account I’ve seen on Lemmy, congrats!

    Yawnder ,

    See, guns don’t kill people, bullets do!

    RedditWanderer ,

    Bruh why you gotta be a bullet blamer like that. If the car hadn’t been there non of this happens.

    ArcaneSlime ,

    One could argue “Shaquille Taylor” does as he arguably played a key role by pulling the trigger.

    Yawnder ,

    If it wasn’t for that pesky gravity meddling, this wouldn’t have happened!

    quicksand ,

    Chris Rock had a great bit on this a long time ago. Bullet Control

    Jumi ,

    USA! USA! USA!

    Snapz ,

    Child in Gunsville, Alabama, dressed as gun holding a gun at a local gun appreciation day parade gets shot in the gun by a group of gun-shooting friends called the “fun guns gun group” who’s group motto is “let’s gun for fun!”. Now is not the time to discuss guns.

    notapantsday ,

    They really need to do something about this. Bulletproof vests should be mandatory in public places.

    arin ,

    Very useful if you get shot in the head. RTFA

    A Nashville college student died a day after she was shot in the head allegedly by a man

    Kecessa ,

    Then bulletproof helmets should be mandatory too, duh!

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Really, everyone should move around in Popemobiles.

    So_zetta_slowpoke ,

    I’m not sure how it is in the USA at large, but where I live, I can walk right into a store and buy a gun, but I have to get a special permit to own a bulletproof vest 🤦‍♂️

    Wouldn’t want to make it harder for the police to murder me I guess.

    aarRJaay ,
    @aarRJaay@lemmy.world avatar

    The only strays found in parks should be dogs. Not freaking bullets!!! What the heck is a ‘stray bullet’ anyway, they move in straight lines and can only be set off by someone pulling a trigger.

    goldisgood4u ,

    we shouldn’t be finding strays anywhere. please adopt dogs and bullets from your local shelter.

    ArcaneSlime ,

    Tbf neither are actually “allowed” to be in parks.

    Plavatos ,

    I imagine some “stray bullet” injuries/deaths are caused by firing into the air causing an arc. Don’t mean to “actually” you but it likely isn’t always a shot fired horizontally.

    I agree with you by the way. And gun control could start would rigorous training requirements (like checking backstops, education on safety) – it wouldn’t have to be “they’re taking our guns!”.

    BigMacHole ,

    If only she had a gun she could have protected herself!

    HW07 ,

    Don’t give them ideas…

    Kecessa ,

    Oh they already have them!

    GladiusB ,
    @GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

    And they suck and are stupid. Hate to sound crazy, but I’m tired of their fight fire with fire rhetoric. I just want them to realize how inept they sound.

    hglman ,

    Could have easily used the gun to shoot down the bullet.

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