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2 transgender New Hampshire girls can play on girls sports teams during lawsuit, a judge rules

Two transgender girls can try out for and play on girls school sports teams while the teens challenge a New Hampshire ban, a federal judge ruled Tuesday.

The families of Parker Tirrell, 15, and Iris Turmelle, 14, sued in August seeking to overturn the Fairness in Women’s Sports Act that Republican Gov. Chris Sununu signed into law in July. While Turmelle doesn’t plan to play sports until December, Tirrell successfully sought an emergency order allowing her to start soccer practice last month. That order was expiring Tuesday.

In issuing a preliminary injunction, U.S. District Court Chief Judge Landya McCafferty found Tirrell and Turmelle were likely to succeed in their lawsuit. She found that the students “demonstrated a likelihood of irreparable harm” in the absence of a preliminary order.

Cosmonauticus ,

Instead of having an opinion on a subject I know zero about I’ll leave it to the ppl who know about the pros and cons of Trans athletes. If you don’t know anything about it you should shut the fuck up and listen to those that do. The negative of the internet is giving merit to ppl who know fuck all about what they’re taking about

bostonbananarama ,

What do you need to know? It’s a high school team, not the Olympics. Why wouldn’t the default always be inclusion? High school is a tough time for a lot of kids, and I’d imagine it’s more difficult for most trans kids. If participating in sports makes it 5% easier, then so be it.

IamSparticles ,

In theory, I agree, but the reality is not that simple. There aren’t enough resources for everyone to play on every team, so there is selection, and tons of kids in high school pin their future hopes on doing well in sports. It’s ridiculous, and I hate the fact that school sports are so competitive as a result, but that’s the world we live in. Nobody is allowed to just play for fun. So as long as someone thinks their kid might be excluded or overshadowed because some other kid is “cheating”, there will continue to be conflict. It’s another aspect of the zero sum mentality.

bostonbananarama ,

While I guess areas may be different, the high school I went to, and also the area I now live in, have varsity and JV teams. You had to be good enough to make varsity, but no one got cut from JV. Just belonging on a team is enough for some kids to make it all bearable. Everyone mentions scholarships, but how often is this honestly actually an issue?

Riven ,
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Not just how often is scholarship but how many trans kids are even gonna apply to teams for this to be a problem. Judging by how much some people bitch and moan it almost seems like every single team in the world is getting overrun as we speak by trans athletes. Also why the fuck is the ‘party of small government’ getting involved by passing laws about this, leave it to the fucking commission of each sport once it reaches that level where it matters, they can put it to a vote and handle it or whatever the fuck they wanna do.

EldritchFeminity ,

For perspective, one of the states in the southwest (I think New Mexico) tried to pass a similar ban and it got overruled by a judge because it was found that it would affect a total of 4 girls in the entire state, and the judge felt that that violated the federal law that says that you can’t make a law that targets specific people (ie you can’t make it illegal for Mike and Jerry specifically to join the basketball team).

Riven ,
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Good for that judge.

IamSparticles ,

Your experience is very different to mine. I went to high school in the 90s. Even back then, both JV and varsity were cut teams for most sports. Some sports were popular enough that they had no-cut teams for underclass kids. But that cost money for extra coaches, equipment, gym time, travel, etc… I was able to play basketball on the freshman and sophomore teams, but I was never good enough to make JV, let alone varsity. Now my kids are in high school and it is even more competitive, because the schools in our area have more students and less money per student for sports. My son tried out for freshman basketball. There were 60 kids trying out for 10 spots. He didn’t make the cut. Only kids who had already been playing on district select teams for years did.

I want to be clear: I don’t think it’s fair to ban trans kids from playing sports on any team. But I also don’t think we can expect people to just get over it. In their minds, at least, there’s too much at stake.

rigatti ,
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Yeah but think of all the bigots that will have aneurysm because of this. Literally killing people by allowing the girls to play.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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the pros and cons of Trans athletes

Pro: Kids have fun playing together.

Con: Literally every single professional athlete will become trans so they can win at sports.

If you don’t know anything about it you should shut the fuck up and listen to those that do.

I remember folks from Phillip Morse saying this about smoking, then bringing out a congo-line of quacks to prove it. Then we repeated this with the Exxon shills denying climate change for thirty years.

Maybe I’m getting tired of being lied to by professionals.

june , (edited )
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Con: Literally every single professional athlete will become trans so they can win at sports.

Please tell me I’m missing the sarcasm here 🙄🤦‍♀️

What experts do you think are lying about trans people?

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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What experts do you think are lying about trans people?

British pediatrician Hilary Cass, just for starters

june , (edited )
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That is true.

Did I miss the sarcasm or do you really think ANYONE would/could transition just for supposed gains in sports, let alone EVERYONE? They would have to take hormones that make them permanently infertile for over a year and proceed with a social transition all to convince a regulatory body that they are trans (and all of this would be incredibly difficult on their non-trans minds), and they would lose an incredible amount of muscle mass which typically athletes… Wouldn’t want

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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do you really think ANYONE would/could transition just for supposed gains in sports, let alone EVERYONE?

No, that was pure sarcasm.

Even at the most practical level, there are easier and more effective ways to cheat at sports. But the hysteria around this thing that has never actually happened happening consistently means we need to pretend its a problem to soothe the nerves of people who are well past the point of competing in anything.

But the Cass Report shit was sincere. The amount of lying that went into structuring an argument for denying young people any form of bodily autonomy is staggering. Its going to go down in history like phrenology did. But we’re going to be forced to treat it as seriously as the Hutus and the Tutsies were forced to treat a guy with calipers, because this pseudoscience is being enshrined into British national law.

WhyDoYouPersist ,

That calzone looks amazing. Is that a spot in Concord? Although a few hints in the pic towards Europe.

BigDotNet ,

There should be a trans sports category.

NoIWontPickAName ,

There is usually, the “men’s” competition is actually usually an “open” competition.

Then there is a separate women’s only “league” or whatever the actual word is, I don’t sportsball that much.

I did find out there is a game called goalball, and that feels like cheating

girlfreddy OP ,
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There should be an anti-trans post category.

BigDotNet ,

There should be a pro-women sports post category.

girlfreddy OP ,
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As long as all self-identifying women are included, yes.

BigDotNet ,

Women are women you can’t just say you are a women WO being one, people born as women or men not choose to be one.

girlfreddy OP ,
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Gtfo.

WalrusDragonOnABike , (edited )

Like transhuman sports category? For cyborgs and such? Could be cool, but also could incentivize people give their body away to companies to make money. Guess first we just need to do away with companies.

BigDotNet ,

Men and women categories are for men and women, anything else should have their own category.

WalrusDragonOnABike ,

Yeah. Cyborgs.

Trans women are women just like Irish women are still women. Trans men are men just like finned men are men.

BigDotNet , (edited )

Nationalities are defined by the place you born or by the origin of you parents, something which it’s beyond your control and define yourself as something/someone, trans people are self-defined so it’s not something outside their control.

It’s like saying if I feel like someone who born in America and it’s white I should be treated like it beside I’m being black and born in Africa.

I can feel and define myself as whatever I would want, but there is a big difference between it and enforcing other people to see me as I see myself.

WalrusDragonOnABike ,

Huh? Having fins isn’t a nationality? Irish was just an example of an adjective. Not sure why you are bringing it up?

trans people are self-defined so it’s not something outside their control.

Sorta, but the statement seems to show a pretty relevant and significant misunderstanding. Trans isn’t like an easily externally identifiable trait like skin color (technically an autopsy could potentially provide evidence for being trans even in those who’ve never taken hormones or done any gender-affirming surgeries, but like we are talking about correlates, not defining features). But like neither is autism. You find out basically by asking.

For sports, some leagues have started dealing with the existence of trans people and hormone-doping cis women by simply making sports divisions include hormone requirements. Its not really about whether the person is trans or cis though, so it means some cis women who aren’t doping get excluded from cis women sports with such rules.

PS: gender and race are both just made up.

cannibalkitteh ,

How many trans kids in an age bracket in a single sport across the whole country do you think there are? For any team sport, it would be difficult to field a single team, let alone another team, for them to play against.

Donkter ,

The media blows this out of proportion for you to even consider this an option. If you think that’s an idea that makes sense then re-evaluate where you got that talking point.

There are laws banning trans people in states that affect like 5 people (I want to say there was a state law that literally affected one trans girl in the entire state.)

EldritchFeminity ,

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