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ganksy ,
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That’s probably $100B more than the top 100 richest contribute.

Zorg ,
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Well, the top 25 wealth hoarding dragons paid 13.6 billion in federal income taxes in a span of 5 years. propublica.org/…/the-secret-irs-files-trove-of-ne…
So you were likely only very mildly exaggerating that claim.
And before some class traitorboot-licker squeaks up about * the article looks at wealth which isn’t taxed, only income is taxed.* 1 that wasn’t the point & 2 you don’t need income when you have that kind of assets. But they built their wealth by massively benefiting from the society they pay so very little back to.

TachyonTele ,

I always assumed that undocumented workers were paid ‘under the table’. But it makes sense to have them/some be on payroll for the employer. Can’t be having zero people on payroll when there’s obviously employees.

Another notch on the board against all the idiots that think immigrants are a threat to a country built by immigrants.

Samvega ,

If I had infinite cosmic powers, I’d remove immigrants from countries which hate immigrants for a month. They’d go to some kind of pleasant dimension where all their needs were met, like a really nice holiday. And, back in our world, everything which immigrants work hard to achieve while getting little respect for it wouldn’t be happening, and it would be a shitshow.

And then I would make all the people that didn’t learn to stop being fuckknuckles from that experience live in their own bellybutton for a month.

StrawberryPigtails ,

Make it three months. It would take at least that long for the loss of their labor to start being felt across the board. Undocumented immigrants are vital in some of the damnest places and their absence would not e particularly noticeable at first.

themadcodger ,
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I remember watching A Day Without a Mexican when it came out. Low budget, but it's a similar idea to yours, except a magical fog surrounded California 🤷🏼‍♂️

Samvega , (edited )

Undocumented workers must be valuable to the economy. The people who employ them tend to be business owners who vote Republican, so they know the people they’re employing are creating profits, because those workers are creating profits for them.

In the early 2000s I had long conversations with a Republican-voting business owners who railed against ‘illegal immigration’, while employing them and therefore producing the conditions which incentivised them to become undocumented workers. His intellectual response was simply one of denial. He denied that his actions were hypocritical, or that he was creating the problem that he hated.

That was one of many important events that has led to me not assuming that compassion or moral integrity are commonly shown by humans.

Psionicsickness ,

I’m not sure that’s true, a lot of the undocumented workers I’ve met have worked in restaurants, and MANY of the owners there are absolutely champagne socialists that push Democratic rhetoric.

Would love to see data on it, but that’s got to be hard to gather, undocumented and all.

Riven ,
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Like with everything it’s a spectrum. I’ve known republican restaurant owners who also hire undocumented people, as well as warehouse, construction and field jobs. The difference at least usually is that the left leaning owners vote in a way that would help those undocumented people vs Republicans that vote in a way that would hurt everyone that isn’t exactly like them and in plenty of cases even hurt people who are exactly like them.

Steve ,

What he couldn’t articulate, is that his individual actions don’t have any effect the larger systemic problem.
He can’t fix anything by not hiring a dozen undocumented people.

He’s taking advantage of the problem he complains about. Which might make him a hypocrite. But nothing about the problem would change if he stopped doing either.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

They paid my welfare!

Imgonnatrythis ,

But they took our jorbs!!

EndOfLine ,
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Tax experts, economists, and union organizers say it is unfair for workers to pay into a system without a legal status to be able to reap its benefits

Wasn’t there some sort of skirmish in US history that involved the slogan “no taxation without representation”? Hmmm, what was that all about again?

Samvega ,

I have a strong urge to take you to Boston to make you a cup of a warm beverage created by steeping plant leaves in hot water. I have no idea what’s going on, and I’m scared.

JohnDClay ,

Total income tax revenue is 2T, so 100B is about 5%. Looks like there might be about 11M undocumented workers, which makes up 3% of the 333M population. That might indicate that undocumented workers pay about 50% more in taxes.

fiscaldata.treasury.gov/…/government-revenue/

RedWeasel ,

Is that more than the billionaires?

cygnus ,
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It depends how you define “billionaire”. They may not actually make a billion dollars in income annually. With that said:

Even if you drill down to the top 400 wealthiest taxpayers — data that was publicly available on an annual basis until President Donald Trump killed the report — they paid an effective tax rate of 23.1 percent in 2014. These taxpayers — with $127 billion of income — that year paid $29.4 billion in income taxes, or more than 2 percent of all income taxes, the IRS said.

washingtonpost.com/…/biden-keeps-saying-billionai…

RedWeasel ,

Makes sense. A lot of billionaires assets are on paper, as in stocks. And the stock is effectively worthless until you sell for tax purposes. That said that is a huge difference, however I think the estimate is 11 or 12 million Undocumented in the US. Obviously not all are working.

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