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'Gas-station heroin' targeted in crackdowns by states and cities

  • Kratom, sometimes referred to as “gas station heroin,” is an herb with opioid- and stimulant-like effects.
  • It can be fatal in very high doses but is not subject to much federal regulation.
  • So states and cities have been banning kratom sales or enacting rules and restrictions.
HEXN3T ,
@HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yet more fear-mongering. Have we not learned what the red flags are, yet?

MerchantsOfMisery ,

Kratom is so far from heroin…

cheese_greater , (edited )

I love how the line is always people don’t know what it is or they are putting in their body…

Ok so what’s the solution?

Fucking bannit!!! No educating, no harm reduction or offering better, safer drugs we understand better.

Nope, take away their toys!

Its the ultimate violation of Chesterton’s Fence. Tear it down, don’t replace it, nothing to see here, plebs

BarrelAgedBoredom ,

It’s not alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, or (depending on your locale) pot so obviously people shouldn’t be taking it. Fuckin fun police

cheese_greater ,

God help us when they come for the dihydrogen oxide

NoIWontPickAName ,

Dihydrogen monoxide

WeirdGoesPro ,
@WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Has anyone here done Kratom? It’s a very light intoxicant, and when you take a little too much, you puke it up quickly and efficiently. I’m sure it’s possible to OD if you have an iron stomach, but unlike heroin (which I also have personal experience with) where a few CC’s on the needle is the difference between life and death, it takes a stupendous amount of Kratom to get even remotely close to the danger zone.

These laws restricting Kratom seem like they are designed to steer people towards pills more than enhancing public safety. Boo.

clif ,

When it got banned in my area the “expert” witness supporting the ban was someone who owned a pain management clinic that primarily prescribed pills.

… No conflict there, no siree.

cheese_greater ,

God, the absolute irony and filth

Samvega ,

I love it when corrupt shit is this transparent. I hate it that this still doesn’t matter, because nothing is done.

Postmortal_Pop ,

Kratom also has a long history of being used to treat withdraw from opiates which led to several Southeast Asia countries trying to exterminate it because the government was invested in the heroin and opium trades.

The US would be all about that.

Waveform , (edited )

I’ve taken it for years with no issue except constipation from time to time. Kratom is about as impactful to me as an acetaminophen pill and a couple cups of coffee, which is good since I have to be careful about which substances I put into my body. I take one teaspoon infrequently. The key to taking it is to not take too much. Less=more, since higher dosages start having an inverse effect.

Articles like this one only seem to be creating hysteria where none should exist. We need more proper studies on the plant, but for now people should treat it like anything else: don’t overdo it. I mean, you wouldn’t take 15 acetaminophen tablets, and likewise you shouldn’t take dozens of grams of kratom at once.

Disclaimer: some people can’t keep their dosages low and they will develop a problem, so be careful with the stuff (or don’t even try it if you are worried about becoming addicted).

borari , (edited )

Thank you for that disclaimer. I had to babysit a friend while they went through an accelerated detox for kratom, it was ugly. I’ve babysat friends detoxing off heroin so I thought this would be ezpz, but it was honestly just as shitty a time as heroin detox. This was someone who had increased consumption to about 2-3 heaping teaspoons at least twice a day over 8 years or so.

Edit - After reading some of the other comments i want to clarify that I have no concern about overdose deaths from kratom whatsoever. My only concern is that I’ve seen multiple people get absolutely addicted to kratom, and the fact that anyone, of any age, can walk in to basically any store and buy this stuff with no idea of the addictive potential of it is concerning to me. I’d personally probably be happy with a ban on sale to minors and mandated harm reduction material printed on the packaging.

BarrelAgedBoredom ,

Yeah kratom has been catching shit for at least a decade. Despite the fact that it’s safer than alcohol and has been shown to be effective in helping opiate addicts recover. Pharma companies can’t make money off it so obviously it should be illegal

WeirdGoesPro ,
@WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

But why can’t they? It seems like they could just grow it and cover the entire spectrum of pain management if they wanted to.

BarrelAgedBoredom ,

Wish I could tell you. They didn’t do it with pot either despite it having plenty of medicinal applications. Maybe they perceive it as more of a threat than a money making opportunity? It’s less addictive than other opiates (from what I understand) and we know that addiction was part of their business model with opiates . It helps people recover from addiction in a way that doesn’t require life-long treatment so maybe it would be a net-negative in their eyes. Idk I just woke up and I’m rambling lol

LibertyLizard ,

It can’t be patented because they didn’t invent it. So while they could sell it, it’s much less profitable. One of many perverse incentives that exist in our insane IP system.

NoIWontPickAName ,

A cc is a very large amount, like a standard insulin syringe is 1cc total

Maybe you meant mg.

HelixDab2 ,

91 national OD deaths in a year, in a country of 330M, seems… Pretty okay. That’s really not significant. “Implicated in” deaths simply isn’t the same thing at all.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe not a lot of ODs, but it is addictive and bad for your health long-term.

And yes, I would say the same about cigarettes. Make doctors prescribe them and taper people down slowly in conjunction with pharmaceutical help to get them to quit.

clif ,

Is it addictive? Like, physically addictive or “that was nice, I’d like to do it again” addictive? I’ve known people who used it daily for months and quit with no reported problems, side effects, withdrawals, etc. Of course, my sample size is 3 so this is anecdotal.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

As I’m sure you know, unbiased information about these things is hard to come by, but for what it’s worth, here are some sources which do claim it has serious dependency issues.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32682371/

www.mayoclinic.org/…/art-20402170

www.sciencedirect.com/…/S0376871624002503

cheese_greater ,

I’m denying there were any deaths attributable to this. This reeks of bullshit

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