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Elon Musk draws fire for playing down impact of America’s atomic bombing of Japan: ‘Not as scary as people think’

Elon and Trump make the worst possible argument for nuclear power I have ever heard:

“Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed but now they are full cities again,” the multibillionaire owner of Tesla, SpaceX and X said.

“That’s great, that’s great,” Mr Trump responded.

“It is not as scary as people think, basically,” Mr Musk added.

They joked about nuclear power facing a “branding problem”.

“We will have to rebrand it,” the former president told Mr Musk. “We will name it after you or something.”

Etterra ,

Cool story Elon. Tell us, how bad would it be if a Fat Man bomb was detonated over your house? Pretty bad? Yeah now STFU.

xlash123 ,
@xlash123@sh.itjust.works avatar

The World Trade Center was destroyed by terrorists, but they built a new one. Not as scary as you think.

Gsus4 ,
@Gsus4@mander.xyz avatar

Ok, so now that’s Japan, EU, UK and Brazil that hate elon’s guts. He’s gonna start to run out of democracies to fuck with, will he move on to dictators or is that friendly fire?

Phoenicianpirate ,

He will not mess with dictators. Because in those countries he can get anything he wants just by bribing a few people. Not so in democracies.

jaemo ,

As a nation of one, one of my foreign policy agendas is the eradication of everything Elon Musk stands for. All my cells voted in favor of this, we are not a house divided.

Gsus4 , (edited )
@Gsus4@mander.xyz avatar

yeah, yeah, there are people of all kinds in these places, but know that if he attacks your institutions, he is not on your side. Governments have taken notice and are starting to act on it.

barsquid ,

Let’s associate a nuclear power plant with Elon’s record of dumping mercury in waterways and not giving a shit about safety.

Phoenicianpirate , (edited )

If Elon musk goes into nuclear energy I guarantee you, the plant he would make will have a meltdown that would make Fukushima and Chernobyl look tame by comparison.

Zink ,

Somebody should let these geniuses know that nuclear weapons are now a thousand times stronger, and there are thousands of times as many spread all over the world.

Plus they’re doing the old people thing where they pretend the past was all great. Plus there’s probably some kind of bigoted/xenophobic undertone, because after all it didn’t happen to the people that matter to them. (Which is very few people honestly)

charade_you_are ,

It would be really fun to punch him in the face for like 30 minutes.

cman6 ,

The internet has come full circle!

There used to be a game in the 90’s where you punch Bill Gates in the face.

Like this:
github.com/Martysh12/punch-bill-gates

Honytawk ,

I remember an early 2000 game called Who wants to Beat Up a Millionaire

Which was a quiz and if you got the right answer, you get to beat up your millionaire opponents until they aren’t millionaires any more. Even getting some weapons.

Ah, good times.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Just needs updated to billionaire.

julysfire ,
@julysfire@lemmy.world avatar

Can people stop trying Musk like he is some sort of “cool bro” idol?

Halcyon ,
@Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

They’re really working on making World War III attractive. That’s not a joke. They long for war.

Ophioparma ,

We already had two World Wars and civilization still exists. It’s not as scary as people think, basically. /s

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

It’s the absolute decadence of having a generation of youngsters offered up to the blood God for your personal indulging of geopolitical prowess

CynicusRex ,
@CynicusRex@lemmy.ml avatar

Not defending these two unethical bullies in general, but on this particular paragraph they are totally taken out of context. It is obvious that they are not downplaying the atrocities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki but merely stating that nuclear energy is not bad since people are already living there again.

SeaJ ,

Then they are simply idiots. A nuclear bomb like Hiroshima and Nagasaki are much different than the meltdown in Pripyat. That still has dangerous levels of radiation.

CynicusRex ,
@CynicusRex@lemmy.ml avatar

Fair point. I should’ve made the distinction. But in any case, nuclear power plants aren’t bad.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

As I said in my original post, the problem is that it is the worst possible argument you can make in favor of nuclear power, not that there are arguments in favor of nuclear power.

CynicusRex ,
@CynicusRex@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m just addressing the fuss that’s being created. They are clearly not saying “the bombings were not as bad as people think”, but the headlines and articles make it seem so.

By doing this we are using the same spurious tactics as they are. Inundating people with blown out of proportion news like this will desensitise them to step into action when it will actually be warranted—the boy who cried wolf.

They spew tons of misinformation/disinformation/fallacies that should be addressed instead.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

No, he’s saying nuclear power isn’t as scary as people think because things got better in the cities that America dropped atomic bombs on.

Which is exactly what I quoted him saying.

CynicusRex ,
@CynicusRex@lemmy.ml avatar

I can’t disagree with what you quoted, nor state that it is a good argument—it isn’t, as was already pointed out and which I do agree with. I’m emphasising that they are not saying “the bombings were not as bad as people think”.

MTK ,

Nuclear power needs rebranding

Elon: “TrumpX”

Treczoks ,

There is a reason people call them Weird. Anyone who calls the death of hundreds of thousands of people “not as scary as people think” needs their heads examined. And with those two, I would not mind if that would be perfomed in the autopsy department.

barsquid ,

Simply flee the country on a private jet or crawl into your billion-dollar bunker and the blast cannot impact you, what’s the problem? It’s only going to kill hundreds of thousands of poors, NBD.

Wait, that’s the old tech… it’s only going to kill millions of poors, NBD.

lemmeout ,

It clear most here didn’t listen to the steam. There is a lot of bullshit in that stream. But this barely meets the bar.

Trump was on the coal and oil train and Elon was basically trying to convince Trump that nuclear power is not as risky as people make it out to be. He even refuted Trump’s claim that the land in Fukushima and other nuclear disasters will be inhabitable for 1000+ years. His example may have been in poor taste, but not like the headlines make it out to be.

P.S. In 2024, is there already not enough material from these two dipshits that the news sites still have to take things out of context for clicks?

glorkon ,

He’s gonna run for president some time in the future, mark my words. And he’s gonna be a lot worse than Trump.

ChairmanMeow ,
@ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

He can’t right? Born in South-Africa, so he’s ineligible.

Schmuppes ,

Wasn’t 44 born in Kenya or something?

ChairmanMeow ,
@ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

Hawaii. Close enough for some though.

AHemlocksLie ,

A bunch of racist assholes made that claim while Obama was in office, but they notably never produced even the tiniest shred of evidence that it was even a possibility.

So no. He wasn’t born in Kenya.

Schmuppes ,

Oh, I see.

nomous ,

This is the problem with misinformation and low information voters. Shits been a decade and you still thought he was born in Kenya?

Do you actually follow any news sources at all?

Schmuppes ,

Alright I’ll come clean: I knew he was born in Hawaii all along.

SeaJ ,

Wouldn’t matter if he was (he was born in Hawai’i). His mother was American and he automatically was. Elon’s father and mother are South African.

ours ,

That would count on the Supreme Court not to mess with this for a Republican candidate.

Delta_ ,

not as scary as people think

meanwhile:

https://i.imgur.com/f8iOezs.jpeg

This painting/drawing is from artist Kichisuke Yoshimura, who said of it, “Their clothes ripped to shreds, their skin hanging down. On the riverbank I saw figures that seemed to be from another world. Ghost-like, their hair falling over their faces, their clothes ripped to shreds, their skin hanging. A cluster of these injured persons was moving wordlessly toward the outskirts.”

ours ,

Not scary: some people were vaporized leaving only a shadow, others badly burned as the painting shows, people were maimed and amputated by the blast, and a big part of the city was blown and burned down. Plus the poor souls who would die horribly from acute radiation poisoning over the following days.

And let’s not forget those nuclear weapons were some of the very first ever made. Modern atomic weapons can range from Hiroshima-size to turning a mountain into a radioactive lake range. Thankfully no hydrogen bomb has even been used in anger because that would be a completely different level of horror (and likely the trigger to the end of human civilization).

Many nuclear powers have policies to fire nukes on warning. That means they would shoot back even before the enemy nuke hits them. Shoot when the nukes are confirmed to be incoming.

Republicans love to regularly talk down the World-ending horror that would be using atomic weapons in war. During Bush Jr.'s “war on terror” they were already talking about using bunker-buster nukes and tried to diminish the well-deserved stigma of nuclear weapons.

Renaming them atomic weapons “Musk bombs” sounds hilariously misguided.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

John Hersey’s book, Hiroshima, which is a book of personal accounts he recorded just one year after the event from six people who were there, is one of the most haunting things you will ever read.

Junkhead ,

some children where at home after the bomb fell and they said a horrific burnt figure on fours came crawling in and died. It was so burnt black and horrifically melted they thought it was a dog. It was their mother.

absolutely sickening these “men” I wish i could just absolutely take it to these pieces of shit and beat them senseless.

doctortofu ,
@doctortofu@reddthat.com avatar

I have an idea Elon - how about we bomb your house with you in it? I’m sure after a while some other people will build another house there and move in, so it’s all good, right?

Gsus4 ,
@Gsus4@mander.xyz avatar

Yea, it wouldn’t be as bad as he thinks.

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