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Elon Musk draws fire for playing down impact of America’s atomic bombing of Japan: ‘Not as scary as people think’

Elon and Trump make the worst possible argument for nuclear power I have ever heard:

“Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed but now they are full cities again,” the multibillionaire owner of Tesla, SpaceX and X said.

“That’s great, that’s great,” Mr Trump responded.

“It is not as scary as people think, basically,” Mr Musk added.

They joked about nuclear power facing a “branding problem”.

“We will have to rebrand it,” the former president told Mr Musk. “We will name it after you or something.”

PugJesus ,

Nuclear power does have a problem where perceptions of danger greatly outweigh the actual danger.

Trying to make nuclear power sound safe by saying that a nuclear bombing isn’t that bad is not helping. I fucking hate these two dipshits.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Right? I’m not an anti-nuclear person in general (although I think it’s becoming mores superfluous as other methods become more efficient), but “thousands of people died and then they built a new city, so don’t worry” is so fucking stupid.

PugJesus ,

(although I think it’s becoming mores superfluous as other methods become more efficient),

Yeah, nuclear power plants are expensive and slow to construct. 20 years ago, hell, 10 years ago, I would’ve said “Yes, building new plants or making major expansions is still a good idea.” Now? Renewables are advancing so fast that it’s probably economically unwise to make major investments in nuclear power.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

exactly. it isn’t that they’re unsafe, its that there’s more effective options that aren’t oil.

solidgrue ,
@solidgrue@lemmy.world avatar

Nuclear energy has insane energy density in terms of MJ/kg (something like 3.9 x 10^6 ) versus chemical fuels (4.5 x 10^1), but it’s grossly inefficient because most of the output is waste heat and “hot” isotopes-- the last things we need. I don’t have hard numbers on hand but I wouldn’t say nuclear is more than a few tens of percent efficiency. Then there’s the capital costs to build, maintain and operate plants PLUS costs to source, refine, transport, and store the fuel, and then transport and discard (contain) waste product. Not worth it at scale.

Versus Solar, Wind and Tidal which are far less energy dense per unit mass of working fluid¹, but enjoy up to 80% efficiency, and are relatively easy to scale.

Nuclear still makes sense, I think, in interior areas like the American Midwest where wind and solar are fickle, and transportation (transmission) costs for tidal would be unsustainable.

¹ Not a fair comparison because solar efficiency is quantized on intensity x area / time, while wind and tidal would quantized on flux density, or (mass / area) x velocity (over time?).

SGforce ,

I think it would make the most sense at high latitudes. Where they don’t get enough sun for solar and maintenance on iced-up turbine blades would be a pain in the ass.

_bcron ,

Elon Musk the self-proclaimed engineer is also totally disregarding that a nuclear bomb does a whole lot more than knock down buildings. A tactical neutron bomb might level 4 city blocks but only an idiot would correlate how easy it is to rebuild with relative safety. Nobody would want to be within 200 miles of that

Zombiepirate ,
@Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

I’m beginning to think this Musk guy isn’t as smart as he lets on…

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

He should be strapped to a spacex rocket and sent to the sun. It isn’t as scary as you think.

JeeBaiChow ,

Tell trump it’s ok to go at night, when the sun is cool.

HootinNHollerin ,

He’ll be blind from staring so he won’t feel much

Bumblefumble ,

The SpaceX rocket unfortunately isn’t powerful enough to launch anything into the sun, but yes.

Delta_ ,

not as scary as people think

meanwhile:

https://i.imgur.com/f8iOezs.jpeg

This painting/drawing is from artist Kichisuke Yoshimura, who said of it, “Their clothes ripped to shreds, their skin hanging down. On the riverbank I saw figures that seemed to be from another world. Ghost-like, their hair falling over their faces, their clothes ripped to shreds, their skin hanging. A cluster of these injured persons was moving wordlessly toward the outskirts.”

SarcasticMan ,
@SarcasticMan@lemmy.world avatar

Elon is like that greasy kid in high school who would correct the History teacher with facts he learned by posting on /pol/. “Actually, the slaves loved being slaves because they got free housing and healthcare.”

Can someone please line his shit ass up against the wall already?

Zahille7 ,

I’d like to take a moment to share this video about what happens to the human body at different zones of the blast. It’s pretty horrific, but simulated.

classic ,

How fast would the disintegration in zone 5 (fireball) happen? Would the nervous system even register it?

meco03211 ,

Wouldn’t feel a thing. At minimum the blast would travel at the speed of sound ~343m/s. Nerve conduction velocity is on the range of 120m/s. Your nerves would be vapor before the signal reached its destination.

Tom_Hanx_the_Actor ,

This is both comforting and incredibly morbid. Idk how to feel.

doctortofu ,
@doctortofu@reddthat.com avatar

I have an idea Elon - how about we bomb your house with you in it? I’m sure after a while some other people will build another house there and move in, so it’s all good, right?

nothing ,

Big difference between the original atomic bombs he’s talking about and current (or even decades-old) thermonuclear weapons. This is just ignorant rambling from someone that wants to be “smart”.

capital_sniff ,

Meanwhile, Annie Jacobsen has a recent book on exactly this subject that has been making the rounds these past months. Those two have to be living in a small bubble to not know about this book.

Archer ,

Never heard of it

LustyArgonianMana ,
@LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

Title of book?

pineapplelover ,

This guy studied physics at MIT right? Doesn’t know how dangerous atomic bombs are?

moon ,

He didn’t study at MIT. He studied at UPenn and lied about having graduated from there two years earlier than he did, for some reason

pineapplelover ,

Ah my mistake. Reading his wikipedia right now, it says, “he transferred to the University of Pennsylvania, an Ivy League university in Philadelphia, where he earned two degrees: a Bachelor of Arts in physics, and a Bachelor of Science in economics from the university’s Wharton School.” Had no idea Bachelor of Arts in physics was a thing. But economics is Bachelor of Science? What happened there? Is that a mistake? Physics is a hard science.

yemmly ,

At some schools, any major can result in a BA or BS depending on which electives you take.

UnfortunateShort ,

Definitely resulted in huge pile of BS with Musk.

ECB ,

My school offered a BA in physics. I never knew anyone who took it (I did the BS) but they claimed it was aimed at theater set- designers.

QuentinCallaghan ,
@QuentinCallaghan@sopuli.xyz avatar

The Japanese people witnessing those events might have a second opinion.

TheBigBrother , (edited )

Nuclear bombs are a problem because it’s something just a fucking insane genocide will use. Isn’t about it will do a lot of damage it’s cos it kills everyone in a big radius WO distinguish if they civilians or army.

CynicusRex ,
@CynicusRex@lemmy.ml avatar

Not defending these two unethical bullies in general, but on this particular paragraph they are totally taken out of context. It is obvious that they are not downplaying the atrocities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki but merely stating that nuclear energy is not bad since people are already living there again.

SeaJ ,

Then they are simply idiots. A nuclear bomb like Hiroshima and Nagasaki are much different than the meltdown in Pripyat. That still has dangerous levels of radiation.

CynicusRex ,
@CynicusRex@lemmy.ml avatar

Fair point. I should’ve made the distinction. But in any case, nuclear power plants aren’t bad.

Treczoks ,

There is a reason people call them Weird. Anyone who calls the death of hundreds of thousands of people “not as scary as people think” needs their heads examined. And with those two, I would not mind if that would be perfomed in the autopsy department.

glorkon ,

He’s gonna run for president some time in the future, mark my words. And he’s gonna be a lot worse than Trump.

ChairmanMeow ,
@ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

He can’t right? Born in South-Africa, so he’s ineligible.

Schmuppes ,

Wasn’t 44 born in Kenya or something?

ChairmanMeow ,
@ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

Hawaii. Close enough for some though.

AHemlocksLie ,

A bunch of racist assholes made that claim while Obama was in office, but they notably never produced even the tiniest shred of evidence that it was even a possibility.

So no. He wasn’t born in Kenya.

Schmuppes ,

Oh, I see.

SeaJ ,

Wouldn’t matter if he was (he was born in Hawai’i). His mother was American and he automatically was. Elon’s father and mother are South African.

Xaphanos ,

I only recently learned of this:

youtu.be/olFmklCCccE?feature=shared

RagnarokOnline ,

This and Grave of the Fireflies are the two depictions of Japanese tragedy during WWII that I always think of

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