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Lemminary ,

TL;DR

“Prove Mike Wrong” offered $5 million to any willing and able cyber professional who could demonstrate that Lindell was wrong about the election being co-opted by Chinese hackers working on behalf of the Biden campaign.

in addition to having to pay a guy […] $5 million […], Lindell will now have to pay some of that guy’s attorneys fees, which were incurred in court.

Did nobody proofread this article? The writing is so convoluted. Run it through ChatGPT at the very least, good god.

unexposedhazard ,

The only things is the use of “guy” but apart from that i dont see anything wrong with that section.

mozz ,
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

They left the best part out of the headline

Business Insider reports that, in addition to the $5 million, Lindell will also have to pay the guy’s attorney fees. A federal judge has ordered Lindell to pay Zeidman $4,508 in attorney fees. Zeidman had initially sought as much as $12,800 for approximately 16 billed hours, but the judge ruled that some of Zeidman’s legal discovery requests were “overly broad”

catloaf ,

His lawyer bills $800/hr? Jesus Christ, who did he hire? That seems insane to me.

snausagesinablanket ,
@snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world avatar

That’s cheap.

VelvetStorm ,

Good lawyers aren’t cheap, and in the grand scheme of things are well worth the money when they win.

jeffw OP ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

That’s not super high. Maybe a teensy bit above average, but every speciality is different. Some fields of law bill at just a few hundred bucks an hour, while others regularly go that high.

mosiacmango ,

5 million dollars is on the line. Paying 10k to get it is a good investment.

Unpigged ,

You just explained the essence of Nigerian scam.

mosiacmango ,

Sure, but this was legitimate. Lindell admitted he had no intention to pay the 5 million, he just wanted to gin up free publicity.

He thought that “since you can’t prove a negative” that he wouldn’t have to pay. The judge in the case however found that since the data was literally technical gibberish, that the plaintiff proved that it could not be what Lindell had claimed it was, and was owed the promised payout.

FuglyDuck ,
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The lawyer probably did it on spec. He promised 5 mill to anyone who proved him wrong.

16 hours of work that gets paid by Lindell for a very-easy win? Absolutely.

GoofSchmoofer ,
@GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world avatar

one of the reasons the justice system favors the wealthy

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

My favorite part of this whole hilarious series of stories is that the guy who proved Lindell wrong was a Trump voter.

MrJameGumb ,
@MrJameGumb@lemmy.world avatar

You mean his best friend Donald Trump didn’t bail him out? 🙀

some_guy ,

This is sweet justice. Lindell had a bunch of nonsense data and this dude proved it easily. Oh, fuck, I just realized I’m pretty tired. Lemme go lay my head on NotHisPillow.

workerONE ,

Travelator ,

I’m just glad his commercials have disappeared from the crappy over the air TV stations I watch.

haunte ,

This guy has always been weird, like in all his public appearances he’s always frantic as fuck and makes no sense. But he could still be a pillow millionaire if he hadn’t joined the trump cult and just chilled out a bit. Does trump drive his supporters into a frenzy of mass confusion, or do only confused people join the trump cult? What came first, the the shit bird or the shit egg?

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

The frantic nonsense is mostly fueled by coke.

Kiernian ,

I don’t believe so.

As I understand it, he was an actually recovered addict, so it would be “fueled by the damage drugs had already done to his brain before he quit”.

And I think it was crack.

Not to defend the guy, but for a while there pre COVID, while I was doing some volunteer work, I heard from a connected volunteer that Mikey was donating cases upon cases of pillows to rehab locations in his home state, which, speaking as the bleeding heart liberal that I am who wishes we provided more for services like mental health and addiction, is pretty awesome.

A tax write off is possibly just a tax write off, but for a while, at least, it’s possible he might not have been totally reprehensible.

I mean, he also professed to be Christian and there was a stink about him not paying employees like four or five years ago too, so since the Bible has specific things to say about THAT behavior too, it’s pretty easy to draw conclusions but even people who behave like shit bags can perhaps sometimes be nuanced.

FlyingSquid ,
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The frantic part is because he’s the crackhead version of a dry drunk. I’m not being sarcastic about the crackhead thing. That’s part of his own supposed redemption story. If it’s even true and he’s stopped smoking the rock or snorting the nose candy. Maybe it’s adderall these days.

suction ,

Does someone know the details how he proved him wrong (in a nutshell…)?

awesome_lowlander ,

Lindell provided data that turned out to be totally irrelevant to his claims

mholiv ,

TLDR he provided a bunch of packet captures “proving” voting traffic was going to non American IPs. His captures where shown to have been faked because the packet checksums didn’t match, but only on the packets showing traffic going to non American IPs.

Deceptichum ,
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That seems like pretty technical and advanced forgery for someone of his inclination?

mholiv ,

I think someone sold it to him knowing he was too incompetent to have a second source check it.

militaryintelligence ,

I’m sure he had help from a comrade or 2

suction ,

Thanks!

demizerone ,

Imagine going from smoking crack, to making millions selling shitty pillows at Walmart, to losing it all for Donald Trump. What a loser.

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