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North Dakota voters will decide whether to abolish property taxes

North Dakota voters will decide this fall whether to eliminate property taxes in what would be a first for a state and a major change that officials initially estimate would require more than $1 billion every year in replacement revenue.

Secretary of State Michael Howe’s office said Friday that backers submitted more than enough signatures to qualify the constitutional initiative for the November general election. Voters rejected a similar measure in 2012.

Property taxes are the base funding for numerous local government services, including sewers, water, roads, jails, deputies, school building construction and teacher salaries — “pretty much the most basic of government,” said North Dakota Association of Counties Executive Director Aaron Birst.

ThrowawayPermanente ,

This is a terrible idea, property taxes are better than pretty much all of the alternatives

CptOblivius ,

Once the most socialist states in the country…how far we have fallen. It is a politically sad place now.

No_Eponym ,
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It is a politically sad bad place now

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loie ,

Huh, didn’t know that they still have a state run bank up there.

news.prairiepublic.org/…/socialism-in-north-dakot…

toiletobserver ,

Another red welfare state making it worse

cygnus ,
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They’re replacing it with Land Value Tax, right? Right?..

Rhaedas ,

Or sales tax, or something else. High taxation and misuse of taxes is bad, but taxes themselves support the infrastructure everyone uses. So if they get rid of this, something else is going to have to take its place unless the property tax was way too high.

Brkdncr ,

I thought we’ve seen what happens when you don’t have blended tax sources.

No_Eponym ,
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But surely, this time, it will work?!

Telodzrum ,

Big A Libertarian Walks into a Bear energy.

catloaf ,

Fun fact. That was in Grafton, NH. NH doesn’t have sales tax. Instead, there’s a correspondingly high property tax.

At least they get good value for it. The schools aren’t terrible, and the roads are better than the much wealthier state of MA right nearby.

AbidanYre ,

Does North Dakota have the same tourism industry that New Hampshire has?

TransplantedSconie ,

Lol. One of the “must see places” was the state capital. Which is a 21-floor art deco style sky-scraper.

Woop-dee doo.

What a weird-ass state.

loie ,

Definitely not. There’s Teddy Roosevelt National Park, which is gorgeous, but it doesn’t attract nearly as much tourism of all the stuff that’s four hours south…

South Dakota has Badlands National Park, Mount Rushmore, Crazy Horse, Wind Cave National Park, Jewel Cave National Monument, Minuteman Missile National Historic Site, Mammoth Site, Black Hills National Forest, Deadwood and Sturgis, a couple good private zoos in Reptile Gardens and Bear Country. All of that stuff is within a 1 hour drive of Rapid City, which has plenty of good hotels and restaurants and just generally what you’d expect from a modern midsize city. Rapid City is honestly worth the trip for anyone, but If you’re a real outdoorsy person then you could easily enjoy a month out there. Oh and then not that far away (relatively speaking - 2 hours drive) is Devil’s Tower in Wyoming.

So no… NoDak is comparatively sparse. And they probably like it that way.

No_Eponym ,
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Gonna get even more sparse when they eliminate running water and sewage service.

AbidanYre , (edited )

NoDak is comparatively sparse. And they probably like it that way.

And therein lies the problem. New Hampshire gets away with it because they have money coming in from people visiting the state (and the state owning the liquor stores).

loie ,

And they get some “bedroom community” money from people working in and around Boston that don’t want to live in Mass. Not an unreasonable commute down i93 or i95, especially if your job is in the north burbs.

Pretty sure none of that applies in North Dakota. Maybe there’s folks working in Fargo or Grand Forks that prefer Minnesota? But it’s not many.

FireTower ,
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For anyone interested

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a0a3fa18-ff50-4cc3-9223-8070d2848396.jpeg

For anyone wondering why “Liquor and Beer” doesn’t say tax at the end like tobacco, every liquor store in the state is run by the state.

www.nh.gov/…/where-the-money-comes-from/

Mk23simp ,

There definitely are better taxes than property taxes. But, since it’s a red state, they would probably replace it with a worse one. Or just debt.

NateNate60 ,

It’ll probably be replaced with sales tax increases. Sales taxes are very well-known to be regressive.

Or think of “low-tax” Texas, where every other road is privately operated and charges tolls out the ass.

LibertyLizard ,

Even ignoring privatized services, taxes in Texas are higher than California for the average person. It’s a total myth unless you belong to the upper class.

NateNate60 ,

Hence why “low tax” is between quotation marks

No_Eponym ,
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ramble81 ,

“Every other road…” serious [citation needed] there. I live in San Antonio (you know 6th, largest city, metro of 2.2m people) and there’s not a single toll road. Austin, Dallas and Houston have a few but it’s by far not every other road. You can get around on 10, 35, 45 and the corresponding ring roads just fine.

Also the property taxes here are quite high compared to a lot of other states, but as such there’s no state income tax.

Countess425 ,
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Lt. Gov Dan Patrick is on a crusade to end property taxes and replace them with…🤷‍♀️

reddig33 ,

I live in Austin and they’ve built a toll road bypass to the interstate, added toll lanes to loop 1, and now they’re adding them to 183.

treadful ,
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This would be great if it eliminated property tax for primary residences or something like that. Everything else is a handout to the wealthy.

TransplantedSconie ,

Lmao. Dumbasses.

dogsnest ,
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That’ll show them socialist fascist commie lefty groomers.

TransplantedSconie ,

“What do you mean we have no police,fire,schools,water,roads? What happened?”-- dumbasses who ended property tax at the urging of the wealthy

clearedtoland ,

Oh this is curious! Cause the solution would be for those services to be privatized. I wonder how many would pay for those services.

“No, Jimmy. You don’t need to go to skool. Now go change bale the hay.”

TransplantedSconie ,

Sure thing daddy-brother!!

gets mangled in the baler because he’s an idiot then dies because they closed down the firestation and first responders

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