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What the 3.2 Million-Year-Old Lucy Fossil Reveals About Nudity and Shame - Ms. Magazine

Popular renderings dress her in thick, reddish-brown fur, with her face, hands, feet and breasts peeking out of denser thickets.This hairy picture of Lucy, it turns out, might be wrong.Technological advancements in genetic analysis suggest that Lucy may have been naked, or at least much more thinly veiled.

ikidd ,
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Weirdest fap ever.

match ,
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I find it weird that nobody speculates that humans had rudimentary clothes when they lost their fur.

gedaliyah OP ,
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The article addresses exactly that

match ,
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Not quite? It cites a 2010 paper about genetic evidence in clothing lice suggesting that clothes originated ~100,000 years ago, but said paper was before recent discoveries suggesting multiple dispersals and so might need to be reevaluated

webghost0101 ,

Where updated picture?

feedum_sneedson ,

she cute

gedaliyah OP ,
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Pretzilla ,

Akschully, there are 160,000 "great"s missing from your list. Keep going please

FlyingSquid ,
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I don’t know if I’m really on board with the idea that a pre-genus homo hominid who existed before the concept of clothing existed teaches something about modern human clothing and shame.

There is a discussion to be had about shame and nudity, but it’s silly to go to Lucy as an example when there are living human beings in that part of the world right now who don’t seem to have much shame when it comes to nudity. I would think they would be better to use as a lesson.

gedaliyah OP ,
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Well, I think it’s more about examining cultural biases in our scientific literature.

FlyingSquid ,
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If that was what I was supposed to take from the story, they seriously buried the lede by putting that at the very end of the article.

kibiz0r ,

As a philosopher, I’m interested in how modern culture influences representations of the past. And the way Lucy has been depicted in newspapers, textbooks and museums may reveal more about us than it says about her.

FlyingSquid ,
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Those living people I was talking about have been depicted the same ways. They mostly show such people clothed because showing what they actually look like is too much. Even the link I gave, there is one photo where you can see a penis. Every other photo is taken in ways where penises are hidden.

We don’t need to go to a non-human to show examples of this when it’s done to humans who eschew clothing already.

kibiz0r ,

So you’d rather for them to have written a different article, with similar substance, but not [as thoroughly] related to their area of study?

FlyingSquid ,
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No, I’m just not really on board with this one. As I said.

I don’t care what articles Ms. Magazine decides to publish. It’s not my magazine.

confusedbytheBasics ,

Lucy is a good choice. How scientific renderings of a famous subject show off social shame bleeding into research is more approachable than doing the same thing with relatively obscure modern research subjects.

jaspersgroove , (edited )

For the shame aspect you need look no further than religion. Shame is just another in a long line of social constructs designed to allow people who don’t produce anything of value to survive off the labor of those who do.

We started wearing clothes as we evolved to have less hair and expanded across the planet into more varied climates. It’s that simple.

stoneparchment ,
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The whole point is that we still don’t know what Lucy actually looked like, and therefore whenever we depict her we are “filling in the blanks” with our own interpretations. In the past, we didn’t know whether she was likely to be covered in hair or not, but almost every depiction showed her covered.

The author of the article, who has a PhD and is the chair of a college’s interdisciplinary humanities department, makes the point that when we exclusively depicted her covered in hair when we didn’t know whether or not she was covered in hair, we were projecting our standards of modesty onto her. We also idealized her as a mother, as exemplifed by her depiction with protective and warm body language toward fictional children and male partners. These are aspects that various artists, researchers, and journalists projected onto a skeleton, not truths about Lucy as an individual.

When it was revealed that Lucy, in fact, was likely not covered in hair, and instead likely walked around naked and uncovered, we did not immediately revise these depictions. They disrupt the previously held projections and interfere with the narrative of Lucy as a “perfect mother” by modern standards-- not because she can’t be both naked and a good mother in an absolute sense, but because these are disparate and conflicting signifiers in our modern society. In essence, it’s harder to solidifiy her illustration as “the mother of all humans” to an audience of modern Westerners if she can’t be depicted with “chastity and modesty”, because we strongly associate those characteristics with good motherhood.

It is, therefore, a media analysis of the depictions of Lucy, it’s not about Lucy herself. It’s about how we project onto Lucy, and what that says about the people doing the projecting.

Of course, humans societies that are alive today are also valuable examples in the process of self reflection. But ignoring the observations made by the author and other researchers is like saying we don’t need to analyze media (books, movies, TV shows) that depict society, because real society is right there!

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