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notanaltaccount ,

Why is this shocking? Havana Syndrome is blatantly real.

Seems possible.

jeffw OP ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

Havana Syndrome is complicated and not well understood. It doesn’t happen randomly though. The best working theory was that it happened due to phones or other similar on-ear devices. It’s not space lasers or random shit like that

notanaltaccount ,

What is your proof that it’s not space lasers?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Hi. Jew here. We use our space lasers to start forest fires like Marjorie Taylor-Greene told you. Do keep up.

notanaltaccount ,

I’ve never listened to Marjorie Taylor-Greene.

Although I know there are racist conspiracy theories, it doesn’t mean all conspiracy theories are racist.

You have to get past the racism and flat-earthers to get to the REAL good conspiracy theories. Some of them end of being false, but some seem to be true. Either way they become more interesting.

Any Havanna Syndrome inflicted on Biden would likely be done by Russia and would be unrelated to Jewish people. Russia is the one with the most to gain from Biden losing, especially since the conspiracy theory is Trump is a Russian agent.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You do know that’s where the idea of space lasers comes from, right? She said Jews use them to start forest fires.

notanaltaccount ,

Sorry, I was being sarcastic and joking and didn’t realize the phrase was highly connected recently with a right-wing racist piece of trash. I try to ignore what she says because she’s such an idiot and so no, I didn’t get it.

CaptainSpaceman ,

Whats your source on the phones/ear pieces? Ive read its directed microwaves most likely

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55203844

jeffw OP ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

Man, I swear I heard it. Probably on NPR. I can’t find it per se but I did find that it could come from devices concealed inside standard electronics, so I think a phone would make sense.

Zaktor ,

This is what conspiracy theories are supposed be. Absurd insanity. Not “vaccines are bad for you” or “a secret agent with Q clearance wants patriots to overthrow democracy”.

Pheonixdown ,

I prefer the “Darth Jar Jar” and “The Bloop” levels of conspiracy theories.

SkyezOpen ,

Darth jar jar was absolutely meant to be canon and you can’t change my mind.

twoface ,

If you count the Lego Star Wars sets, it is canon now :D

SkyezOpen ,

Whaaaat?

twoface ,

There will be a short series on Disney+ and a few Lego sets where they basically flip the whole universe on its head. starwars.com/…/lego-star-wars-rebuild-the-galaxy

SkyezOpen ,

Oh so specifically alternate universe stuff. Worth a watch.

lost_faith ,

I so wish it would have been true. I didn’t mind Jar Jar as much as others, I’m old (original trilogy old) and think he was… adequate for comic relief and for the kids, but him being a bumbling Sith would be just perfect. I should look for some fan fic of this

SkyezOpen ,

The bumbling bit was the cover. Dude was definitely competent.

lost_faith ,

It was quite amazing that events always worked out for him

afraid_of_zombies ,

It didn’t really make sense to me that he would be right there when the Jedi landed. The Trade Federation has multiple landing locations, which we saw in the movie, how did Darth Jar Jar know which one had the two Jedi stowed away on? Also how did he know that they escaped or would escape? Plus why didn’t he just kill them on route to meeting Anakin?

Sterile_Technique ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

Bruh there’s actual supporting evidence for Darth Jar Jar. He doesn’t deserve to be lumped in with the crazy shit!

TexasDrunk ,

I miss Batboy and Elvis being spotted in their convertible UFO.

MindTraveller ,

Don’t forget Bigger Luke

parpol ,

“vaccines are bad for you” is extremely absurd and insane, tbf.

Zaktor ,

It’s vicious and anti-scientific, but it’s not in the same level of obviously untrue statement as good conspiracy theories. Things that were claimed to be safe turning out to not be safe is something that actually happens. They’re just lying that it’s true of vaccines.

MindTraveller ,

It gets absurd enough when you go back to the original claim

“My MMR vaccine is completely safe, but the other MMR vaccine gives your child an upset tummy, which causes autism”

Sc00ter ,

My favorite conspiracy theory is that Kelly Johnson was read into alien tech at area 51/roswell and he was allowed to reverse engineer it. That’s why he got government funding directly to him, and how he developed the sr71 blackbird so fucking quick

tehmics ,

The best conspiracy ever conceived was the one that convinced people that conspiracies are absurdist caricatures of the very real threat of collusion.

All these crazy conspiracies just weaken the perception of the mundane real ones.

If I was gonna conspire, the first step would be to trivialize the idea in the first place.

palordrolap ,

Case in point: A reality TV show called Big Brother, named after the nebulous, terrifying, all-powerful overseer in George Orwell's 1984, was created specifically to rob the name of its power.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It was originally a Dutch TV show by the hack who created Fear Factor and you are giving him way too much credit.

CaptainSpaceman ,

Its usually not the creators that do the obfuscation, its the people with money picking and choosing the “winners” of Hollywood. One of those factors is name

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Okay, but he named the show. So apparently he has secret, conspiratorial plans.

Or he’s just a hack.

Dragomus ,

Pleasantly surprised he is mentioned in that way.

I stood near him on “conventions” a few times with some years in between and he is such a nasty person both while making phone calls and in the way he treats others/his staff.

Comes over as someone who can’t find any joy in the small things in his life and p*sses on everyone else because of it.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That doesn’t shock me, but I doubt de Mol has any sort of secret conspiracy with the world powers going on.

JackbyDev ,

More like there being chemicals that actually fucked up frogs’ genitals but we only ever heard about it through the lens of Alex Jones and “turning the freaking frogs gay [sic]” youtu.be/i5uSbp0YDhc

VirtualOdour ,

Alex was just yelling about headlines he doesn’t understand, groundwater runoff affecting water tables is serious news covered a lot. It’s not fun so doesn’t make it to memes.

Alex supports Trump who cut a third of the EPA budget, Biden strengthened the EPA significantly. Things that actually matter get reported on but receive very few clicks, at some point we have to accept we’re responsible and make an effort to change.

JackbyDev , (edited )

Oh, please don’t mistake me as believing Alex Jones is some sort of bastion of truth. While I find it interesting there is truth behind the meme, it’s more upsetting that the manner in which people hear it is still coming from a place of misinformation and bigotry. (Bigotry as in having different genitals doesn’t make you homosexual, yet the claim is that it “turns frogs gay.” Which is why I tossed the sic tag on the quote.)

Freefall ,

Conspiracy theorists are useful idiots.

afraid_of_zombies ,

I was gonna conspire, the first step would be to trivialize the idea in the first place.

Not me. That sounds like way too much work. Spending a century or so running skeptic magazines/podcast/book publishers/blogs/whatyou just so i cam sneak my little thing in.

Be easier to just do it.

Cryophilia ,

Conspiraception

Telodzrum ,

This is why the Denver Airport will always be the best conspiracy.

anon_8675309 ,

Idiots can be on the left too.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Of course. GMOs and nuclear power

Luminocta ,

“I don’t understand nuclear power, therefore it is bad”

afraid_of_zombies ,

Also they had sex symbol Jane Fonda.

What is with the anti-reason luddites and being so good at getting porn stars on their side? Jenny McCarthy is another as well as PETAs small cohort of nude exhibitionist girls.

Maybe the next pandemic WHO should hire a few to do a “vaccines are sexy” promotion. Is that it? The only way to convince people to not die a preventable death is have someone with big tits give them the answer?

Fuzzy_Red_Panda ,

Some of us aren’t against GMOs for being genetically modified, we’re against patents on food.

spidermanchild ,

Some of us also are against massive overuse of glyphosate.

Liz ,

If I could fucking ban pesticides and antibiotics for agricultural use I absolutely would.

Cryophilia ,

You’d probably kill millions of people unless you gradually overhauled the farming industry

Liz ,

Well, yes, but also if I actually had the power to make that change I would do it gradually through a market system for exactly that reason. One can dream, though.

chaogomu ,

One small change, Market systems are prone to market failures. They’re also rather inefficient, because there needs to be inefficiencies or else there’s no profit.

No, the best path to reducing pesticides and the over reliance on fertilizer is regulatory, with people on the ground checking compliance. Our food supply is too important to be left to the inefficiencies and corruption of “market solutions”

Cryophilia ,

You need to have a role for the market. Central planning is a demonstrably bad idea.

But a heavily regulated market is the sweet spot.

chaogomu ,

The sweet spot is in actually testing for, and enforcing regulations. Fund that part properly, and you’re most of the way there. It should also not need to be said that the testing and enforcement cannot be outsourced to some corporation, and cannot be self reported.

Sightline ,

Oh no better keep poisoning everyone then!

afraid_of_zombies ,

All two of you must enjoy hanging out together.

Fuzzy_Red_Panda ,

Join us!

afraid_of_zombies ,

I’m busy I have to fly to the UK and throw paint on Stonehedge so I can raise awareness about a different pet issue next week.

SomethingBurger ,

I’m also against patents on food but this is a bad argument. GMOs are artificial and can reasonably be patented under the same rules as any other technology.

Patents in general must be abolished.

Sightline ,

Ok moron. GMOs were created by the same company that created Agent Orange. Go on and tell us why GMOs exist, I want to hear you say it.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Starting with the personal attack. Very convincing.

Sightline ,

Notice how I included actual information along with my message and attacked the subject matter directly instead trying to dissolve the conversation into nothingness.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Notice

I noticed your comment got removed by the mods because you engaged in a personal attack.

Shrug. I thought we attacked ideas here not people. You know, unlike the luddite crowd does.

Sightline ,

Haha your comment was removed

Haha your comment was removed

This means I don’t have to defend my made up implications now, haha!

That’s your 4th comment that doesn’t address what I said.

Curious.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Go ahead and tell people what you said

Sightline ,

6th comment where you REFUSE to explain why you’re shitting on people who don’t like GMOs.

afraid_of_zombies ,

You can make it 60th or 600th. I am under zero obligation to be nice to someone who came charging in insulting me.

Sightline , (edited )

You sure do hate defending your own words.

“I just want you to address the insult”

No you don’t. I’ve done this before, multiple times. You are extremely predictable. You won’t defend what you said because you can’t defend what you said. You want to spread disinfo with impunity.

What’s happening now is I’m making you repeatably demonstrate to everyone that I’m right.

7th comment.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Repeat the comment the mods removed.

Sightline ,

9th comment.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Repeat what you said

Sightline ,

lemmy.world/modlog/1347

Anyone can view the comment there.

11th refusal.

afraid_of_zombies ,

You mean the comment where you called me a “moron”?

afraid_of_zombies ,

Admit that you personally attacked me which is why your comment was removed.

Sightline ,

GMOs come from the same company that created Agent Orange.

rbesfe ,

Which ones? There are lots of GMOs out there and they don’t all come from the same company

Sightline ,

All of the ones meant to have pesticides poured on them.

afraid_of_zombies ,

This guy here asking for facts from the anti-GMO position. Such high hopes for the human race! I remember being young and optimistic.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Hey, buddy what happened to your original comment? Since you clearly respect the truth so very much why don’t you tell the world what you said to me before? I thought it was quite insightful and a good representation of the anti-GMO position. In fact your comments about my intelligence were perhaps the single best, nay the best, arguments against GMOs I have ever seen.

Sightline ,

Since you clearly respect the truth so very much why don’t you tell the world what you said to me before?

…so you want me to make the same comment again so it’s immediately removed?

afraid_of_zombies ,

No I want you to admit that your entire argument was a personal attack instead of facts, just like your movement.

Sightline ,

I’m not admitting to something that I never said. 5th comment of diversion.

afraid_of_zombies ,

So you are claiming that you never insulted me, yes or no?

Sightline ,

Oh I insulted you.

8th comment.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Yeps. Repeat what you said

Sightline ,

lemmy.world/modlog/1347

Anyone can view the comment there.

10th refusal.

afraid_of_zombies ,

The comment where you called me a moron? Is that the comment you are referring to?

cecinestpasunbot , (edited )

Biden supporters aren’t really left wing though. The left is barely a thing in the US.

suction ,

Define le left™

SomethingBurger ,

Does Biden even have supporters? Or just Trump haters? Who is actually enthusiastic for a second Biden term, rather than a not-Trump term?

vaultdweller013 ,

Im kinda excited about his cabinet continuing but yeah. Biden could be replaced by one of those novelty singing fish and id be somewhat neutral to it still.

TropicalDingdong ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/619913c1-dc42-40cc-822e-8a7adb23d9f8.png

Cryophilia ,

If I could, I’d give him mine. He’s way more important than me.

TropicalDingdong ,

Lol.

You know he’s not going to be the next president or even the nominee right?

Cryophilia ,

When he becomes the nominee, what will you do?

TropicalDingdong ,

I don’t need to worry about that, but I have standing wagers with several people here on lemmy and elsewhere that Biden both:

a) wont be the nominee,

and

b) wont be the next president.

So I’d have to pay up? But I’m not worried about that in the slightest at this point (I got a bit excited after his ‘decent’ state of the Union back in March that he might flip on Gaza, but no, he dug his grave further).

Too many other seats are on the line to run Biden.

I took several bets where I was able to get anything from 10:1 or 20:1 in a parlay for a) and b) back in April. I’m confident enough now to do even money if there is no time line associated with it (other than obvious ones like the convention). All in all I probably have about a couple hundred on the line right now? Its all on these two outcomes.

I’ll take 10:1 that Biden isn’t the nominee at the end of this week if you are willing to offer it, and even money that he isn’t the nominee (no timeline) or president. I’m also interested in parlays if you have any you want to propose.

Cryophilia ,

I was meaning in the sense of would you vote for him? Would you support him?

TropicalDingdong ,

He has to be capable of winning to be worth supporting.

In the past 500 days, at no point had Biden demonstrated any evidence that he can win the election. He didn’t campaign as a two term president in 2020, he specifically acknowledged he would only do one term. His polling has been abysmal, almost all of his term, when we know that he already suffers from a 12 point polling deficit on Trump (Biden needs to be beating Trump by 12 to beat him, statistically). His key policies are deeply, the ones that will define him as president, specifically Gaza and the border, are deeply unpopular with the key demographics he needs to win, specifically middle eastern voters in the upper Midwest and any one under 40.

So this all is, and always has been, on Biden, to do better on. He’s not a candidate that you can support with these outstanding issues because he can’t win an election with them. Supporting him inspire of those issues does nothing to change the fact that he can’t win. Infact, the blue maga blind support (orange man worse, blue no matter who, etc…) has significantly harmed our ability to beat Trump because it prevented any pressure being placed on Biden to become a better candidate.

Some one needing to earn your vote in a primary season is bigger than just getting your issues addressed. It’s about carving a candidate into someone popular enough to win an election. That’s how Biden won in 2020. He had to go caress and finesse various voting blocks into supporting him by becoming a candidate and having a platform they could get behind. And it worked. He won that election by stepping left and effectively cloning the entire progressive/ Bernie platform.

Pretending this guy can win is idiotic and doesn’t work. If for whatever reason we still end up with Biden as candidate, we’re going to lose this election. And it’s going to be because of the blue no matter who/ Blue maga crowd if we do lose. It’s an intentional ignorance they’ve maintained about how electoralism and elections work in an effort to shield an unelectable candidate from criticism, and lemmy.world, the news and politics C’s and their associated mods, are particularly rife with it. If we run Biden inspire of his obvious shortcoming which are frankly insurmountable at this point, I put three blame solely in those who made a concerted effort to lie/disguise/ and prevent discussion about his shortcomings as a candidate.

Cryophilia ,

Blah blah blah, answer the question please. You talk like a politician. Would you support him?

TropicalDingdong ,

Oh I didn’t realize you were just jerking off. I apologize for answering you in good faith.

Cryophilia ,

Refusing to answer the question is not good faith.

Would you support him?

TropicalDingdong ,

You can engage with any of the points I made to show your honesty at any point.

But you won’t.

Cryophilia ,

Stop changing the subject. Answer the question. Will you support him?

TropicalDingdong ,

“Demand me nothing; what you know, you know. From this time forth I never will speak word”

-Lago, Othello (5.2. 347-348)

Cryophilia ,

That is the most elegant way to say “I got nothing” I’ve ever heard

Ensign_Crab ,

“It was his stutter.”

“He had a cold.”

“He overprepared and got flustered.”

“A malicious actor used an Inator on him.”

I wonder what the next excuse is gonna be.

Tire ,

Having a cold is perfectly normal.

Ensign_Crab ,

Claiming to have beaten Medicare isn’t a cold symptom.

Randelung ,

A coldinator! And after the president the whole tri-state area!

TokenBoomer ,

I understood this reference.

Fuzzy_Red_Panda ,

“He’s old.”

He actually said on camera that the reason he is running this time is because Trump is running, meaning that if Trump wasn’t running, Biden wouldn’t be running, meaning he doesn’t even really want the job.

The DNC put up a guy that doesn’t even want to be president again, and now 40% of democrat voters want a new nominee because apparently they weren’t paying attention for the last 4 years and only realized now, during the debate, that Joe Biden is dealing with cognitive decline.

Ensign_Crab ,

I think the debate made it undeniable for a lot of people.

Maggoty ,

No we realized years ago. It’s the entire reason his campaign started the idea that he’d be a single term president. People brought it up after the midterms when he confirmed he’d run again. It’s been in the news and an open question ever since then. According to insiders, the debate was held early specifically to show he wasn’t too old.

Biden and the Party have been aggressively going after critics, accusing them of being Trump supporters and disloyal to the very concept of democracy. Which would have worked if he didn’t shit the bed so badly.

Corkyskog ,

The DNC basically dragged him out of retirement in 2020 because establishment couldn’t handle anyone scary like Bernie or someone young.

TheReturnOfPEB ,

so your idea is that people close to Biden are making a conspiracy theory as cover. So your conspiracy theory is that there is a conspiracy spreading conspiracy theories ?

My dude look inside your own house. The conspiracies are coming from inside your own home.

Ensign_Crab ,

And my prediction came true. There’s already a new excuse. They’re blaming jet lag. When the last time he traveled was 2 weeks before the debate.

TheObviousSolution ,

When people are, they notice.

Biden was exhausted and prepared to follow a debate training regimen that just left him confused. He’s a senior, not an athlete you can train up spryly, he was accustomed to debate in one way and told and exhausted into debating in a way he was not used to.

Sam_Bass ,

Fantasy is like rocknroll. It will never die nor reinvent itself

FiniteBanjo ,

Wouldn’t Directed Energy Weapons make him burn and itch so bad he’d jump around?

We have those, we’ve used them in real combat, but they don’t work like that.

Liz ,

Depends on the weapon.

FiniteBanjo ,

I asked a question and I’m legitimately curious, got some sources?

Liz ,

I wrote a whole thing, but honestly Wikipedia does a pretty good job on this one.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon?wpro…

FiniteBanjo ,

Got it, so what I said stands uncontested. Beam weapons do not work that way.

Liz ,

Oh, sorry, yeah, I thought you were just asking about how those things with in general, not whether such a weapon could make someone confused. Yeah we don’t have anything that works that way.

Snowclone ,

In My experience energy weapons turn the victim into a toothpaste like glowing blue puddle.

FiniteBanjo ,

Your fallout experience also tells you lasers have recoil, so I wouldn’t place any value in that.

roguetrick ,

Well, technically they do. Just they have about as much recoil as your flashlight does.

FiniteBanjo ,

Yeah all the mass of the photons being propelled out has a real kick. /sarcasm

No offence to you, at all, but the fact that your comment is a 3:1 ratio makes me sad for the future of humanity.

roguetrick ,

Oh I’m just a general asshole and some folks realize it enough to downvote me. Pay it no mind.

evranch ,

Sure lasers don’t have recoil, but I see no reason a laser gun can’t have recoil.

Anything from flywheel energy storage, a lasing medium compressed by pistons, massive magnetic fields created by high currents, who knows what’s inside that thing.

A handheld laser gun has to generate a beam of such unrealistic intensity that I’d be surprised if the power stage didn’t buck in some manner.

hakunawazo ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/eb1edc04-023a-46d7-b538-86c9a5cefc66.gif

Socsa , (edited )

And yet this is still many orders of magnitude more sane than thinking Donald Trump is fit to be president.

remotelove ,

I don’t buy it in this particular case, but “directed energy” can do some funky things: youtu.be/J-SH18dtBlY?si=40dOJbu4O9ZWWCsZ

(No, it’s not a conspiracy theory video or any of that crap. Benn Jordan is a musician that likes all kinds of funky sound things.)

bitlummo ,

That’s exactly what I thought of when I saw this. Not saying it’s what happened but remembered this video

Rottcodd ,

If we’re going to go all conspiratorial, here’s my theory:

Both campaigns are dealing with old men with diminished faculties.

There’s some drug cocktail(s) that both campaigns have been using to pep the doddering old farts up for public appearances.

If you’ll remember, very shortly before the debate, the accusation that “Biden’s on drugs” made the rounds, and Trump made some noises about demanding a drug test.

For some reason - possibly fear, possibly determination in the face of a challenge, possibly a subtle communication that the Trump campaign had some hard evidence they would, if pushed, release publicly - that led to the Biden team withholding his customary drug cocktail.

Trump, meanwhile, was dosed to the eyeballs.

And that was the contrast we saw - Trump was on drugs, while Biden, for whatever reason, for that night alone, was not.

Remember - for the Republicans broadly and especially for Trump, every accusation is a confession.

OopsAllTwix ,

That’s what probably happened.

CptEnder ,

I mean yeah Trump’s WH had a pharmacy handing out free drugs like fuckin Pablo Escobar.

givesomefucks ,

And Obama hired that Doc while Biden was VP…

He wasn’t an upstanding doctor up till Trump took office, then suddenly Pablo Escobar

JackbyDev ,

every accusation is a confession.

This is all I could think of when Trump said Democrats would use every avenue both legal and illegal to overturn election results.

Rottcodd ,

I sincerely think it’s broadly accurate - that, for the Republicans and especially for Trump, (most) every accusation is a confession.

There’s a simple psychological element to it, most often illustrated by moralists who rail against perversion of one form or another, only to be revealed to be perverts.

There’s another aspect to it though, and I think this is more often the case with Trump specifically - it’s a way to proactively undermine someone else’s accusation against you. If you can get your accusation out there first, then they end up sounding sort of like a child saying, “I know you are but what am I?”

Cryophilia ,

Or reactively. See the effort to impeach Biden lol

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

This is your occasional reminder that the conspiracy nutballs can be on the left sometimes too.

Stupidmanager ,

Dating has taught me this. I’m not sure I like this version of the multiverse.

Freefall ,

They are not left or right. They are just people that strictly believe everything that has been disproven or is too stupid to bother disproving, as long as ANY thread of correlation can be made up between it and observable reality.

Feathercrown ,

To be fair that correlates with being right wing for some reason

Freefall ,

The disconnect from reality combined with being prone to belief without proof.

Moneo ,

Watch Dan Olsen’s video on flat earthers. I’m having a hard time remembering details but the conspiracy theories are more of a symptom than anything. These people are looking for a community as well as an explanation for why the world is so fucked up, and why they are miserable. Anti-semitism and conspiracy theories are more satisfying than anything the left can provide.

ChihuahuaOfDoom ,

Yep, absolutely. It couldn’t possibly be that he’s an octogenarian with a known speech impediment, had to be directed energy weapons.

givesomefucks ,

known speech impediment

He had a childhood speech impediment. Overcoming those requires a concentrated effort, which we become less able to handle as we age.

Here’s Biden in 2008

youtu.be/eOombKZSsj4?si=hYe3kh-wkM2iemtY&t=1424

Here he is in 1987

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRxOldhJ7Sw

In a way what’s happening now is a speech impediment, but it’s re-emerging as he loses ability in the same parts of the brain that handle critical thinking due to the normal effects of aging.

I’m just tired of so many people writing this stuff off. Like, it took 2 minutes to find those videos and show he hasn’t always been like this. He just couldn’t win until the only other option was trump. Even tho he was a much better candidate back then.

Quick edit:

Ironically something like the Havana weapon would actually cause this shit, it’s incredibly unlikely someone used it on Biden for the debate…

But it’s fucking 2024 y’all, who knows what’s real anymore I guess.

Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Also, allegedly had a cold and probably got flustered after the first time he tripped on his words. And inexplicably kept trying to recite various metrics from memory.

corroded ,

People really underestimate how bad a cold can be. When I’m sick, it’s so hard to function mentally that I can barely do my job.

I believe he was sick, and I believe this was just a case of unfortunate timing. What matters in politics is perception, though, and the perception isn’t good.

TraipsersWill ,

I’ll float the possibility that he took a slug of Nyquil™ before the debate, but forgot to chase it with a Red Bull™.

JackbyDev ,

Didn’t he have a stutter when younger?

Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

He’s always had it. But it was probably easier to manage it when he was younger.

Gakomi ,

Hmm not sure if that’s a bad thing, don’t get me wrong I’m all pro choice but those pills have a lot of cancer side effects. Frankly I think you should go to the doctor and do it there then use pills that can give you cancer or make you sterile, then again that’s my opinion.

UnfortunateShort ,

Sure, let’s go with that.

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