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bradorsomething ,

Marketing to racists is so american now

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

A handful of people with a whole lot of money are setting national policies. And those people no longer consider climate change a problem, so now you’re not allowed to consider it a problem either.

Can’t wait for this year’s hurricane season!

ameancow ,

Racism is so America right now always.

backpackn ,

“We no longer support inclusivity and science.”

Bluefalcon OP ,

Not the company you want giving you advice on chemical usage.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

“Anti-DEI” is the first step down the road back to “no coloreds.”

Bluefalcon OP ,

Shit, they probably have the sign for sale now.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

There’s always room for colored workers at the back of the bus or the front of the chain gang. Segregation has been a tool for dividing and conquering the working class, by shoving a minority of the population down and telling everyone else they’re next if they resist.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Very true, but what I’m saying it’s a chain where it goes from ‘diverse employees are bad’ to ‘white employees in front, black employees in the stockroom’ to ‘white customers get to use the front door, black customers go to the loading dock’ to ‘white customers only.’ And that is the end goal.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

it’s a chain

There are more than a few spots in my home state of Texas that are functionally “Whites Only” already. Go in there as a poc and you won’t get served. You might not even be allowed through the front door. “Kung Fu Saloon” down in Houston (most diverse city in the country!) has had reputation for not letting brown people in for years.

The DEI shit is about inflaming the white nationalists who think even their little pockets of outright segregation aren’t enough. We’re approaching the idea that any place which isn’t “whites only” is somehow stealing something from a white person.

machinin ,

Tesla already had a place called the plantation where the minority workers were sent to work.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

There was an article about that (and a lot more about Tesla) in The Nation. It had my blood boiling.

ameancow ,

it never went away, it was just removed from sight.

But the people who segregated water fountains and chose where people should live based on their skin color? They’re still alive and kickin’ and making laws and business policies and decisions that impact us all. They have learned how to change their language but they have the same exact values that they did decades ago, or the same attitudes and values that their parents did. They have learned to hide in plain sight while also making sure that we remain divided and afraid and deeply obsessed with the superficial appearances of society.

America is funny, we tend to forget anything beyond about a 5-year window when events are still current, otherwise a lot of people here think that women and people of color have had rights here for like, a century or more. To the average liberal American, the idea that there are full-on, hateful nazis living next door to them seems radically unthinkable, and this is why they’re getting so comfortable taking off their hoods.

TheDemonBuer ,
@TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

Did take companies long to stop pretending like they care.

I think they care, I just think they care more about maximum profits. A lot of people believe that maximizing profits and meeting our climate goals are not incompatible goals. Personally, I’m skeptical, to say the least. Regardless of my skepticism, however, the world’s leaders, many of the world’s experts, and most people have decided we should proceed as though the two goals are not mutually exclusive. I guess only time will tell if they’re right or not.

BombOmOm ,
@BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

Dropping DEI makes sense. Just hire the best person for the job, regardless of skin color.

Kraven_the_Hunter , (edited )

Tell me you don’t know anything about DEI without… oh ffs I don’t even have energy for this this morning, and you could honestly learn a lot just using Google. We both know you have no interest in learning even the tiniest bit though.

BombOmOm ,
@BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

Company after company have made statements they will have x% of certain positions filled by people of specific races. You don’t achieve that without taking race into consideration when choosing people to work there.

Olhonestjim , (edited )

No. What they’re being told is to hire all races in proportion to their population in the country. White people are not better at doing anything than other races.

Taking race into consideration acknowledges the struggles which have been imposed onto people of other races by the dominant race that has always held most power in American society. Acknowledging that other races have the right to exist equally is NOT racism. Refusing to treat them equally absolutely is. The only reason society has to push these policies is because white people in power cannot be trusted to treat others equally, as you keep demonstrating.

cadekat ,

White people are not better at doing anything than other races.

I think this is doing a disservice to one of the goals of DEI. White people are more qualified for certain types of jobs because historically they’ve had better access to education and healthcare. Even if access has become more equal lately, there are still other barriers that take longer to remove (eg. being the first person in the family to go to university, not having wealthy parents, etc.)

DEI can counterbalance this.

Olhonestjim ,

That has nothing to do with racial attributes though, just with racist systems. This distinction is important, and intentionally ignored by people who whine about diversity, equality, and inclusion.

cadekat ,

Of course. I just think it’s important to mention that there are societal reasons why there is a higher percentage compared to the general population of qualified whites applying for a job.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Just hire the best person for the job, regardless of skin color.

Good thing there’s absolutely no evidence of racism when it comes to hiring people, am I right?

nationalfund.org/racial-bias-in-hiring-practices-…

But do tell me you think a resume by a woman named LaShonda has a chance of being taken as seriously by a white HR manager than a resume by a woman named Mary often enough for this to not be a problem.

BombOmOm ,
@BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

Good thing there’s absolutely no evidence of racism when it comes to hiring people

“1 in 6 Hiring Managers Have Been Told to Stop Hiring White Men”

“48% have been asked to prioritize diversity over qualifications”

-Source

I have now shown you evidence of racism when it comes to hiring people. I would appreciate if you would not make such a statement in the future.

Olhonestjim ,

What you call racism is actually society pushing back against racism. We would all appreciate it if you stopped supporting bigotry now and forever.

BombOmOm ,
@BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

Telling one to stop hiring individuals based on their race isn’t pushing back against racism, it’s just racism.

Olhonestjim ,

No, it’s exactly, precisely, not racism.

andyburke ,
@andyburke@fedia.io avatar

You just won't concede that racism exists, and has existed in this country since its founding, will you?

I mean, that's the crux of the argument.

Either our country's education system failed you terribly and you're just incapable of continued learning, or you know fhe history and don't care.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Your source is resumebuilder.com

Be serious.

Also, their methodology is shit and they don’t give anyone credit for writing that. And you just accept it uncritically.

dactylotheca , (edited )
@dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

You didn’t “show evidence” you utter fucking cabbage – you just went conclusion shopping on Google to find the first fucking piece of unsourced “trust me bro” garbage that you thought would support your opinion.

ZILtoid1991 ,

The worst thing that actually happens is if they happen to meet with two applicants with the same exact skill level, they will hire the one from the more diverse background.

Also if a bigot happens to be e.g. a “10x developer” (does not truly exist), I wouldn’t want them anywhere near my company.

dogslayeggs ,

What you and most other anti-DEI people fail to realize is there inherent value in having people on the team from different backgrounds with different views and ways of finding solutions. The best person for the job is not necessarily the person who has the most training or experience in an area. Outside the box thinking often leads to better outcomes, so there is value in having people who think about/see the world in different ways.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

Did take companies long to stop pretending like they care.

Of course they care, they care about what their customers think because that's where their money comes from. This is just how corporations work, and it would have the opposite outcome if their customer base wanted those goals of theirs.

If you want corporations to change then convince them that they'll make more money that way, by whatever means. Through customer preferences, regulations, etc. Don't expect a corporation to "do what's right because it's right," any more than you should expect a shark to "do what's right." It's not designed that way.

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

this is a nice thought, but ignores the fact that most of these 'customers' are being guided by propaganda from other corporations.

its not like those customers are naturally coming to 'i want to destroy my own planet' conclusions. they are led around by a ring in their nose just like the animals they feed.

brbposting ,

‘i want to destroy my own planet’ conclusions

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/8578b83a-90a3-458a-b589-bc841fc9ad76.jpeg

Amazing, isn’t it?

I know the carbon credit industry is highly problematic, but simply reducing emissions?

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

It's not meant to be a good thought or a bad one, just a description of how things work. If you want the customers of this company to change their mind then you'll need to direct your own arguments and/or "propaganda" (as it will likely be perceived by some) at those customers and outdo what they're being fed by opposing groups.

jorp ,

It’s too bad corporations evolved in nature and there’s no way to get rid of them

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

If one needs to modify corporate behaviour I did mention regulations as one way to do it.

lone_faerie ,

Their actual customers were giving them a lot of love for being supportive, especially during pride month. Then the alt-right crybabies caught wind and started throwing a tantrum and they instantly folded.

Today ,

I appreciate companies openly sharing their ‘values’ so i know where not to spend my $$.

BubbleMonkey ,

I’m legitimately upset about this one. It’s one of the first “company does something bullshit” that’s actually been actionable for me… and the first that was something I’d done a lot of work to find the “best place” for.

I get compressed wood pellets (sold for horse bedding or pellet stove fuel) there to use as very cheap compostable cat litter, 40lbs is $6, and if you have a good system one bag will fill 4 cat boxes about 4-6 times, so really cost effective and environmentally friendly. It’s like feline pine but not ridiculous expensive.

Next best option is almost twice the price… which is still ok, but man it still hurts…

JJROKCZ ,

Do you have a rural king near you? Similar store but rural king also has free popcorn at the entrance!

BubbleMonkey ,

I’ve never heard of it, looks like the closest one is like 5 hours from me :(

But thanks for the option all the same!

bradorsomething ,

Is coastal nearby?

BubbleMonkey ,

Doesn’t look like it, but thanks for the suggestion! :)

Bytemeister ,

Those pellets are the only reason I go there…

Well, those, and the chicks in the spring. I just wanna snuggle them all!

BubbleMonkey ,

Honestly same on both counts.

Freefall ,

How did THEY fall for the outrage of people claiming they won’t buy any more tractors from TSco? Am pretty sure THEY know they don’t sell tractors and those teets are from liars… I guess the sniveling cowards know their base and pander, as usual.

kautau ,

It’s a publicly traded company. Investors hate risk, especially short term risk, no matter how unlikely. The board answers to investors. It’s a byproduct of “growth every quarter, above all else,” AKA late stage hypercapitalism

ImADifferentBird ,
@ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Which just means we need to make it harder on companies to placate these loud pieces of shit.

Bluefalcon OP ,

Shit, i had my money on Hobby Lobby, Tractor supply said “hold my beer!”

DmMacniel ,
@DmMacniel@feddit.org avatar

Fuck the right wing. They think they follow those agendas of hate for a good cause, but all they do is destroy the good in all of us.

ZILtoid1991 ,

Some altogether stopped caring about the good cause, instead for them, cruelty is the only reason why they’re carrying on.

Bluefalcon OP ,

All praise the golden fat calf.

https://discuss.tchncs.de/pictrs/image/e87cf11d-9330-4fc4-a820-cf339ebba155.png

fox5ny.com/…/gold-colored-trump-statue-at-cpac-wa…

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