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BigMacHole ,

The ONLY way to this could have been Prevented was if the Officer SHOT the gunman First before he could KILL anyone! And the only way the Officer could have known there was a Crazy Murderous Gunman afoot was if he simply SHOT everyone in the store! Therefore Police should be able to Murder people without cause.

lennybird ,
@lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

Minority Report: Special EDition.

zabadoh ,

Or maybe reduce gun ownership in the US, so that it’s less likely that people falling into despair attempt suicide by cop?

VelvetStorm ,

What’s really fucked up is I couldn’t tell this was sarcastic until the end.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

One law enforcement officer was among those wounded, Arkansas State Police said.

Maybe if enough of their heroic boys in blue that they salute with their special flag are wounded, we’ll start being able to talk about guns like adults.

VelvetStorm ,

Or politicians. And let me be clear to the mods and admins I am not advocating for this I am simply stating a fact.

Smeagol666 ,

I used to be anti-gun, until I found out that Canadians own guns at the same rate as TEXANS. We Americans are losing our fucking minds. We’re kept at each other’s throats to distract us from the fact that the 1% are fucking us all over.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

We didn’t use to … until the NRA and America’s 2nd Amendment defenders started pushing across our border. Source

https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/e6f503e0-520d-4740-b072-f0f729f21b00.jpeg

https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/4d80c737-168d-47d3-a16b-b6d53482dbe8.jpeg

RememberTheApollo_ , (edited )

Look at the regs surrounding gun ownership in Canada.

Not the same animal at all.

Plenty of countries allow guns, but the rules for their use and ownership are far more restrictive than the relative free for all we have in the US.

Tire ,

I don’t understand. Are you assuming every person in California is a Democrat and every person in Texas is a Republican? Those are the most populous states in the country. You are looking at a huge chunk of the country, of course they both have tons of guns. Every state has tons of guns.

Allonzee ,

Tots and Pears.

some_guy ,

“What gun problem are you talking about? I only see a freedom problem, and that’s the best type of problem to have!”

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

that man gave a lot of bullets their freedom that day.

blazera ,
@blazera@lemmy.world avatar

We banning guns yet? Alright see yall next mass shooting

dogsnest ,
@dogsnest@lemmy.world avatar

Where were all the good people with guns ensuring that peace would erupt instead?

lennybird ,
@lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

Well you see the proliferation of firearms always benefits the violent criminal over the heroic defender. Always. It’s a losing race.

Even back to the Wild West, places like Tombstone and Dodge City would come to implement gun control laws because, surprise, being mutually armed doesn’t help when the other guy has both the element of surprise and willingness to fire first.

dogsnest ,
@dogsnest@lemmy.world avatar

But if it fails in real life, try, try again!

InternetUser2012 ,

Not risking their lives to help you. They’re in it for themselves because they’re scared. They’re afraid of brown people because they’re told to be. They’re puppets to the propaganda and get their info from fox “news”

corsicanguppy ,

On average, the rate of a vigilante saving the day is one in 7,000. There’s no record of the number of shootings caused by bad vigilantes, though, so we don’t know if that 1:7000 is a net-positive.

dogsnest ,
@dogsnest@lemmy.world avatar

Great stat.

The same folk are gonna win the lotto, tho’!

Pistcow , (edited )

Over thier dead bodies!

bobzilla ,

And over there. And a couple more over there. And one there too.

corsicanguppy ,

over there. And a couple more over there. And one there too.

‘Summer’ bodies.

Malfeasant ,

Where wolf?

shalafi , (edited )

No, we’re not banning guns because that requires a Constitutional amendment, not going to happen. We couldn’t pass an amendment making 06/21 Chocolate Chip Cookie Day.

But to those of you with this facile “BAN” argument, I have a couple of questions. Why wasn’t this shit happening when I was a kid? EDIT: By “this shit”, I meant mass shootings.

You could order whatever the hell you liked from the Sears catalog. LOL, I have a pump shotgun that was sold in Western Auto stores. You could ride around with long guns mounted in your truck window. And yes, you could get an AR-15 in the 70s.

Only way I’ve seen laws become more permissive is regarding conceal carry. (I can argue both for and against this.) On every other front, more restrictions.

So what’s up? Not an easy question, I know. It would take a shelf full of books. We don’t know what happened here, but does it really matter to attack this issue case-by-case? It’s happening. It didn’t used to happen.

I’ll say it 100 times more, America doesn’t have a gun problem, America has a culture problem.

dogsnest ,
@dogsnest@lemmy.world avatar

Guns are the culture problem.

Drusas ,

No. They are a big part of the culture's problems. Let's not pretend other problems, like widespread spiteful hate, aren't part of that same culture.

sunzu ,

a culture problem.

aka our gun "culture" is pathetic. it seems people don't realize there are other countries that have a culture of guns and they don't have as much issues.

Why wasn't this shit happening when I was a kid?

I think mass media made terrorist acts more appealing. However this appears to be just normal american degeneracy enabled by idiots with guns.

shalafi ,

We are agreed! I stick to liberal or unbiased gun content, and that’s not hard to do. But I’m well aware of all the macho, kill 'em all, Punisher logo type bullshit out there.

Maybe that’s partly what I’m getting at? Just seems like guns were a tool when I was a kid. Nothing to puff one’s chest about.

As to mass media, yeah, shit really seems to have gone off the rails after Columbine. Maybe that’s my age and life experience talking, but I don’t remember much of anything before that.

Sure, there was Charles Whitman unloading from the Austin clock tower, but that was news precisely because it was so unheard of.

TokenBoomer ,

2 killed, 8 wounded in mass culturalization outside Arkansas grocery store

Fixed the headline for ya.

blazera ,
@blazera@lemmy.world avatar

Why wasn’t this shit happening when I was a kid?

It was. Gun homicides were even worse when you were a kid

Drusas ,

I think this is about where it's important to remind people that the 24-hour news cycle is a relatively recent phenomenon. Many of us grew up in an era where the news played for an hour a couple times per day. One can hardly understate the impact this had on "the news".

To keep it short and on-topic:
The news used to almost exclusively feature big news stories because there wasn't time to cover everything. Local news would have smaller, local interest stories. Individual crimes mostly made the news when they were especially noteworthy.
Now, news stations need to find anything to fill an entire day. This is how we went from journalists reporting on big stories to commentators "reporting" on every little thing ad nauseum.
This has led gun crimes to receive a lot more national attention than they would have previously.

Sir_Kevin ,
@Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

That’s a good point. Perhaps we were just ignorant to how bad everything was back then. I honestly don’t know.

shalafi ,

Got some backing on that? What I really meant to address was mass shootings, but I’d look at evidence either way.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

every stat in every city. this is one of those “so common it doesn’t need citations”

However, that is just “gun violence”. Mass shootings specifically - those I believe have been on a dramatic increase.

As in before, lots of individual murders. Now, lots of mass murders.

blazera ,
@blazera@lemmy.world avatar

pewresearch.org/…/ft_23-04-20_gundeathsupdate_3-p…

Sir_Kevin ,
@Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I guess you’re being downvoted by young people that can’t relate. Back in the day it was big news if there was a shooting, and it generally only involved 2 people. People did indeed drive around with rifles on full display. Yet few people were ever shot. Maybe in Detroit or Chicago etc but for the vast majority of the country it was unheard of. Times have changed. Mental health has declined. Everybody is depressed, frustrated, overworked and underpaid. I think such things can lead to violence. People are straight up losing their shit in this country.

corsicanguppy ,

America doesn’t have a gun problem, America has a culture problem.

Oh, I’d say both.

sunzu ,

We have social issues... remove guns tomorrow, the people are still the same.

Many other countries have proper gun cultures. Why can't US do the same?

dogsnest ,
@dogsnest@lemmy.world avatar

If you remove guns, the incidences of “stern glares” and “finger wagging” skyrocket, resulting in increases in hurt feelings and carpal tunnel.

blazera ,
@blazera@lemmy.world avatar

remove guns tomorrow, the people are still the same.

Oh theres one big difference, they are far less lethal.

Many other countries have proper gun cultures.

Compared to the US, no other country on earth has a gun culture. Most people in most countries do not have guns, and most countries have much stricter gun control than the US.

Drusas ,

Compared to the US, no other country on earth has a gun culture.

[citation needed]

Immediately, certain Middle Eastern countries where people celebrate by firing guns into the air come to mind.

blazera ,
@blazera@lemmy.world avatar

Third world countries are the closest to our gun culture, but even then the guns per capita are like a third of the US. Shit man, i could tell you we have more guns than people, at 120 guns for every 100 people. But no one else is close to hitting 100, god no country is even anywhere near 60, fully half of the gun proliferation in the US.

For the rest of the world, 30 guns per 100 people is a staggering amount of guns, and most developed countries are far below that.

sunzu ,

You are poorly educated and citing generic stats with out understanding what you were just told.

Cool Americans will over buy guns, true. We are talking here peoples conduct with weapons.

Countries that have hostile neighbors or OG territorial approach, thinks swiss or Sweden, ave a gun culture and it is focused around defense and sport.

Not pro, I am sure there are others.

Gun ownership is not uniquely american, excess crime related to guns is tho.

Ps. it is likely possible to link it avaliability as a factor. However, banning guns won't solve underlying social issues.

Dragomus ,

There is also Finland, which has around 34 guns per 100 inhabitants, amongst the highest of the western world. It has a cun culture of defense (against its untrustworthy Russian neighbor), hunting and sports. But there is strict registration and regulation. Though they can buy just about any type of gun, there is no open carry “for funsies”. Carrying/transporting the guns requires an immediate purpose and must be held, unloaded, in a case or pouch. (I am not Finnish so correct me if I am wrong)

I have a bit of a feeling it’s in the US a thing of “He has a gun, so I want a gun” that reinforces itself, and after a while gets people careless since it’s a fairly common thing.

In the UK there was a study where forbidding handheld guns, mainly pistols, did see a sharp decline in gun related crime but they did not banish it completely.

I don’t know the numbers but in the US it seems pistols make it easier to act upon one’s mental state … have a tiff with your neighbor? Go to his door with a gun on your belt. A car just cut you off? Explode in rage, pull up next to him/her on a traffic light and swing your pistol around, try doing that with a non automatic hunting rifle.

blazera ,
@blazera@lemmy.world avatar

We are talking here peoples conduct with weapons.

Mostly their conduct is not having one

corsicanguppy ,

You are poorly educated and citing generic stats with out understanding what you were just told.

This is a way to win people over.

Cool Americans will over buy guns, true. We are talking here peoples conduct with weapons.

Goal posts moved while-u-wait.

Longpork3 ,

Stupid people treating guns like toys is a product of the abundance of guns, not the cause.

If you placed those same people in a place where guns aren’t freely available I dohbt they would seek out guns for the sake of firing them off at a wedding.

Drusas ,

That's not really commenting on my point, which is that these places also have gun cultures. The US is not unique in that.

Longpork3 ,

I haven’t spent any time in the Middle East, so please forgive my armchair analysis if you are more versed in the culture, but it seems like they have a legitimate need for guns, given how unstable the region is, rather than seeking guns out because of a deification like the US.

corsicanguppy ,

deification

This is almost a more fitting description than ‘fetish’ or ‘idolatry’.

Aux ,

One of the reasons is because Americans buy cheap guns for peasants while in places like the UK people buy expensive works of art like Holland & Holland rifles.

corsicanguppy ,

proper gun cultures

This is absurd. CAN there be a culture around “I dream of all the things I can kill with this” ?

As former infantry, ‘gun culture’ sounds as fleeting as ‘dynamite culture.’

Dud ,
@Dud@lemmy.world avatar

Alright see ya Tuesday man.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

I can’t wait that long!

SkyezOpen ,

Probably won’t have to.

corsicanguppy ,

Yeah. It can happen as often as every three hours.

corsicanguppy , (edited )

You may have to wait 'til Tuesday* for the next TV-publicized mass shooting, but it wasn’t twelve hours before the next actual mass-shooting event occured:

  • 1 death and 7 surviving victims of a shooter on 2523 W Broadway, Louisville KY USA 40211, with no arrest shown

Note that the mass shooting in Arkansas is almost a Mass Killing, as a 3rd victim has now died.

In general, there are on average more than one mass shooting every day in America, and often a high number in a day. On the 15th of June, barely a week ago, there were SIX mass shootings - Cincinatti, Southfield MI, Rochester MI, Detroit, RoundRock, Tuskegee - and 4 of the 51 total victims died. SIX MASS SHOOTINGS reported by newsmedia IN A DAY, but the record I think is 8.

Anyway, I just came to say you may not need to wait four days for the next one, that 4 hours is usually plenty. 'Murica.

*Voices carry.

spyd3r ,
@spyd3r@sh.itjust.works avatar

Not giving up my rights because criminals break the law.

blazera ,
@blazera@lemmy.world avatar

The right to kill people is pretty nonsense

GiddyGap ,

Many of these criminals used to be a “good guy with a gun” until, one day, it snapped.

There’s a reason why the US stands out of gun violence, and it’s the easy access to weapons.

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