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Snowpix ,
@Snowpix@lemmy.ca avatar

Do you really think they would do that? Just go on their entertainment show and tell lies?

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

They made it up.

Of course they made it up, it’s Fox News, what do you expect?

redempt ,

ngl season genders would go hard. autumngender? wintergender? 👀👀👀

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Its like nobody at FOX News has ever heard of a horoscope.

ILikeBoobies ,

I’m an autumn

Oh wait people have been saying that since forever

jeffw OP ,

What a slippery slope though!!! Next up people with identify with astrological signs!!!

Fedizen ,

fox news lying? https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e58e3475-c6b0-47cf-a250-933133ede968.png

ToAllPointsWest ,

This is going to be really awkward when they run into all the girls named Summer and Autumn

MakePorkGreatAgain ,

winter is coming…

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Summer and Autumn get used as girl’s names ~1,200 per million and ~2,000 per million per year since the 1970s or so. “Fall” is only about 3 per million, “Winter” takes off with Game of Thrones TV show around 2011 leading to 600 per million, but was in use since the 70s to the tune of about 70-100 per mil.

(source: babycenter, but I’m not linking that ad-riddled excuse for a website)

Parents have been identifying their kids as seasons for decades.

Zorsith ,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

groan I can already hear the bad sex jokes about “Winter is Coming”

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Lol, keep it cleaner. Imagine during labor, instead of “the baby is coming…”

Zorsith ,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Thank you for that, my brain strives ever for the gutter haha

AngryCommieKender ,

Welcome to my gutter. It is clearly marked, I’ve been here for decades. Hiking rules apply. “If you pack it in, pack it out.”

Zorsith ,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The important part is to make sure you’re Packin’ pelvic thrust

AngryCommieKender ,

Oh, mine will drive you in-sa- ^a- ^^a- ^^^a- ^^a- ane*.

jj4211 ,

Gets to go through life with people announcing their imminent arrival at any event they are going to.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t forget all the kids named after months.

January Jones was a famous actress for a minute. November Kelly is a popular podcaster. April, May, and June are all common girl’s names.

Parents have been identifying their kids as seasons for decades.

Try millennia. You can find people named after months and seasons going back to antiquity. Hell, many of the months/seasons themselves were originally the names of ancient mythological gods and heroes.

vaultdweller013 ,

Also Julius and Augustus, give to two of the most important Romans to name months after themselves.

AngryCommieKender ,

Spring isn’t used as a name, I guess?

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Ah, missed that one. Thanks for pointing that out.

Looks like ~20 per mil for most every decade except a jump from the late ‘60s to late ‘70s peaking at about 180 per mil. Perhaps a byproduct of the flower power/ hippy movement in the ‘60s?

starman2112 ,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Unrelated, but your comment just showed me how to make subscript on lemmy

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Really? I didn’t use any…

jj4211 ,

It was just that impressive.

starman2112 ,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

My app sees the tildes behind 1200 and 2000 as markdown. It renders differently on the website (and probably other apps)

You see ~ this, ~ while I see this

RememberTheApollo_ ,

TIL how to (unintentionally) subscript.

ColeSloth ,

I mean, I just met a kid yesterday who was named Winter…

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

Ew gross that kid is woke and we should end them.

ColeSloth ,

Wait…is he woke, or was it his parents who are woke?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Oh my god, so what if they were? Why do they care? Let people be who they want to be. If you tell me, “I’m not a woman, I’m an autumn,” I might think that’s silly, but if that’s what you want me to call you, fine. It doesn’t hurt anyone, it doesn’t exploit anyone, there’s no harm in it at all.

SoleInvictus ,

I’d love to know if anyone who actually cares about this feels similarly about horoscopes or Meyers-Briggs assessments, two other completely fabricated ways of classifying people.

My Trumper father used to complain about things like choosing your gender being made up. It’s all made up, dad! We literally make everything up, just some dipshits gatekeep what make believe is acceptable or not.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I just hate that regular old common courtesy is not considered the baseline anymore.

SoleInvictus ,

Was it ever really common, though? I grew up in a pretty conservative state and the only people who received common courtesy are those who were in the in group, specifically white, heterosexual, social norm abiding Christians. I happened to either not be one of those or questionable as to which I belonged, so I wasn’t the recipient of common courtesy until I moved somewhere more progressive.

theherk ,

Why categorize anything at all or even have adjectives? The point is that we categorize things for the sake of clarity. I’m or course not mad about miscategorization, but it can have an impact on understanding. Something isn’t true just by saying it.

The case of gender identity isn’t a matter of letting them be what they want to be; it is letting them be what the are.

Of course nothing is really happening here, but even if it were, it would be fine to complain about people identifying as something absurd. Those people are usually mocking gender non-conformity so fuck that.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

If people misunderstand how you identify yourself, it’s not hard to correct them. If they keep doing it intentionally, they’re being malicious.

It’s funny that you ask “why categorize anything at all or even have adjectives” over people putting themselves in a certain category. I don’t understand the question.

theherk ,

You asked why do they care? I’m saying, if it were true, people might care because categorization depends on some degree of truth. So it is reasonable to care if people are categorizing truthfully. Conflating flippant categorization and actual identity I don’t think is helpful.

Again, this case is bullshit, but it smacks of the “attack helicopter” garbage where the implication is that trans individuals are just claiming to be something they aren’t, which isn’t true. And when somebody says “who cares if somebody identifies as a park bench” or similar, it doesn’t help. We care because one situation isn’t the truth, and the other is an honest telling of one’s identity.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

categorization depends on some degree of truth

Since when? People categorize themselves in ways that aren’t true all the time. Like people insisting they aren’t fat when they are.

theherk ,

I am concerned I’m getting wrapped into a discussion not in good faith, but this can’t be a serious question. If your friend tells you to come over. “It’s the blue 2 story house on the corner. Come on in.” But they really live in the brownstone next door… do you see the value of speaking the truth to one another?

Upon entering a hospital to see a loved one with very little time remaining you recall the text from your brother said “you need to talk to the tall doctor with brown spiky hair. I can’t recall his name.”

Can it be harmless, like me claiming to be slim and handsome? Yeah, but that doesn’t change that it would be better, in my view, to be candid and clear.

And also I’ll add, not to imply that claiming one is a season is somehow on equal footing as somebody correctly identifying their own gender.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

But if someone really believes that they identify as autumn, don’t they think they are being candid and clear? Who are you to say they aren’t?

theherk ,

Then they are mistaken, and I am a caring companion letting them know they should reevaluate their assessment and maybe see somebody. It really undercuts the message of the trans community to imply that identify ones gender is the same as stating something categorically false.

Self identity doesn’t make truth, it only asserts it.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

This sounds very similar to claims that trans people are mistaken. Why do you get to be the arbiter of that?

theherk ,

Absolutely taking the opposite of my meaning. It seems to me you are saying a claim of one’s gender and a claim of one being a season are the same? Please state yes or no if you believe that to be true. If yes, I believe this is the scummy position with which I take issue. If no, then you have simply missed the precise point I’m making. That they aren’t the same. For one is a statement of the fact of one’s gender, and the other a false statement.

That is why somebody should care if somebody were to state, even if in earnest that they are a season or helicopter or similar. Because in the best case they are mistaken and in the worst case making a mockery of gender identity which I fear, though am not certain, you are doing here.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’m saying it’s not up to me to say what someone else identifies as and it’s common courtesy to address people the way they want to be addressed.

theherk ,

Periodically a conversation ends with my confidence that I agree with a person but a difference in perspective makes that unclear.

riodoro1 ,

Why the fuck would people even have a problem with that? The lead poisoned generation which believes in jesus the crucified zombie telling everyone that THEY have a mental illness. I just wish conservatives would disappear.

Zefjor ,

Come now, let’s say it how it really is: Jesus is very clearly a lich!

Burn_The_Right ,

Uumnnggghhhh!!! Drink my blood!!!

Zorsith ,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I have a favorite song about undead jesus

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNxgYot0S6Q

MonkderDritte ,

Gone out of bullshit to create class warfare?

BestBouclettes ,

Nope, still is. Class infighting prevents class consciousness from taking place

PoliticalAgitator ,

Neoliberals can’t help but demand constant growth, even in class warfare.

elvith ,

'Tis the season to be jolly
Fa la la la la fa la la la
Don’t they know bear the gay apparel appearance
Faaa Fa la la la la la
Tilt the all time right wing audience
Fa la la fa la la la laaaaaaa!

jeffw OP ,

“Don’t they know the gay apparel” is a hilarious misheard lyric

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Probably stumbled on a makeup tutorial and got confused hearing someone being called an “Autumn” or “Winter” and ran with it.

ArugulaZ ,

I hate how Fux News describes Greg Gutfeld as the leader in late night. I mean, there are probably enough psychos out there watching that network to drive up those numbers, but Gutfeld is the same shit Fox News gives you in the daytime, with a light coating of late night talk show trappings.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I hate more how they describe him as a comedian.

Smirking while you say something offensive or outrageous isn’t comedy, it’s just being an asshole.

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