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anticurrent , (edited )

They have joined the military or private military companies since. they can kill as much as they like with complete impunity, in many wars like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Ukraine, Palestine and Gaza, plus it’s brown people they are killing so they feel triple the reword, society is fine with that as long as it who they view as the enemy who’s the subject of their carnal instincts.

You can’t convince me that the image of the horrors committed by the IDF in Gaza and the US military aren’t of psychopaths having a blast paid for by their own societies.

FluorideMind ,

I mean. War and soldiers of fortune existed in the 80s so I don’t think that’s exactly why.

captainlezbian ,

Yeah back in the day they could always fight for fucking Rhodesia if they just wanted to kill brown people in war

FluorideMind ,

Be a man among men.

galoisghost ,
@galoisghost@aussie.zone avatar

Interestingly the start of the decline is 1988 which also happens to be the year the seminal Stewart Raffill film Mac and Me was released. Coincidence? I wonder.

Huckledebuck ,

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/340a028f-5f33-4bb0-a9a2-62552c279ba8.jpeg

grrgyle ,

mfw

III ,

In the book Freakonomics they made the argument that the sudden decline in crime in the late 90’s appeared to be tied to Roe v. Wade. I wonder if this is similar.

mightyfoolish ,

I thought you were being sarcastic but there is a book called Freakonomics and it does suggest as you said. Check the “Criticism” section for details.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freakonomics

seth ,

It’s the same quality of scholarship as a Malcolm Gladwell book - namely, none. On the one hand it’s a shame these kinds of books are bestsellers, but I guess it’s good that people are reading books at all. Most of the people I know stopped reading in their mid-20s except for poorly written “news” articles online that can be completed in a couple minutes or less.

mightyfoolish ,

Maybe most written content is written in jest and we just missed the memo? One can dream.

captainlezbian ,

Weird most people I know read fiction for fun.

sleepmode ,

A large percentage of serial killers suffered from childhood abuse and trauma. Kids in the foster system are often abused and traumatized. I can see it.

ammonium ,

Seems to have been debunked: economist.com/…/why-freakonomics-failed-to-transf…

Later researchers found a coding error and pointed out that Mr Levitt had used the total number of arrests, which depends on the size of a population, and not the arrest rate, which does not. Others pointed out that the fall in homicide started among women. No-fault divorce, rather than legalised abortion, may have played a bigger role.

RagingRobot ,

But podcasts about them have rapidly increased

BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

Yes and I think it’s ridiculous. Like that podcast My Favourite Murder? That’s just insulting to the victims who died terrified and alone, IMO. Might as well have a podcast called My Favourite Rape if they’re going to treat human misery as a spectator sport.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Fads always make a return eventually… 😌

LeroyJenkins ,

bro how are you everywhere? why can’t I escape you??

taanegl ,

Western society was unclear of whether or not making them executives was a good idea to begin with.

eldoom ,

No… Actually they switched to killing homeless and drug addicts and the police don’t actually investigate them.

girlfreddy ,
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… and Indigenous and Black women, who just run away for no reason so aren’t really missing.

mightyfoolish ,

But they were existing, menacingly! 😨

Shelbyeileen ,
@Shelbyeileen@lemmy.world avatar

I do research and writing for a crime docuseries, and the amount of times sex workers go missing and cops/news don’t care until there’s multiple bodies or a more well known disappearance occurs, is DISGUSTING.

The Poughkeepsie Killer was killing sex workers in broad daylight and was keeping their corpses in his hoarder house attic. The families of Wendy Meyers and Gina Barone went to the press and were told that the cases “weren’t the kind the public cared about”.

Police had the suspect but didn’t pursue the case until 5 women went missing. Why do their lives matter less just because they do a different kind of physical labor for work? Each was someone’s daughter.

eldoom ,

This is the truth.

Cops don’t do anything about it around here because they see it as some kind of Dexter situation, it “reduces their workload,” and whatnot.

Way back in my homeless/drug addict days I was chilling with this bigger time cartel dealer guy. Everyone knew that he was definitely a serial killer but his target was always heroin addict girls and I am neither of those. We’re driving around and cops just swarm us. After some questions, they ended up giving him back his gun (he’s a felon) and telling him that their agreement was that he is not to ever leave the more ghetto area of town. They then openly gang stalked us until we went back to that area.

I’m fairly certain that police commonly know exactly who the serial killers are in their area and I think they often times have agreements with them.

girlfreddy ,
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Canadian cops from Vancouver ignored Robert Pickton’s serial killing for over 20 years 'cause he targeted prostitutes from the DTES (downtown east side). He fed their bodies to his pigs and finally confessed to 49, convicted of 6 murders.

Toronto cops ignored outcries from the LGBTQI+ community for almost 7 years because Bruce McArthur’s victims were almost all immigrants. The landscaper was finally convicted of 8 murders, hiding the body pieces in large planters on his client’s properties.

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

They’re endangered, let’s set up a go fund me.

sjkhgsi ,
@sjkhgsi@lemmy.world avatar

Sounds to me like there’s a serial serial killer killer on the loose!!

andrew_bidlaw ,

I always thought his fascination with blood on the scene was obscenelly erotical and creepy, but his department thought he’s just quirky.

ebits21 ,
@ebits21@lemmy.ca avatar

🤔

knobbysideup ,
@knobbysideup@sh.itjust.works avatar

They get their media attention for mass shootings now.

KingJalopy ,

Maybe they just got better?

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Right? Are there fewer serial killers, or fewer serial killers getting caught?

numberfour002 ,

Not me! Back in the 1980s I had killed 0 people. Now in 2024, I’ve killed pretty much the same number. No decline at all!

KingJalopy ,

Way to stay true to yourself. Never stop grinding!

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

pretty much the same

That’s a lot of wiggle room there, homie.

troglodytis ,

Once can never be sure

Minotaur ,

I think the lead poisoning theory is a bit overblown, personally. There’s something to it, but “all the serial killers were just brain damaged” is I think trying to put a very neat little bow around a complex package.

I think a lot of it is simply that it’s harder to get away with murder now. I mean not to make it sound too easy but in 1982 there were a lot of ways to kill someone that basically could not be tracked back to you as long as you weren’t literally seen doing it. People aren’t stupid, they know this, and they change their patterns around it.

Additionally, I’m sure that (potentially as a result of this) we have more spree/mass killings now, and a decent deal of spree killings have a component of sexual frustration to them as many serial killers had.

shalafi ,

That’s a pretty solid take.

norbert ,
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I've heard this theory as well and it makes a lot of sense. Forensics has improved to the point where evidence is always left behind. If someone is caught after their 2nd murder they don't spend the next decade escalating, amassing bodies in their crawlspaces.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

I figure it’s mostly the electronics angle. Your phone, if you have it with you it’s really obvious if you travel to the area crimes happen. Heck, even not using your phone or other connected electronics can indicate something. Your car seen on surveillance cameras which are everywhere, from private home’s doorbells to commercial cameras to municipal roadway cameras. Your internet search history of maybe the victim or the location. Automatic toll payments. You’d have to live an almost completely disconnected life and take serious measures to avoid detection, and even then it’s not a sure thing.

Minotaur ,

Yep. The Moscow Murders seem to be a good example of this. College student seemingly took a lot of precaution to stab 4 people to death in their rental home, left almost nothing behind, turned his cell phone off during the crime - but he’s still dinged because earlier records show him basically scoping out the house in days prior based off his cell phone location.

I should say it’s not yet stated in a court of law whether this student actually did the killings, and courts do get those decisions wrong - but even still it’s a good example of how technology can track you essentially all the time

conditional_soup ,

Agreed. There was a would-be serial killer that popped up in Stockton a year or two ago. Dude would just pop up and shoot someone from out of the shadows. He made it to victim number four before a camera caught him and the cops caught up to him. In 1980, this dude would have been a national fucking terror, but he barely made the local news in 2023.

SaintWacko ,

No need to anymore! Now you can just buy an AR at the corner store and get all your killing done at the same time! No need to waste all that time choosing targets, and then stalking them, learning their habits. In today’s fast paced society, no one has time for that!

some_guy ,

Combination of factors back then: highways were new, brain damaged from leaded gasoline, shit comms between agencies, shit tech for tracking people. No wonder it’s down.

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