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A Vermont mom called police to talk to her son about stealing. He ended up handcuffed and sedated

What happened next that evening in May 2021 is the basis for a lawsuit by the mother alleging that Burlington police used excessive force and discriminated against her unarmed son, who is Black and has behavioral and intellectual disabilities.

After he failed to hand over the last of the stolen e-cigarettes, two officers physically forced him to do so, then Cathy Austrian’s son was handcuffed and pinned to the ground as he screamed and struggled, according to a civil lawsuit filed Tuesday and police body-camera video shared with The Associated Press by the American Civil Liberties Union of Vermont.

The teen eventually was injected with a ketamine, a sedative, then taken to a hospital, according to the lawsuit and video.

BombOmOm ,
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I’m not sure what you expected. You told the police about a crime, do you not expect them to arrest the criminal?

Alto ,
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It takes a special mix of thin blue line bootlicking and thinking the world revolves around you to think this was a good idea.

white_shotgun Bot ,

Boot licking? Nah… More like boot deepthroating

FuglyDuck ,
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Kinda hard to deepthroat tiny dicks,

otp ,

Do they not treat children and adults differently in the legal system where you come from?

This wasn’t a murder or any other violent crime. It was petty theft from a business committed by a minor.

queermunist ,
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Yeah, if he was an adult they might have killed him instead.

teegus ,

If a cop in my country injected ketamine into a minor during an arrest it would be in the national news for weeks. Totally unacceptable.

the_postminimalist ,

I didn’t expect them to inject ketamine into a child

Th4tGuyII ,
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For a petty theft committed by a mentally disabled minor?

The situation was non-violent and under control - the cops escalated far beyond what was needed because they got bored waiting for the kid to fork over the last couple of e-cigarettes. There was no need to pin the kid to the ground, and definitely no need to inject them with ketamine.

In a world where all cops weren't bastards, they would have continued to build a rapport until they could convince the kid to give them back, give the kid a lecture about stealing, then let everyone be on their way.

VaultBoyNewVegas ,

It’s like some people don’t understand what community policing or policing by consent is. Cops shouldn’t be resorting to force unless they really have to and someone not handing over an e cig in no way warrants being tackled or restrained plus with neurodivergent people that only makes them more agitated which then obviously makes the situation worse.

It’s not fucking rocket science that different situations call for different responses and some situations only really need a fucking talking or conversation.

Th4tGuyII ,
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Exactly. In a sane world, cops shouldn't ever be the ones escalating any situation, especially one where there is no on-going threat

BreakDecks ,

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M0oP0o ,
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doctorcrimson ,

I feel the struggle, my little brother has been in and out of prison for years. He just has to be cool for a while, catch rides to work and the store, and he could pay off his fines and go back to normal life, but it always gets out of hand.

Cops have no mercy in their soul.

Pacmanlives ,

Mom fucked around and found out! Reminds me of this story youtu.be/OvPJGW1yqkw?si=BJwfD1bCykog2wrQ

snausagesinablanket ,
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What a

white_shotgun Bot ,

Acac

Deceptichum ,
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Just stick to the B, it weakens the message when you mix it up mate.

Socsa ,

All cunts are cops

LarmyOfLone ,

I’m 100% on board that this was unnecessary, but how should police handle something like this? It’s a 230 pound 14 year old hormonal teenager that turned sullen and refused to comply.

Presumably the smart way would be to say “Ok your behavior is not ok but I’ll leave you be for now until you cool down.” and then just leave. I mean if you want to press charges you can come back any time. I don’t quite understand why in the US everyone is arrested instead of getting “a summons” (?).

I’d also say that nicotine is often used for self medication by people with mental issues, including ADHD. Smoking is more prevalent. Vaping provides a much safer alternative. Not condoning 14 year olds vaping but it could explain why he wants them.

snek ,
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I’m 100% on board that this was unnecessary, but how should police handle something like this? It’s a 230 pound 14 year old hormonal teenager that turned sullen and refused to comply.

USING WORDS.

LarmyOfLone ,

I don’t think so. My guess is that sometimes the only way to deescalate is to leave someone alone. That’s what you’d have to teach police. But presumably only a qualified mental health professional can answer that question.

treefrog ,

Mental health student with his own emotional issues and that raised two small kids .

Yes, often the way to desecalate is to take space. It’s anger management 101. If someone is not able to recognize they need space, the one able to should call for a time out (this is how time outs should be used by parents, not as punishment).

Police are trained to exert authority. It’s not de-escalation training generally.

Which is why mental health professionals should accompany police in situations like this.

LarmyOfLone ,

Thanks. Hmm, maybe police officers have mental health issues that prevent them from retreating and asserting their “authoritae”. Maybe no amount of training or accompanying will help with that.

treefrog ,

Police are trained to ‘keep the peace’ in a lot of situations. Like, in a bad traffic accident, the cops are there to direct traffic while the EMTs and Firefighters take the lead.

We just need to teach them to do the same with mental health workers and make that the standard for anything that’s not a criminal complaint. They already do this with stuff like CPS calls in a lot of jurisdictions.

But yeah, a lot of cops are drawn to the job because they love power and authority. And it will take decades of restructuring of US policing to change that cultural tendency.

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