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The return-to-office wars are over

Just 6 out of 158 U.S. CEOs said they’ll prioritize bringing workers back to the office full-time in 2024, according to a new survey released by the Conference Board.

Why it matters: Executives are increasingly resigned to a world where employees don’t come in every day, as hybrid work arrangements — mixing work from home and in-office — become the norm for knowledge workers.

Zoom in: “Maintain hybrid work,” was cited as a priority by 27% of the U.S. CEOs who responded to the survey, conducted in October and November.

  • A separate survey of chief financial officers by Deloitte, conducted in November, found that 65% of CFOs expect their company to offer a hybrid arrangement this year.

State of play: “Remote work appears likely to be the most persistent economic legacy of the pandemic,” write Goldman Sachs economists in a recent note.

  • About 20%-25% of workers in the U.S. work from home at least part of the week, according to data Goldman cites.
  • That’s below a peak of 47% during the pandemic but well above its prior average of around 3%.
Mac ,

I wish i had the privilege of working from home. Maybe one day.

Omegamanthethird ,
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To put this another way.

If your employee is capable of working from home, and an employee has to be home, would you rather them work or take the day off?

Saying full time in office sounds nice. But employers are going to choose to have a working associate over a non-working associate.

Denalduh ,

Where I work, everything can be done remotely. We use cloud based software for everything and teams for company meetings. We’re still required to come into the office. If you can’t make it in for that day, you need to use PTO. We cannot choose to take the day unpaid either. I do not have the option to work while home.

ristoril_zip ,

I’m sure there were sneaky C suite jerks who tried to use return to office to filter out some headcount, but I’m not sure it would actually be wise from a practical standpoint.

If office workers can get their work done at home, there almost certainly also doing extra work, 15 more minutes here, 30 more minutes there, because they’re already at home. Spending a few more minutes isn’t going to get them stuck in worse traffic. It’s not going to mean their 7 year old is home alone. They won’t be late for dinner.

The only people who lose in a remote work paradigm are the people who spent their time wandering around “working” by dropping in on their direct reports. Surprise, it turns out we don’t actually need that!

Snapz ,

Ended, the return to office wars have…

stoly ,

lol nice

heavy ,

I’m pretty convinced that RTO was another way to do layoffs without severance or “bad” press. What I would like to see now are more job roles finding freedom in working times. I think many jobs have strict scheduling for a reason, but I suspect more jobs don’t require you to be physically present all the time to get it done.

vrek ,

I don’t know about that. I work a office job and often deal with people from all over the world. Getting everyone online at the same time for a meeting or phone call is really difficult.

Yes I can send emails but sending an email and not getting a response till next morning really eats into timelines.

We can have video meetings and phone calls and share screens so I fully understand WFH and support it. That said having no requirements for work time I think would be really bad.

heavy ,

I didn’t mean to intend not to set up good working times with your teams. Scheduling will always be a challenge but that’s something that leadership should give teams the freedom to decide what works best for them. Especially on global teams, some people would like to rotate, some would rather work on evenings for them, etc… That’s for the members to figure out. What I mean is for roles like say Social workers who do need to make in person visits, get more freedom in their working hours and not having to spend their time at a desk where there’s no real value.

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

laughs in factory worker

not_that_guy05 ,

Just take the work home. Lazy people I swear. /s

RainfallSonata ,

cries in public service worker

vomitaur ,

sobs in retail worker

Shyfer ,

Stilll helps factory workers have better commutes. Everyone who wants to work from home should be able to, because it helps the people who want to go in or have to.

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

I hope, as commuting becomes mostly a thing only for people who can’t work from home, the people who do work from home start moving out of the housing near those jobs so people who have to be on the floor can move in.

Just imagine, small town America might be saved!

guyrocket ,
@guyrocket@kbin.social avatar

It is inherently unfair, but not all work can be done remotely.

OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe ,

Yeah I like to bring up when talking about WFH, there should be a pay bump for required on-site workers. If that means physical laboring jobs get a yearly % increase or whatever that I don’t get, no skin off my back, and then it’s harder to pit worker against worker

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

I haven’t been to my desk in over two years. I heard they turned it into a shrine to my spiritual presence.

I’m not kidding.

DigitalNirvana ,

As it should be. Om Shri u/Gradually_Adjusting

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

I grant protection against commutes.

JackbyDev ,

Please sir, bless my job search that I may find remote work.

TGQP ,

Can we have photographs of said shrine? Always wanted me a nice shrine.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t have one to share. I’ve been remote so long that we’ve actually moved to a new unit since I was last in the door. I don’t even know where my desk fucking is lmaoo

MagicShel ,

I worked for a company over two years and never set foot in the door. And they contracted me out to other companies that I also never set foot in. Then I got laid off and now work… for a company I’ve never been to, subcontracted to another company I’ve never been to for a government agency I’ve never set foot in.

I haven’t seen a coworkers face in person since 2020. I almost did once when I was working from a rental in Orlando while my family had a month long vacation at the same time my boss was there for his kid’s baseball tournament, but we didn’t wind up meeting up.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod , (edited )
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I haven't even had a desk in ten years, and I haven't met 90% of the people I work with.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

I just got a job that's with a company based in another province. I have no desk, I have not met anyone from the company in-person, and I may well never meet anyone from it in-person.

sentient_loom ,
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I’d rather be homeless than work in an office. I’m remote all the way!

ABCDE ,

I’d rather just not work if I had to go back in.

guyrocket ,
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I would think once we get past the commercial property owners bitching about losing their shirts that the actual business owners would realize that the savings from renting much less office space would drive work from home. It is massively expensive to maintain office space for people.

Nougat ,

The commercial property owners and the business owners are the same people.

Mrkawfee ,

Somehow they manage to bitch about RTO while saving a fortune downsizing on office space.

Th4tGuyII ,
@Th4tGuyII@kbin.social avatar

Unless I can take my blood samples home with me, it appears I'll be left behind in that trend

JackbyDev ,

Can they not fax you the blood?

Th4tGuyII ,
@Th4tGuyII@kbin.social avatar

I know right, but apparently it's "too unsanitary" and "nobody wants blood all over their documents". Honestly, what has this world come to

oDDmON ,

We were doomed, by the nature of our business, to return to F2F, but it doesn’t help when upper management is compromised of rabid traditionalists.

At least we carved out one day a week to WFH.

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