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TheOneWithTheHair , in Bodycam: Pregnant woman accused of shoplifting shot by police
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  • Ilovethebomb ,

    No, her crime was trying to run someone over. Seriously?

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Even if that were true, and it arguably wasn’t true, don’t you think that maybe the police escalated the situation to that point?

    Ilovethebomb ,

    Possibly, but it doesn’t change the fact she behaved poorly, to put it mildly.

    People here are making out like it is a cold blooded execution.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Killing someone for “behaving poorly” is a cold-blooded execution.

    bobman ,

    It is a cold-blooded execution.

    He got in front of the car, said get out, then shot her.

    Let’s be real. You know all of this and are just apologetic because you: love cops, hate shoplifting, hate black people, or any combination of the three.

    You’re not mature or genuine enough to admit it. And I don’t hold you above that behavior.

    bobman ,

    Why did the cop get in front of her car?

    Did you notice she turned the wheel as much as possible to specifically avoid hitting the cop that walked in front of her car and pulled a gun out?

    Lord_McAlister , in Bodycam: Pregnant woman accused of shoplifting shot by police

    So some neckbeard republicans are going to come out and say “She should have just complied”, but honestly what is the absolute worst scinerio if she WAS shop-lifting? In what world is it not a better option to just get her FUCKING CAR’S license-plate number, track her to her house, then arrest her there when she’s clearly cornered? Or just boot her car when it’s found again and force her to come to you to get it off?

    Because now you’ve killed a woman and her unborn baby over some God damn groceries.

    sab ,

    The headline "Pregnant lady caught shoplifting groceries; arrested" would already be telling of a society that has gone far over the edge.

    MelodiousFunk ,
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    In this timeline, the edge is so far gone that it's faded into myth.

    KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX ,
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    I thought it was alcohol?

    mrnotoriousman ,

    Unsurprisingly you have downvotes too.

    sndmn ,

    If this is a jurisdiction that says embryos are people then that cop executed a completely innocent person.

    PP_BOY_ ,
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    Shhh… don’t point out their own hypocrisy

    Cethin ,

    That would require logical consistency. I would never accuse a republican of such a thing.

    Compactor9679 ,

    Is nit that she shop lifted, is that she tried to run over the officer

    Wookie ,
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    “Yes, sir, officer sir! How many licks?”

    Compactor9679 ,

    How many items you took aithout paying?

    Chetzemoka , (edited )

    I thought it wasn't about her shoplifting? Make up your mind.

    Oh, I'm sorry. It's not about any of that, is it? It's just about whatever you need to excuse a government agent murdering an American citizen without a proper trial by jury.

    Do us all a favor and never pretend you respect the United States Constitution ever again.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    When did that become a death sentence without a judge and jury?

    Cethin ,

    If she was trying to run him over, she did a really shitty job. The cop put himself in front of the vehicle and she turned her steering wheel the wrong direction and didn’t slam the accelerator. I think if anything the cop was trying to be run over, not the other way around.

    Compactor9679 ,

    Its not about “doing a good job” or not. She had the intent. Its all it takes for an officer or even a person to defend themselfs

    Lord_McAlister ,

    You’re not getting it. He wasn’t trying to defend himself, he was intentionally putting himself in a place of danger to justify murder in the name of defense.

    Compactor9679 ,

    Amazing how cops are put in that position. Putting yourself intentionally in a place of danger to do your job. We have to thank every single one of them

    Lord_McAlister ,

    How’s that boot taste?

    Cethin ,

    She clearly did not have intent. The cop just placed himself in front of the car. If he wasn’t there she still would have driven forward. She didn’t drive forward because he was there. It wasn’t intent to run him over, it was intent to flee. The cop had intent to be in the cars path though.

    ieatpillowtags ,

    She clearly didn’t try to run him over though, so what’s it really about?

    Compactor9679 ,

    She does not have to.

    EndlessApollo ,

    You can clearly see her turn the wheel away from the officer, and she doesn’t slam on the gas, she just accelerates at a normal speed. Not that that matters to you, you just love jacking off to pigs murdering people and don’t want to question for one second how shoplifting and resisting arrest is supposed to justify murder

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  • SaltySalamander ,
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    She should have complied for sure, but non-compliance shouldn't mean execution by firing squad.

    Chetzemoka ,

    Sorry, I'm just gonna repeat that for the folks in the back...

    NONCOMPLIANCE SHOULDN'T MEAN EXECUTION BY FIRING SQUAD

    snooggums ,
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    Probably thought they were going to kill her anyway, since cops be doing that on the regular.

    Cethin ,

    I pretty sure she drove her car into a wall because she was bleeding to death. I don’t think that was really a decision.

    tryingtimes ,

    she should have just complied,

    I’m surprised there isn’t an automod bot to filter out cliche comments exactly like this

    danc4498 ,

    Same exact neck beard republican bitching is bitching about the injustice of arresting the good boys for Jan 6th.

    KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX ,
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    The argument will be that she was trying to use her car as a deadly weapon because she accelerated into an officer standing in front of the car.

    frunch ,

    Which falls apart when you watch the cops body cam footage and see that never even happened

    Ilovethebomb ,

    Or, you could deal with the issue when and where it arises? Seriously, some of the commenters here are trying to rewrite history.

    She drove at a police officer dude.

    Lord_McAlister ,

    She drove away from a police officer who intentionally stepped out in front of the car.

    Also that’s some grade a level hypocrisy right there.

    30mag ,

    I agree that she shouldn’t have been shot.

    In what world is it not a better option to just get her FUCKING CAR’S license-plate number,

    She was driving a car without license plates, which is unusual.

    Young got into a four-door Lexus sedan that did not have a license plate and was illegally parked in a handicapped spot, Belford said.

    www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/…/70680484007/

    sixCats ,

    Okay but at that point shoot the tyres??

    Katana314 ,

    What I want to do is make a satirical video game about complying perfectly with a police officer’s requests, and show just how hard it is.

    Throw in mixups where the player might be confronted by armed criminals, just to make sure players instill themselves with a sense of self-preservation.

    30mag ,

    What I want to do is make a satirical video game about complying perfectly with a police officer’s requests, and show just how hard it is.

    Do you really need to?

    zqwzzle , in Bodycam: Pregnant woman accused of shoplifting shot by police
    Kyrgizion ,

    Is there a /c/jesuschristlemmy yet? This would be a worthy starter post.

    tryingtimes ,

    Gotchu fam: !jesuschristlemmy

    Buffaloaf ,

    What the fuck is wrong with you

    Wolf_359 ,

    I actually think this a decent piece of left-leaning humor, if a bit dark.

    It makes light of an awful thing that happened (the shooting) and then links it to another awful thing that’s happening (abortion bans in America).

    It kind of highlights the absurdity of it all.

    It’s like jokes about racism. Decent people know that the jokes are mocking racist people and showing the absurdity, while racists just laugh at the racism part because they don’t get it.

    gregorum ,

    It’s still disgusting and in terrible taste

    Cabrio ,

    Dark humour is like food, not everybody gets it.

    BluJay320 ,
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    God damn

    sab ,

    While the meme is in bad taste by my standards, I guess it's still not in the same league as forcing women to carry babies and then shooting them dead when they're trying to feed them.

    Maybe shock value is needed at this point.

    Buffaloaf ,

    I get dark humor, but it actually needs to be funny to work. This is just a low effort, over used meme about something horrible.

    zqwzzle ,

    Far less than whatever is happening in the post.

    SaltySalamander ,
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    What the fuck is wrong with your sense of humor?

    cowpowered , in Bodycam: Pregnant woman accused of shoplifting shot by police

    The hell is wrong with this country. Shoplifting is not violent crime. If they flee put out an arrest warrant and they’ll turn up later, in a lot more trouble.

    Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone who attempts to escape. It’s totally unnecessary pointless murder.

    OutlierBlue ,

    It’s totally unnecessary pointless murder.

    It’s an execution. Someone accused of a crime doesn’t get a trial or a chance to defend themselves. Someone with a gun makes a decision to end their life on the spot.

    Boddhisatva ,

    Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone who attempts to escape.

    Not to mention, standing in front of a car driven by a POC who has every reason to expect the cops to shoot them anyway. That person is already frightened and likely panicked and not thinking clearly. Putting yourself in front of a car with a panicked driver who is justifiably in fear for their life is incredibly stupid.

    Also, what is with cops just repeating the same command over and over again and refusing to otherwise interact with the person. Are they trying to make the situation worse? Why not try and de-escalate the situation. Oh, that's right, they want a reason to shoot people.

    snooggums ,
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    Are they trying to make the situation worse?

    Yes, because it lets them use lethal force like the jack booted thugs they want to be.

    experbia ,
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    Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone

    This "technique" has been demonstrated enough that frankly, I think that any rational person would conclude that in any situation where a cop walks in front of your car, you're better off just gunning it before the cop has a chance to extrajudicially execute you first. If they walk in front of your car, it's clear they're just itching to murder you. The threat has been made, you should fear for your life. It's you or them.

    awwwyissss ,

    I think that any rational person would conclude that in any situation where a cop walks in front of your car, you’re better off just gunning it before the cop has a chance to extrajudicially execute you first.

    Who upvotes this crap? This is worse than reddit.

    monad ,

    Yeah it didn’t take long, every thread is filled with this bullshit

    JustZ ,
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    Debate it.

    Running from police in a high crime area used to be considered probable cause.

    That’s changing now because running from police in a high crime area is an eminently reasonable thing to do even if you’re innocent.

    If the tactic is demonstrably employed as a pretextual justification to kill nonviolent criminal suspects, than it’s reasonable to say that statutory law of resisting arrest should be the thing that breaks, not the natural law of self defense.

    awwwyissss ,

    You want me to debate against someone saying you should floor it any time police walk in front of your car??

    BluJay320 ,
    @BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Nah. If a pig wants to kill me, I’m doing my damndest to make sure it comes with me

    awwwyissss ,

    If you floor it and run into a cop just because they walk in front of your car, you deserve to get shot because the cop would be defending themselves.

    BluJay320 ,
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    If dude’s aiming a gun at my face cause of some groceries?? He deserves what he gets.

    Maybe try de-escalating instead of over-escalating. In NO situation should a suspected shoplifting end in a murder.

    If she tried to run, guess what? They can literally just track her down and move to arrest when lives aren’t in danger.

    He unnecessarily and intentionally put himself in harm’s way, in an intense situation with a terrified suspect. He knew what he was doing.

    Fuck off with your tyrant apologia bullshit.

    awwwyissss ,

    You’re a violent moron.

    SaltySalamander ,
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    Holy fucking irony.

    awwwyissss ,

    Where have I advocated violence or said something moronic?

    BluJay320 ,
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    Supporting cops

    ieatpillowtags ,

    “ you deserve to get shot”

    Are those not your words?

    TimoBRL ,

    Now you shouldn’t be using his own words against him. That just makes him look like an idiot.

    awwwyissss ,

    If someone tries to run someone over on order to get away with stealing, they deserve to get shot. I’m not advocating violence.

    candybrie ,

    It isn’t to get away with shoplifting. It’s to avoid being executed without even a trial over shoplifting. They’re going to try to kill you no matter what you do in that scenario; might as well try to get out with your life.

    Let me put in a scenario you might understand. Mobsters are regularly jumping in front of cars, shooting the person driving, and then stealing the car. A mobster jumps in front of your car and points a gun at your head. What do you do?

    BluJay320 ,
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    Oh, oof, owwie

    tryingtimes ,

    Why do you all care so much if you’re upvoted or not?

    jimbo ,

    I can’t think of any other reason for a cop to place himself in front of a car. It’s dangerous and it’s not going to stop a car. It really only can be to provide an excuse for deadly force.

    awwwyissss ,

    So every time a cop steps in front of someone’s car they’re planning on executing them…

    JustZ ,
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    That’s not unreasonable. Maybe under Montana common law argument would work.

    hoi_polloi ,

    That’s what happens when your cops aren’t trained in de-escalation.

    30mag ,

    It’s not about the crime, it’s about control.

    Kirkkh ,

    Police have killed over 250 women since 2015.

    bobman ,

    Also keep in mind, businesses usually have insurance against theft.

    SocialMediaRefugee , (edited ) in 4-Year-Old Fatally Shot By Woman Who Was Teaching Her 'Firearm Safety,' Authorities Say

    It is too easy to get a driver’s license in the US and sure is hell way too easy to get a gun. Some people can’t be trusted with a toothbrush.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod , in Remote work is harder to come by as companies push for return to office
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    Good luck assholes, I'm never going back into an office

    MyFairJulia , in 4-Year-Old Fatally Shot By Woman Who Was Teaching Her 'Firearm Safety,' Authorities Say
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    Ironic…

    Xariphon , in 'Trump isn't funding any of us': Co-defendants in Georgia case are struggling with mounting legal bills

    He's probably not even paying his own lawyers, so...

    stupidillusion ,
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    I think he’s been forced to pay them up front.

    Xariphon ,

    Would a lawyer stupid enough to take Trump as a client be smart enough to demand payment up front? I wonder.

    Pat12 , in 4-Year-Old Fatally Shot By Woman Who Was Teaching Her 'Firearm Safety,' Authorities Say

    According to a Tennessee Bureau of Investigation arrest warrant obtained by HuffPost, Runions told police that she had taken a 9 mm handgun out of its case, removed the magazine and called Evangaline over to “show her firearm safety.” Runions pressed the barrel of the gun against the child’s chest and pulled the trigger, police said she told them. Daniels told police that she saw Runions take out the gun, remove its magazine and put it to Evangaline’s chest, but she turned away and didn’t see her pull the trigger, according to the warrant. The 7-year-old girl told authorities that she saw Runions shoot Evangaline and said the bullet struck a glass bottle, sending shards her way, according to the warrant.

    wtf

    xc2215x , in After nearly 30 years, Pennsylvania will end state funding for anti-abortion counseling centers

    Glad it will be the end.

    ALilOff , in It seems like everyone has Covid-19. Here’s why this wave is probably worse than official data suggests

    Completely off topic,

    But wild to me that I know exactly where that Walgreens is. Surprised there ain’t a drunk stumbling in that photo.

    DietBajaBlast ,

    Bs

    FlyingSquid ,
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    That they know where that Walgreens is or that there’s a drunk stumbling around outside that Walgreens? Because I totally buy the latter.

    Cracks_InTheWalls , in 4-Year-Old Fatally Shot By Woman Who Was Teaching Her 'Firearm Safety,' Authorities Say
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    Was gonna come in here to say “The first rule of gun safety is your gun is always loaded, even if you cleared it and the safety is on, so barrels don’t get pointed at anything you don’t want to die”.

    This still applies here, but the situation had nothing to do with teaching a kid. Now that kid is dead. So fucked…

    SocialMediaRefugee ,

    WTF

    That is like teaching fire safety by pouring gasoline on someone and waving a lit match.

    RedAggroBest ,

    There is no lesson. Just a sociopath murdering a child.

    I hate headlines like this that use quotes that diminish how serious it is. How can a journalist,in good faith, write what they did about the incident, things like putting the gun against her chest, and then still have a headline like that. You just know a bunch of people are just going to read the headline and think it’s another accident when this had far more malice.

    Kirkkh , in Fatal shooting of University of South Carolina student who tried to enter wrong home 'justifiable,' police say

    I love how “self” defense extends to whatever people want it to mean. “Self” yeah, meaning they were on the planet I currently reside on.

    reverendsteveii ,

    In this case dude tried to kick the door in, then he broke a window, reached in and started trying to unlock the door. What would you have done?

    TSG_Asmodeus ,
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    What would you have done?

    Not shot someone.

    reverendsteveii ,

    That’s an easy position to take when the house he’s breaking into doesn’t contain your children.

    TSG_Asmodeus ,
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    Again, my first response is never going to be shooting someone, ever.

    In Canada, where I live, that would be a crime.

    LarryTheMatador ,

    Why is someone elses kids in his house.

    random65837 ,

    Absolute bullshit and you know it!

    havokdj ,

    Bud you are full of shit.

    I hate saying that because you have the marathon symbol and I love old school bungie with a passion, but if someone tries to kick your door down and break your window, if you are not scared for your life then you are just as drunk as he is.

    TSG_Asmodeus ,
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    At no point would I think “I should murder this guy.”

    In fact I have had three break-ins, and I managed to not kill anyone each time.

    GentlemanLoser ,

    Do you think the homeowner said “I want to murder this guy”?

    Get off it dude, you’re being a silly goose

    havokdj ,

    Nor did I say you should murder the guy.

    When you have someone unresponsive breaking into your house, you have no idea what their intentions are.

    infyrin ,
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    Not fucking kill them, for sure. Dude, there’s other places of the body you could’ve shot at to make your point. Least of all, study the human body some to at least know where the parts that aren’t vital that you can shoot to, that’ll at least send the bastard to the hospital to be treated.

    If a gun is not available, find the nearest hard object and just beat that fucker’s body down until they’re down on the ground.

    There is no need to be killing to be involved. When you kill someone over this, you’re in the wrong, by default.

    Sexy_Legs ,

    Guns are a lethal weapon, there are no safe places to shoot someone outside of a video game.

    Steak ,

    I choose to be shot in the pinky toe then

    LarryTheMatador ,

    Better than a shot to the anus star, thats for sure

    infyrin ,
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    Yes there is, but I can make all of you look stupid if I took even five minutes to research what I’m talking about.

    random65837 ,

    Not fucking kill them, for sure. Dude, there’s other places of the body you could’ve shot at to make your point. Least of all, study the human body some to at least know where the parts that aren’t vital that you can shoot to, that’ll at least send the bastard to the hospital to be treated.

    Spoken like only a person that’s never been in a possible life or death situation and that has undergone zero self defense or tactical training.

    USSEthernet ,

    Yup, lot of video game playing, “I would have done x instead”, captain hindsight people in here. You NEVER point a gun at something you don’t intend to kill.

    random65837 ,

    Remember the dream of this place possibly not being infected by the likes of Reddit? Why can’t dreams ever come true…

    infyrin ,
    @infyrin@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes because everyone’s natural instinct is to just jump infront of the vehicle as it is moving…

    random65837 ,

    No, it doesn’t mean “they were on the planet” it’s because in every way he broke into that home and you’re damn right YOU would have feared for your life in that situation. Don’t insult yourself by pretending otherwise.

    GentlemanLoser ,

    Dude I’m with you. There’s a ton of shitty gun owner stories but this isn’t really one of them.

    He wasn’t just “oh excuse me, wrong house” - he broke the window trying to unlatch the door. Pretty sure if I had a I bat I would have broken his arm, if I had I knife I would have stabbed him. Not saying shooting is necessarily a proportionate response but anyone who says they wouldn’t be scared shitless is a liar.

    johnlsullivan2 , in Manhunt underway for 'extremely dangerous' escaped murderer in Pennsylvania

    5’ 120lbs? Guessing he’s hiding out in the sixth grade

    librechad , in New York police will use drones to monitor backyard parties this weekend, spurring privacy concerns

    This would be against the 4th amendment. We don’t need law enforcement peeking into our yards.

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