The proposal would require the most common-sized electric water heaters to achieve efficiency gains with heat pump technology and gas-fired water heaters to achieve efficiency gains through condensing technology.
The electric one is a pretty big design change.
Interesting what industry says on it:
A group including water heater maker Rheem, environmental group Natural Resources Defense Council and efficiency and consumer advocacy organizations issued a joint statement welcoming the new standards.
Tankless water heater maker Rinnai (5947.T), however, said the proposed standards for its products were “technologically impossible” and would reduce consumer choice.
PS if you want to reduce your hot water usage, turn off the shower while you’re soaping. I’ve got my shower down to like 1 minute of running water. Wash clothes on cold.
Heat pump water heaters already exist, but I think they're pretty expensive compared to gas/resistive heat.
I wouldn't be surprised if electric tankless water heaters are indeed infeasible under this mandate. Heat pumps generally aren't powerful, and tankless heaters require enormous amounts of power while in use.
Heat pump water heaters are pretty standard in large parts of the world. They are a bit expensive to install, but with today’s electric prices, they pay off quite fast.
When it’s on. When you aren’t using it, it draws zero. I’ve had a tankless electric for 8 years, and my power usage hasn’t changed much either up or down.
Storage water heaters can also capture off peak or curtailed energy (acting as 6-12kWh of diurnal storage), so they are more than 3x better in terms of emissions.
I have no stake in this game, but I think you’re exaggerating.
First, not everything in OP’s post history is negative. There are actually a few very positive stories in there.
Second, the community is called news, not good news. And unfortunately, bad news travel faster and reach further than good news.
And finally, I’ve come across most of those headlines while scrolling around my feed, which means that the news community would be quite dead (Edit:) which means the news community would be less active if it weren’t for the contributions of OP. Help tip the balance, then!
Edit: I re-checked and there are other active contributors in the news community, so I take back my “community being dead otherwise” comment.
There are actually a few very positive stories in there.
An exception does not make the rule. It only strengthens it.
And unfortunately, bad news travel faster and reach further than good news.
This is no excuse to look for gems like the one we’re discussing under, and bring them to public attention. People die everywhere, each day. It’s a harsh truth and it won’t change. But it does not mean that everyone’s feed should be polluted by all those cherrypicked murders, kidnappings, abuse, violation that concerns people whose we didn’t know just a moment ago.
…and whose pain and suffering still resonates with our own emotions.
Help tip the balance, then!
I do. By not joining the parade of misery and directing my efforts at less toxic communities. And also by stigmatizing the toxic behavior as wrong.
An exception does not make the rule. It only strengthens it.
We’re not talking about rules here.
This is no excuse to look for gems like the one we’re discussing under
OP is interested in those topics and he’s posting them. I don’t think there is malice in their intentions. Like I said, OP also posts good news. If there was ill-intention, then all of the posts would be “misery,” and you may have a point. But that’s not the case.
I’m actually daring to say that pieces like this one would bring awareness to the risk of getting a brain eating amoeba infection under certain circumstances.
I do. By not joining the parade of misery and directing my efforts at less toxic communities.
And yet you’re commenting here ¯_(ツ)_/¯ . And no, that’s not participating by posting the news you want to see, and just whining in the comments, is not helping.
What this user advocates for is Blissful Ignorance. They’d rather rather bury their head in the sand; and if that’s the case, then they either (a) should contribute to such threads with the sort of news they expect, or (b) unsubscribe and seek out places such as UpliftingNews.
Anything less than these options and the person is a essentially a spoiled choosy beggar in my view who spreads just as much if not more negativity in their comments as they allege from OP’s submission.
The user acts and quacks like a troll — or at least someone so imperceptibly-off that they lack a moment’s introspection to see that blissful ignorance invokes FAR more misery in this world than what he suggests.
Lol yep. I live around here and there are a lot of hot springs. This is actually important news - keep us aware and safe. Donno what that poster is smoking…
He ripped you apart for the use of proverb/appeal to authority. You need to know your fallacies if you’re gonna argue. An early game mistake, but you gotta roll with the punches.
OP is interested in those topics and he’s posting them. I don’t think there is malice in their intentions. Like I said, OP also posts good news. If there was ill-intention, then all of the posts would be “misery,” and you may have a point. But that’s not the case.
This is where you could have clarified your argument. Something to the effect of “I’m not trying to make the claim that OP was being actively malicious. I’m saying that he was adding to the greater misery of all people by posting negative news that has no effect on anybody outside the family it happened to.” Remember to never use the phrase “I didn’t say” it sounds whiny and people hate it.
Personally I’d add a paragraph here where I’d go off into a short diatribe about the 24 hour news cycle being accelerated by the internet. But that’s a stylistic choice.
Again your final paragraph has conviction, which is good. But, this time you refered to an earlier argument which hurt you. You can reference the earlier paragraph, but he just claimed it didn’t hold water and your response was “yes it does”.
Consider instead: “As I said before “short quote from before”. I don’t believe that engaging with things I disagree with perpetuates them. Though, if you have a more effective way of speaking out about it, I’d love to hear it.”*
For proper logic you want the formal fallacy list, for better arguing you want the informal list.
*Note: “I’d love to hear it” is a great way to end a part of the argument but it must (a) be specified with which part of the argument you’re talking about and (b) be something beyond repute. It’s a very helpful tool, but used carelessly, it will cut your hand.
Hey, this is gonna come off mean, but I’m really hoping some of it will rub off and you’ll take something to heart.
You initial point wasn’t terrible. This next post lost anybody that may agree with you. Proverbs and quotes don’t win arguments, they come off as appeals to authority.
In your next paragraph you need to give some room so you don’t come off as unwilling to agree on anything. "I see where your coming from, but “this thing” rubs me the wrong way. “Explanation of why”. In contrast, if what they just said really doesn’t make sense to you: “I honestly can’t understand how you feel that way given that…”
Either way, this is also where you need to present your evidence.
Your final paragraph is great. You have conviction in your stance on the argument. Great way to end a first reply where you haven’t been convinced of anything.
Pretty sure this is mostly hyperbole. It’s more about allowing a 16 year to drop off a beer at a table, than letting them be alone behind a bar for last call.
Why is this shitty country song being targeted by the news? There are so many other country songs with lyrics like this, and there are plenty even more troubling. Sick of seeing this headline. We’re giving attention to something that doesn’t deserve it, and it sucks.
Because it’s recent and CMT took action. Nothing new here.
I’m a liberal redneck, got a country list on Spotify.
“Country Boy Can Survive”, strikes a chord with me, not hellishly racist. I get it.
I like “Song of the South”, I feel much of it, but the name itself is a dog whistle. If you listen to the words, well, things got better with FDR? 🤷🏻♂️ Make of it what you will.
“Indian Outlaw” is catchy, zero hate, could even be called positive. (Not by me.) Seems damned offensive to a Native American. Done with that one.
“Try That in a Small Town” is kinda OK, on its own. I get the sentiment. We small town folks take care of ourselves. Because we have to. OTOH, the video and backdrop, Jesus Fucking Christ, he might as well have said kill invading n****rs.
Anyway, different songs from different times. Now is not the time to release shit like this and try to claim… Whatever the fuck he came out with. I’m exhausted.
EDIT: LOL my God. The song and video were worse than I remembered. Song isn’t even catchy, even with the video off, it’s just dreck. And change that from “kill invading n****rs” to “kill all libs/woke/whatever”.
This country lib is armed, for whatever that’s worth.
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